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A Not To All Klingon Players

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited May 2012 in Ten Forward
The high number of Federation "diplomats" is ridiculous; lets be more pragmatic in the future. Seriously, did the Klingon player base forget that according to STO "THIS IS A TIME OF WAR"?

Realistically, Klingons would have been extremely selective in who they would grant diplomatic status to. Especially to an enemy. Yet we go through Klingon space and the neutral zone and see three or four times the number of Federation ships littering our space.

I know that there are fleets that in order to support their membership allow characters from both factions; I would ask that you place yourself in the character's boots for a moment. How long have you known this Federation Officer? How many battles has he/she fought by your side? What honor have they earned with your character?

IF the Federation character has fought well in multiple PvPs, Elite STFs, or accomplished something special for the Klingon Empire than I can accept that. HOWEVER, too many Federation players are jumping into zone chats asking for a privilege neither gained or earned.

I say it is time for the Klingon Empire's player base to stop looking at this game as some happy go lucky pic nic and start playing our characters as if it truly was a world of conflict. If everyone wanted to be buddies with everyone, we should be out on a field picking daisies.

It is time that the WARRIORS of the KLINGON EMPIRE start acting as such and stop this sillyiness. A warrior doesn't allow their enemy to dictate the field of battle or the strategy of battle.

We are allowing our enemy (the Federation) to invade our space with individuals branding a NO TOUCH status. WE are allowing their greater numbers to saturate OUR stronghold because intra-faction fleets want to be buddies. It is time we end this now.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    It's just a game...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    A not to all Kilngon players.

    You will get more missions soon.

    NOT!

    Snicker, snicker.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Dictating to others how to play the game? I think not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Not dictating.

    But seriously, you think Klingons would be so open to allowing EVERY Federation Officer into their territory during a time of war? Seriously.

    I understand it is a "status" and every player likes to think they are that one hero, but if there were only a dozen in game given that honor than it would mean something. Fleets and friends are just popping these out like candy to five year olds.... The purpose and honor of the title has been diluted.

    And it isn't like there are any real missions in those areas anyway, Maybe DOFFS but that is it.

    So, How many Klingon players have the freedom to fly though Federation space? I got my Fed Character up to lvl 50 and during the entire time I didn't see one Klingon vessel in any Federation areas.

    And as always, the Federation players respond defending their right to fly in space that are designated for Klingons, yet happy that Klingons don't flood their precious space.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I don't blame the OP for feeling like that. Last time I was able to play (January) it was ridiculous how many Feds were just sitting in Klingon space. In contrast, I'm pretty sure Klingon ships couldn't enter Sirius Sector at the time.

    Yeah, we all know it's "just a game." That's why people post opinions regarding their experiences and feelings about it. Honestly, the Klingon faction IMO is best when Klink players know and understand what it is to be Klingon, or (at the very least) be part of the Empire. In contrast, I didn't find it very fun to interact with Fed players who were trying to "Fed-ify" the Klingon side/played Klingon faction as if they were basically just feds with cloaks.

    But whatevah, people are gonna do what they want, hence the occasional chat pron RP at SF Acad and Drozana.

    :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Let me put it a little differently

    If everybody wants to be all friendly and touchy-feely. fine. Have the Devs finally make it 2410 the war is over and there are bigger badder things out there than each other.

    technically the game is set as if the Federation and Klingons are at War. War equals taking away the enemy's resources and not allowing the enemy to take yours.[/B
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Quatok wrote: »
    Let me put it a little differently

    If everybody wants to be all friendly and touchy-feely. fine. Have the Devs finally make it 2410 the war is over and there are bigger badder things out there than each other.

    technically the game is set as if the Federation and Klingons are at War. War equals taking away the enemy's resources and not allowing the enemy to take yours.[/B

    Allow me to point you to this thread http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=216095

    Think of a game where the players agree to end the war between the races and gear up with each other against the borg.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I don't blame the OP for feeling like that. Last time I was able to play (January) it was ridiculous how many Feds were just sitting in Klingon space. In contrast, I'm pretty sure Klingon ships couldn't enter Sirius Sector at the time.

    KDF have Marauding, works exactly the same ... they get in Sirius.

    Reason why we dont see many KDF ships in Sirius is for two reasons, its a much bigger sector and why bother? the only thing you get access in the "enemy" home sector is ... assignments, in fact the reason why there are many Fed ships in Omega Leonis is because they are DOFFing, also Sirius only have one cluster as Omega Leonis have 4.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    komotz wrote:
    Allow me to point you to this thread http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=216095

    Think of a game where the players agree to end the war between the races and gear up with each other against the borg.

