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edited June 2012 in PvP Gameplay
What can we do to combat those in the PVP community who accuse people of exploiting, cheating, etc etc without any proof? When you confront them, they type "lol" and put you on ignore.

That isn't the biggest issue. It becomes worse when these accusers start to "coach" other new pvpers in their ways including their bitterness, resentment and just as bad as dilithium farmers, warping out before a match even starts because they believe their ship cannot be killed unless the opponent is cheating.

All this is doing is breaking up the PVP community.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Start sucking terribly bad at PvP so that no one believes you're using any exploits?

    That's the only thing you can really do. You can't prove that you're not using exploits, or that there are no exploits. And you can't post existing exploits on the forums either (and if you did, it would just be more evidence pointing against you). You can't win this one.

    Mustrum "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" Ridcully
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I don't think there's really anything you CAN do, at the end of the day there is no third party to find out the truth. Cryptic can't have people doing that and leaving it to a fleet would be less then impartial. It's one persons word against another, and as the guy calling HAX!!!1 is usually an idiot anyway I don't really see the need to try and find a way to solve said problem.

    I've never seen anyone in the PVP community with any standing call out another for cheating, it's only ever newer players that go down that road, and as most of them get bored and go back to STFs I don't see any concern lol.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Your already doing it man. I'm really happy with what you guys are doing with the cubs. Teaching newcomers and not being elitists (in general) is how you combat it. Ppl that have fragile egos will always make excuses and like ppl will gravitate to those ppl. Ppl willing to learn from those with more experience will naturally gravitate to groups like the panda cubs and learn that it has nothing to do with hax, but instead a better understanding of the game.

    You can't change or win an argument against the them, so just keep working with the ones that ARE willing to learn. Haters are always gonna hate!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Grief them
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    It's hard to educate or just talk to those of the general who /tell you with insults, nonsense and cheat accusations. Time and again you try to explain things and they still b****, so ignoring them is pretty much the best thing to do. Rules say if you get trolled, don't troll back. One of the main reasons why I turn /tell off prior to pvp rounds.

    But I will suggest them to head to a dedicated pvp fleet to learn.
    That isn't the biggest issue. It becomes worse when these accusers start to "coach" other new pvpers in their ways including their bitterness, resentment and just as bad as dilithium farmers, warping out before a match even starts because they believe their ship cannot be killed unless the opponent is cheating.

    Agreed. There are a lot of them, but you know, this is a MMORPG. It's part of the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Simple. Just explain how you do it. Works fine for me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    you can't

    some of these people are in the game just for this reason. to troll and grief by chat.

    When I get accused of cheating, I just report whoever accused me. IMO, being wrongly accused of cheating constitutes severe verbal abuse. My dream is that the whiner will one day get a mail from Cryptic with a warning. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    There was one guy who accused me of cheating by using cannon rapid fire while on cooldown... Despite the fact my DHC/turret equipped T3 K'tinga didn't even have cannon rapid fire (2x tact team). No matter how hard and patiently I tried to explain it, pointing out it didn't appear in my buff bar, he just kept on accusing me.

    Now with some, explanations do help ease the "misunderstanding". Some though just can't accept the truth, that they don't know half as much as they think they do.

    These types have enough knowledge that they can beat new PvPers easily, but not enough to deal with PvP addicts, generally relying on gimmicks such as FAWescorts or P2W consoles. They also tend to have anger management issues, be the rudest and those most likely to smack talk and insult other players.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    naz1911 wrote: »
    What can we do to combat those in the PVP community who accuse people of exploiting, cheating, etc etc without any proof? When you confront them, they type "lol" and put you on ignore.

    That isn't the biggest issue. It becomes worse when these accusers start to "coach" other new pvpers in their ways including their bitterness, resentment and just as bad as dilithium farmers, warping out before a match even starts because they believe their ship cannot be killed unless the opponent is cheating.

    All this is doing is breaking up the PVP community.

    This happens in every gamee mate


    And if they start coaching ,, it just means a better war and some flame p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    naz1911 wrote: »
    What can we do to combat those in the PVP community who accuse people of exploiting, cheating, etc etc without any proof? When you confront them, they type "lol" and put you on ignore.

    That isn't the biggest issue. It becomes worse when these accusers start to "coach" other new pvpers in their ways including their bitterness, resentment and just as bad as dilithium farmers, warping out before a match even starts because they believe their ship cannot be killed unless the opponent is cheating.

    All this is doing is breaking up the PVP community.

    While not much you can do don't think it matter much seeing how the pvp vets know the truth and that’s all that counts. I have people on my cheat list and have the proof, but I aint calling them out cause the bug is fixed. Plus IDK anyhow what may have happened in the past its not relevant in the game now and NAZ i don't think I have ever heard anything about you abusing any bugs in game. So why worrier all of us know what you do is accomplished by skill you have learned through experience.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    sophlogimo wrote:
    Simple. Just explain how you do it. Works fine for me.
    I do that and even offer to coach people 1 on 1 on how I do it and they don't listen/learn. I mean, one guy I know swears up and down that using Tachyon Harmonic and Medical Tricorder back to back is the most broken exploit in the game. When I linked him my Borg kit he still accused me of cheating.

    There's nothing you can do but repeatedly smash those people into oblivion with your "exploits" until they learn a thing or two.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    sophlogimo wrote:
    Simple. Just explain how you do it. Works fine for me.

    You can't - I know "ymmv" but most of the time, you can't.

    Not to forget that the people who complain are the same ones who have been flying stuff like facemelting escorts, zombie tanking cruisers and/or been users of TRUE ridiculous bugs/exploits or items that were simply gamebreaking.

    I am referring to such like that jem hadar shields bug - I actually forgot what it was exactly, but like a few months ago, when it would heal for ridiculous amounts of HP and even produce lag if you shoot on them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    It is hard when you are willing to help new players, and all you get instead are accusations of hacking or cheating of some form.

    Can't say I have ever really been accused of it.

    At least if I have it hasn't been to my err.. face? :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    sophlogimo wrote:
    Simple. Just explain how you do it. Works fine for me.

    Sometimes, you can't. I didn't experience it often, but I did. People calling me some lame cheater, and I try to send them a tell explaining my tactic or build, and just getting the message back: "The user is ignoring you" or something like that.

    I'd say these are trolls, ultimately, and there is no chance engaging them on any sensible level.

    Others, you can help. And you see it happening already, so I don't think there is much more that can be done. Or needs to be done, really.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    It is hard when you are willing to help new players, and all you get instead are accusations of hacking or cheating of some form.

    Can't say I have ever really been accused of it.

    At least if I have it hasn't been to my err.. face? :p

    Frankly it comes down to what type of ship you play imo, escort that melt you in 3seconds and, cruisers that never die is more "cheaters" then a really wellplayed well I usually see you in a carrier and everyone know that the carrier can be really tanky.. Im just saying :)

    To explain all the nuances of how a good pvp match work to a new player is impossible we in TSI have played for 2 years some of ous and we get cheat accusations left and right even from really established players who sometimes even beat us. Once or twice or a few times cheat accusations can feel abit cool you go like "I got called cheater, I must be doing something right" but then it comes to a few guys or fleets and you get called cheater it feels lame, either they don't know any better or trolling.

    Don't mistake me I sometime call out someone a hacker when loosing a game in OPVP but that is more of a joke.

    Anyway Im too tired of defending TSI or us as a group, you either play us or not.

    I guess we could do some live commentary from like a game-play video where I explain decisions and that type of stuff but sometimes I just activate butts because its off cool-down and sometimes its because I need to have that power at that second. Even Starcraft2 who is a major spectator e-sport and almost everything/builds are explained and such people get accused of cheating when playing on the battle.net and there you can watch the replay afterwards and see exactly what he was doing and why you lost like a million times.. I guess its a sort of defense mechanism people employ when they feel they get owned in anything really but mostly games they don't see their own flaws in the game-play and just lash out with bad manner on their opponents.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    This topic clearly demonstrates why I advocate low tier PvP and the ability for high tier players to drop down in their low level ships to help train the new guys.