    And Yet,

    1. The war between the Klingons and Federation continue.

    2. The differential between how many Federation players occupy Klingon space and the number of Klingons who occupy Federation space.

    3. Have the Romulan and Cardassian factions (Romulan, Remen, the Hunters, and new species) (Cardassians, Breen, Jem Hadar Alphas, and new species) become playable. Then have the Federation/Klingon alliance go to war with the Romulan/Cardassian alliance. But don't allow either allied alliances into enemy space under diplomatic conditions that is what neutral zones are for. Allow the players of each faction to experience the true atmosphere of their culture.

    4. I don't take that thread to heart. It is another Federation should be special and everyone should conform type of thread. I won't believe it until the devs change it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    f2pdrakron wrote:
    KDF have Marauding, works exactly the same ... they get in Sirius.

    Reason why we dont see many KDF ships in Sirius is for two reasons, its a much bigger sector and why bother? the only thing you get access in the "enemy" home sector is ... assignments, in fact the reason why there are many Fed ships in Omega Leonis is because they are DOFFing, also Sirius only have one cluster as Omega Leonis have 4.
    I'm sure the DOff junk could have been "reassigned" to a planet in Eta Eridani.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Or make Fed vessels in klingon space Targetable (but unable to attack until fired on)
    When destroyed they would respawn in earth space dock "Im sorry captain the refit is nay complete we can't leave for 3 days"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Let's see here.

    Feds can DOFF in Federation, Romulan, Cardassian and unclaimed sectors.

    For Klingons; we can DOFF in Romulan, Klingon, and unclaimed sectors. There may be, but I haven't found a way to Cardassian space other than paying 18000 ECs. not worth DOFFING.

    Feds don't need Klingon space to DOFF they pretty much have the entire map. Klingons don't.

    I wouldn't mind IF there was a way that these DOFFING vessels were cloaked to actual players, but they just pile up and fill the sector. It is silly. Also, if DOFFING is the only thing going on then the players aren't really playing they are just sitting there waiting for the DOFFS to finish their missions (don't mind this either)

    But in a time of war, they should be forced to park in a neutral zone/sector not in the enemy sector.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Quatok wrote: »
    For Klingons; we can DOFF in Romulan, Klingon, and unclaimed sectors. There may be, but I haven't found a way to Cardassian space other than paying 18000 ECs. not worth DOFFING.
    .

    Why do you have to pay to get there? Why don't you just fly there likely everyone else can?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    It's how the game is designed.

    It's an MMO. Everyone levels eventually to become a General, Admiral, or in fantasy games, even reach divinity status.

    Diplomatic privledges are granted as recognition for spending weeks or months grinding Diplomacy doff missions.

    Admiral status is granted as a reward for gaining 260+k skill points by whichever means.

    Don't bash the players, criticise game design. Games like these are best enjoyed with an open mind. Pretending "Admiral" doesn't exist is easy enough in lite roleplaying - everyone stops at Captain and the true Admirals are leaders of large fleets.

    With STO's level progression and ranks already neatly established, why not enjoy it as it is? I can get my infantry grunt or Colonial Viper pilot fix somewhere else.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Why do you have to pay to get there? Why don't you just fly there likely everyone else can?

    Because I don't have marauder status yet, I can't enter Sirius sector. Which leads to Cardassian space. If there is another way to get to DS9 without transwarping (which costs me 18000 ECs) than I know of no other way to get there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Quatok wrote: »
    Because I don't have marauder status yet, I can't enter Sirius sector. Which leads to Cardassian space. If there is another way to get to DS9 without transwarping (which costs me 18000 ECs) than I know of no other way to get there.

    The left side of Eta Eridani leads to Orellius. From there you can go to Beta Ursae.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    The left side of Eta Eridani leads to Orellius. From there you can go to Beta Ursae.

    And I believe that this is actually faster than coming in from Sirius.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I have both Fed and Klink toons. I will be extending courtesy to other players of both factions, and hope they will do the same for me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Guys, you're taking the thread too seriously. What Quatok is doing is trying to set an RP precedent. Yes this is a game and an MMO and each person has the right to play as they like. If he wants to challenge any Fed player that enters Klingon space than he can. Its up to the other person to respond. If he doesn't want to, then that's that!