    If you spend 50 levels not knowing what you are doing, and not knowing you don't know, when you finally meet a player who is just so much better that you have the proverbial snowball's chance of survival, anger is your natural reaction.

    If instead at level 10 someone comes in to say, "Hey, look at your skill tree. These are important, but be sure to save points for later skills too."
    Then at level 20 someone says, "See how these two BOff abilities work together? Combos make a difference."
    Then at level 30 another guy says, "Hey! Nobody taught you to distribute shields? Okay, keybinds and shield heal abilities will save your ...ship..."
    And at level 40 a player says, "Teamwork and communication make even a marginal player more effective. Here's how you can do it."

    By the time the player gets to level 50 he will know there's no magic wand. He will have the basics of the game down, will have played many games against his peers instead of against the top players in the game, and he will be ready to listen to the advice of his teammates and able to learn from the lessons demonstrated by his enemies in the matches. His first reaction won't be, "You haxxorz!" but, "How can I do that?"

    Humans learn one piece at a time and add layers of new knowledge on top of that already acquired. The current game structure requires he learn a great many details and their various interactions all at once. Given the current formula, it's no wonder so many get angry, make baseless accusations to excuse their lack of ability to compete, and log out of PvP forever. It's almost designed to accomplish exactly that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    sophlogimo wrote:
    Simple. Just explain how you do it. Works fine for me.

    I tried doing that a few times... gave detailed descriptions of my build and my binds, and attached pictures even. Then, an hour later I got a hateful pm, accusing me of sharing everything except my hax... :p

    For some people, all the advice in the world won't help. They may have issues with their fingers, coordination issues, or no experience whatsover, but they are refusing to acknowledge this and all the advice in the world can not help them.
    Alendiak wrote:
    These types have enough knowledge that they can beat new PvPers easily, but not enough to deal with PvP addicts

    much truth in this statement... the ability to judge their own performance is weak in many players.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Its not my so called "Gaming honour" i'm worried about. Its more for new PVP'ers joining and being bread the wrong information from the get go.

    Just had a thought. I wonder if those said people's bases will survive post Season 6 once it has direct links with PVP...... ;) Oh the thought....lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    ive seen 4 carriers and one BoP attacking a fed fleet escort we gave up after 10min cus his health never dropped and sheilds never dropped and the whole time he sat there calling people noobs etc. until expolits that people are using are fixed pvp will suck.

    im sure this will get a few people saying hes just good player, bull no one can take all that and not lose a sheild or hp.

    i asked him how to use exploits but he never replyed
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    MadDog0000 wrote:
    ive seen 4 carriers and one BoP attacking a fed fleet escort we gave up after 10min cus his health never dropped and sheilds never dropped and the whole time he sat there calling people noobs etc. until expolits that people are using are fixed pvp will suck.

    im sure this will get a few people saying hes just good player, bull no one can take all that and not lose a sheild or hp.

    i asked him how to use exploits but he never replyed

    The Sad Panda Cubs are there to help teach you both how to do this and how to defeat this. Please look them up in game on the the Sad Panda Cub Channel. Enter what's inside the parenthesis into your chatbar:(/channel_join Sad Panda Cubs)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    MadDog0000 wrote:
    ive seen 4 carriers and one BoP attacking a fed fleet escort we gave up after 10min cus his health never dropped and sheilds never dropped and the whole time he sat there calling people noobs etc. until expolits that people are using are fixed pvp will suck.

    im sure this will get a few people saying hes just good player, bull no one can take all that and not lose a sheild or hp.

    i asked him how to use exploits but he never replyed

    well... I've seen some carrier builds out there whos damage couldn't compete with my shields inate regeneration...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    well... I've seen some carrier builds out there whos damage couldn't compete with my shields inate regeneration...

    Exactly, and the same goes for some people no matter what ship they fly. Anyone can shoot at a target but that doesn't necessarily mean they can do it well. Just because you unloaded with all that you had that doesn't mean you had enough. Just because someone can't be killed as easily as you doesn't mean they are cheating.

    Asking someone how they exploit isn't the same as asking somehow how they did something. Accusing people who may very well be better than you isn't generally the best way to get off or the right foot.

    Ask me a question and I'll answer to the best of my albeit limited ability. If you cuss me and have me on ignore before I can even respond that's your loss. Go on being angry at the world and at the game for all it's injustice. I hate to say it but some people won't be helped.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Alendiak wrote:
    There was one guy who accused me of cheating by using cannon rapid fire while on cooldown... Despite the fact my DHC/turret equipped T3 K'tinga didn't even have cannon rapid fire (2x tact team). No matter how hard and patiently I tried to explain it, pointing out it didn't appear in my buff bar, he just kept on accusing me.

    Now with some, explanations do help ease the "misunderstanding". Some though just can't accept the truth, that they don't know half as much as they think they do.

    These types have enough knowledge that they can beat new PvPers easily, but not enough to deal with PvP addicts, generally relying on gimmicks such as FAWescorts or P2W consoles. They also tend to have anger management issues, be the rudest and those most likely to smack talk and insult other players.

    At least you're being accused with a given reason, i get accusations without any elaboration lol :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    At least you're being accused with a given reason, i get accusations without any elaboration lol :p

    heres some elaboration. your an admitted double shield user, and the only player to date who shows double log entries on private match join.

    whether there is merit to those points (whether it REMAINS possible to use double shields/voldemort) isnt the point. your name is sullied from your own actions and as a indirect result hurts anyone with a sad pandas name attached.

    simply put, the veteran players in sto know very well the difference between upstanding types who never TRIBBLE or even attemtped to, and those select few who (maybe not all the time) but definitely 100% without a doubt have explored/exploited all avenues of gameplay.

    (see ceiling cat disapproves thread (ancient times) for expose' on zorena's(tsi) moment of haxcellence)


    So when something is known to be buggy or broken, there simply is no excuse to use it, let alone make a team strategy to abuse said bug. there have been sad timesi n this games history, where the best players have resorted to said actions to "amuse themselves" or "highlight the broken powers to cryptic"

    neither past time is good for the game.

    in fact as we have seen, these actions dont improve the game by telling cryptic whats broken, they simply push players out, who refuse to deal with truly broken/bugged powers being used on them "for a laugh"

    the most important thing to rememebr is whats actually happening at this exact moment. to say sad pandas, or mt tie, (or tsi) has ever done anything in a legit game with agreed upon rules, in a desire to purely "hax" to win, is a complete unsubstantiated untruth.

    but those who remember history will not quickly forget. and when the next game breaking bug surfaces, we will be looking to thew same sorts, to abuse and exploit it.

    sad to say but thats the REAL history of hax. sorry naz, just the way it is

    in every lie there is an ounce of truth. there would be no smoke if there was never a fire.....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    MadDog0000 wrote:
    ive seen 4 carriers and one BoP attacking a fed fleet escort we gave up after 10min cus his health never dropped and sheilds never dropped and the whole time he sat there calling people noobs etc. until expolits that people are using are fixed pvp will suck.

    im sure this will get a few people saying hes just good player, bull no one can take all that and not lose a sheild or hp.

    i asked him how to use exploits but he never replyed

    "take all that" means nothing.

    no one and i do mean NO ONE in the game can survive my alpha strike without a proper defensive buff solution. i see guys like you describe all the time, respawning after beign one shot killed.

    not to say he wasnt cheatign anyway, but you can only cheat SO HARD. and no can cheat away 250k raw damage in 1 second.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    EmoeJoe wrote:
    heres some elaboration. your an admitted double shield user, and the only player to date who shows double log entries on private match join.

    whether there is merit to those points (whether it REMAINS possible to use double shields/voldemort) isnt the point. your name is sullied from your own actions and as a indirect result hurts anyone with a sad pandas name attached.

    simply put, the veteran players in sto know very well the difference between upstanding types who never TRIBBLE or even attemtped to, and those select few who (maybe not all the time) but definitely 100% without a doubt have explored/exploited all avenues of gameplay.