    Don't let how someone else plays spoil your fun and i you don't like the way someone else plays, ignore them. In fact there is a button to that effect

    As a Klingon serving in Starfleet I would expect a Klingon to challenge me. If if there is a challenge to my honor it will be met by my blade!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Everyone can go everywhere, so I really don't see what your problem is? "THEY'RE IN MY SECTOR!!!!11" So? Get to Marauder rank 3 and you can go in their sector. If you want to go to Cardassian space, fly 'west' out of Eta Eridani, then 'south' from Orrelius, doable with a brand new character. Federation get colonization and lame diplomacy missions, Klingons shoot freighters for easy contraband (why klinks make such great dil farmers) and raid colonies for slave labor.

    And its not that people are granting diplomatic immunity that allows this invasion that seems to be bugging you. Anyone getting their diplomatic or marauder rating to 3 can go anywhere they want. The 'granting' ability just boosts warp speed with certain engines. If I'm reading you correctly (and my apologies if I'm not), that you're getting mad at your fellows for giving out permission too freely, when in fact no permission is required, just rank.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    ReginaMala wrote: »
    Everyone can go everywhere, so I really don't see what your problem is? "THEY'RE IN MY SECTOR!!!!11" So? Get to Marauder rank 3 and you can go in their sector. If you want to go to Cardassian space, fly 'west' out of Eta Eridani, then 'south' from Orrelius, doable with a brand new character. Federation get colonization and lame diplomacy missions, Klingons shoot freighters for easy contraband (why klinks make such great dil farmers) and raid colonies for slave labor.

    And its not that people are granting diplomatic immunity that allows this invasion that seems to be bugging you. Anyone getting their diplomatic or marauder rating to 3 can go anywhere they want. The 'granting' ability just boosts warp speed with certain engines. If I'm reading you correctly (and my apologies if I'm not), that you're getting mad at your fellows for giving out permission too freely, when in fact no permission is required, just rank.

    Being granted DI also allows you access into the sector, in addition to boosting sector speed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Yeah, but that permission is given by Feds, to Feds. Klingons don't approve their entry into Klingon space. (Which admittedly would make more sense. But then, we couldn't apply that logic in reverse to marauding, some Federation captain telling a nearby Klingon, "Here you go, the sensor grid's offline, go raid Risa.")

    So I fail to see what the OP is hoping to gain from his fellow Klingons. They have no control over the number of Feds in Klingon space in any way at all. As for us Feds, we're just really nice guys, granting Diplomatic Immunity to any and all ships in range. Or maybe we're with Cartwright, and deliberately sending morons into Klingon space to start ****, so we get more ships, more starbases, more fleets, and more posts for us to be promoted to. Fear the Federation Military-Diplomatic Complex!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Since this is not an open PVP game you can continue to expect fluffiness from both sides. I'm sure there are plenty who would pay to have big, bright, and embossed pony emblems on their ships. Just deal with it and enjoy the game for what it is and execute all Fed prisoners you take. ;-)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    twg042370 wrote:
    And I believe that this is actually faster than coming in from Sirius.

    Except when going through the 2800, since it's a straighter shot to go BU-Sirius-Regulus to get to 4028 rather than BU-Orellius-Eta E-Regulus.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I guess my general response is to point out that space is vast. Omega Leonis sector block is more vast all by itself than the map may suggest. I also note Federation starships parked with KDF starships in-orbit of Qo'noS or merely passing through, I don't assume their presence is necessarily on my tailgate.

    I do roleplay in a cross-faction story. However, not all my KDF character's are part of that. Sometimes I think it's fun to stalk a passing Federation ship. Or to park nose-to-nose with them. Ala Kirk and Kruge in Star Trek III. It's just for kicks and giggles. Most don't notice as they are in chat somewhere or focused upon the Doff UI.

    I would also thank those player's from either faction who randomly share Diplomatic Immunity. I get surprised every once in a while. And sometimes change my plans for that hour, by taking advantage of the freedom to explore further.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I'd like to point out that Diplomatic Immunity seems to only grant access to the sector block, and nothing else within it.

    At least, from my own experimentation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    i dont know whats the sense of DI anyway.. there is nothing to do in klingon space at all (sadly, that counts for KDF too.. what a boring space)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Since this is not an open PVP game you can continue to expect fluffiness from both sides. I'm sure there are plenty who would pay to have big, bright, and embossed pony emblems on their ships. Just deal with it and enjoy the game for what it is and execute all Fed prisoners you take. ;-)

    Executing Fed prisoners is a nice source of dilithium. Except for Ferengi. Their unscrupulous nature makes them useful. Always have to get that daily maraud in (Carmenara :P).
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