    (see ceiling cat disapproves thread (ancient times) for expose' on zorena's(tsi) moment of haxcellence)


    So when something is known to be buggy or broken, there simply is no excuse to use it, let alone make a team strategy to abuse said bug. there have been sad timesi n this games history, where the best players have resorted to said actions to "amuse themselves" or "highlight the broken powers to cryptic"

    neither past time is good for the game.

    in fact as we have seen, these actions dont improve the game by telling cryptic whats broken, they simply push players out, who refuse to deal with truly broken/bugged powers being used on them "for a laugh"

    the most important thing to rememebr is whats actually happening at this exact moment. to say sad pandas, or mt tie, (or tsi) has ever done anything in a legit game with agreed upon rules, in a desire to purely "hax" to win, is a complete unsubstantiated untruth.

    but those who remember history will not quickly forget. and when the next game breaking bug surfaces, we will be looking to thew same sorts, to abuse and exploit it.

    sad to say but thats the REAL history of hax. sorry naz, just the way it is

    in every lie there is an ounce of truth. there would be no smoke if there was never a fire.....


    So does that mean if i scatter volley accuse like some people do, at least 1 will be haxing there by justifying the accusation without any proof?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    EmoeJoe wrote:
    heres some elaboration. your an admitted double shield user, and the only player to date who shows double log entries on private match join.

    whether there is merit to those points (whether it REMAINS possible to use double shields/voldemort) isnt the point. your name is sullied from your own actions and as a indirect result hurts anyone with a sad pandas name attached.

    simply put, the veteran players in sto know very well the difference between upstanding types who never TRIBBLE or even attemtped to, and those select few who (maybe not all the time) but definitely 100% without a doubt have explored/exploited all avenues of gameplay.

    (see ceiling cat disapproves thread (ancient times) for expose' on zorena's(tsi) moment of haxcellence)


    So when something is known to be buggy or broken, there simply is no excuse to use it, let alone make a team strategy to abuse said bug. there have been sad timesi n this games history, where the best players have resorted to said actions to "amuse themselves" or "highlight the broken powers to cryptic"

    neither past time is good for the game.

    in fact as we have seen, these actions dont improve the game by telling cryptic whats broken, they simply push players out, who refuse to deal with truly broken/bugged powers being used on them "for a laugh"

    the most important thing to rememebr is whats actually happening at this exact moment. to say sad pandas, or mt tie, (or tsi) has ever done anything in a legit game with agreed upon rules, in a desire to purely "hax" to win, is a complete unsubstantiated untruth.

    but those who remember history will not quickly forget. and when the next game breaking bug surfaces, we will be looking to thew same sorts, to abuse and exploit it.

    sad to say but thats the REAL history of hax. sorry naz, just the way it is

    in every lie there is an ounce of truth. there would be no smoke if there was never a fire.....


    Um, i was talkinga bout recent accusations which hold no basis. I've already admited dozens of times I used the double shield once :)

    If people wanna keep dragging up this one time incident thats fine with me bro. Ive already accepted it that there will always be people like that. I'm a forgiving person myself, others are not. So be it. I wouldnt sleep a night less from it, and i will happily queue up day in, day out and im having fun doing so.


    We should focus on whats going on now, on the task at hand.

    EmoeJoe wrote:
    "take all that" means nothing.
    no one and i do mean NO ONE in the game can survive my alpha strike without a proper defensive buff solution.
    .

    A bit off topic, but unless ur facing a TRIBBLE escort I'm pretty sure this goes for alot of good escort players in game. Against u one preferably needs a good timed APO etc, against others you need more heals, etc. Against me you also need alot of good heals. Against dagger for instance u need a well specced Stealth detection, a good APB and FOMM specced or it might take longer then uthink to get him ;)
    Fact of the matter is, every build needs a specific set of things in order to survive it.

    Cya buddy.

    Have fun chnking the logs ;)

    Yours,

    MT
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I do agree that most " Cheating" claims come from lack of knowledge in how some one did something to kill some one else. Or how some one survived an Alpha Strike that they shouldn't have.

    If there are still Bugs, glitches, or exploits in the game they are still very quiet subjects, even in Organized PVP. At least concerning Space. And Ground, for me, feels so under used that it could be LOADED wth bugs, exploits, and glitches. :rolleyes:

    Of course when ever there is something new added to the game, it's impossible for them to perdict exactly what effect that will have under EVERY situation plasuable. Favorite J-man Quote during STOked when the Jem'hadar shields came out. "Hunh.. I never really considered Doff interactions with the brace for impact effect.." Mistakes happen. The only thing we can PRAY for is that those mistakes get fixed fast. Because we know those things can hurt PVP Game play. And some times PVE as well depending on the impact of such an effect.

    And while we can't control every new bug, old or new, that will hinder our PVP Experience, we should at least make sure that the proper information and reporting techniques are used to help get that information to the right locations when ever possible. Even if it comes down to blaitent Youtube proof of such things. With my favorite being the old and squashed Tac Buffs boosting darn near everything peroid.. where the youtube video shows one player activate Full tac buffs + Feed back pulse 3, and kill 3 people fireing on him.. and SURVIVING.. :D (And this was a down right slaughtering, not the usual Feedback pulse behavior)

    So with all that being said, even though we typically have to Police our selves, where do we draw the line between who is truelly Exploiting, and who is just that darn good in PVP? How do we tell? We know we don't really have the tools that we wish we had.. such as better information from Examining our Opponents, better Combat Log Data, and clearer understanding out side of the game and the some times misleading tool tips, to be able to truelly 100% prove what is an Exploit, and what isn't.

    So with that all being said, there are only two more things I can say about this...

    1: It's a computer game and your facing players. So there will always eventually be some one better.
    2: If your going to PVP, never relax just because you think you know everything, because some one will always show you something new eventually. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Zorena wrote:
    Frankly it comes down to what type of ship you play imo, escort that melt you in 3seconds and, cruisers that never die is more "cheaters" then a really wellplayed well I usually see you in a carrier and everyone know that the carrier can be really tanky.. Im just saying :)

    To explain all the nuances of how a good pvp match work to a new player is impossible we in TSI have played for 2 years some of ous and we get cheat accusations left and right even from really established players who sometimes even beat us. Once or twice or a few times cheat accusations can feel abit cool you go like "I got called cheater, I must be doing something right" but then it comes to a few guys or fleets and you get called cheater it feels lame, either they don't know any better or trolling.

    Don't mistake me I sometime call out someone a hacker when loosing a game in OPVP but that is more of a joke.

    Anyway Im too tired of defending TSI or us as a group, you either play us or not.

    I guess we could do some live commentary from like a game-play video where I explain decisions and that type of stuff but sometimes I just activate butts because its off cool-down and sometimes its because I need to have that power at that second. Even Starcraft2 who is a major spectator e-sport and almost everything/builds are explained and such people get accused of cheating when playing on the battle.net and there you can watch the replay afterwards and see exactly what he was doing and why you lost like a million times.. I guess its a sort of defense mechanism people employ when they feel they get owned in anything really but mostly games they don't see their own flaws in the game-play and just lash out with bad manner on their opponents.

    It's an emotional defense mechanism to salvage wounded pride. You hit the nail on the head... This has been around for as long as we have existed and chances are most people will continue to do this at one point in their lives...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I'm just tossing this in.

    One of many cancers for STO pvp in general was the "(too) hard and (too) fast" factor, thankfully inspired by WoW - along with the magic healing TRIBBLE. That was never the case in Star Trek - only for Borg and a few other uber-species.

    STO could be a lot more interesting if it were slower, more strategic. Eve Online is nice example but with this being Star Trek, there should be more about shooting subsystems and such. You know, uboot style - not all has to be slow slow slow but just more about Star Trek, not Star Wars where things just blow up as soon as something looks at it.

    Back on topic.

    In terms of pvp, there just has to be a decent split between PUG vs PUG and Premade vs Premade; because in most of the confrontations, Premades always win vs PUG due to the obvious reasons that lead to the hate.
    Guild Wars 1 did a nice job there, imo.
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