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Proposed Design for a T5+1 Battlecruiser

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edited October 2012 in Klingon Discussion
QIb'etlh (Shadow Sword)
While he Bortasq flagship project draw all the attention from the
forces in the quadrant, Klingon Intelligence designed their own
new battle cruiser to cover and surgical strike missions.
The new QIb'etlh Battle cruiser utilizes the newest developments in technology
from the allied races in the Klingon empire. Of note are the newly
developed engine system and the under slung long range particle
accelerator sniper gun with variable energy matrix.

Qlb'etlh Battlecruiser
(To the Devs, if you want to use this design, drop me a note and we can talk)


Keeping in the same spirit of providing a different variant for each
class, this ship is also available in 3 variants,
Tactical Strike Cruiser, Engineering Battle cruiser, Science Infiltrator
Cruiser.
Each version comes with a special universal console that can
only be used with this ship type. Equipping all three consoles on a
single ship grants a set bonus.

In addition each ship provides a hull material unlock, usable with this
ship type.

1) standard green Klingon hull materials and yellow glow effects.
(Orion inspired)
2) dark armored look with greenish glows and trails
(Nausicaan inspired)
3) Smooth matte black (think Jem Hadar shield hull material
look, minus the purple parts) with tetryon blue glow and engine trails.
(Maybe thats the coloring Lethan ships use?)

A New modern bridge style would be very nice, but i think we could live
without it for the time being.

Bridge Officer Stations (Note: The number indicates the number of skills the station offers)
Tactical Variant
Tac LT Com 3
Eng Com 4
Eng Lt Com 3
Sci Lt 2

Engineering Variant
Tac LT 2
Ens 1
Eng Com 4
Eng LT Com 3
Sci LT 2

Science Variant
Tac LT 2
Eng LT Com 3
Eng LT Com 3
Sci Com 4

Note: I think the lt com tac station on the tactical variant is
important, kdf players wanted a cruiser type class ship with such
station for a long time. This alone will generate some sales.

Hull 40000
Crew 1000
Impulse Modifier 0.17
Turnrate 10
Shield Modifier 1.05 Tac, 1.05 Eng, 1.25 Sci
Inertia 40
Devices 4

Cloaking Device,
The installed cloaking device is special, it can draw power from a
fully charged particle accelerator to enable battle clock when used so.
Draining the charge of the particle accelerator down to 0 again.
Battleclock ability gets unlocked automatically when the charge of the
particle accelerator hits 120, power icon enable.

Note: Stats are raised in general slightly to reflect the more modern
design and technology of the ship. The science variant has no special
science powers, but gets instead the full science ship shield modifier.

Power Bonus
Tac
+10 weapons, +10 Engine
Eng
+5 Weapons, +5 Engines, +5 Shield, +5 Aux
Sci
+5 Shield, +5 Engine, +10 Aux

Console Layout
Tactical Engineering Science
Eng 3 4 3
Sci 3 3 4
Tac 4 3 3

Tactical Console
- Particle Accelerator Sniper Gun
This console activates the spinal mounted particle accelerator beam
weapon system the ship is construed around. Equipping the console
activate a 5th forward facing weapon slot in which a dual beam bank can
be slotted. The slotted weapon determines the base damage, energy type
and other bonuses the particle accelerator utilizes. Firing the
accelerator costs 120 energy. It can be fired once per 60 seconds and
recharges at a rate of 1 per second. Yes that means it can be fired
after 60 seconds at 60 energy drain or any point thereafter up to having
0 energy drain at 120 seconds. Extended range of 15km for the main
accelerator shot. Firing effect similar to the M.A.C.O. rifle. Firing
the accelerator acts as Beam Overload 3 with a firing arc of 25 degrees.

Note: The reason for this strange arrangement is to allow players
flexibility in what energy type weapons they want to use. Instead of
pretty much forcing them into the standard type of a disruptor for a
Klingon vessel. Since the vessel is pretty much constructed around this
gun, it is its primary focus of abilities. I believe that the high fire
rate is balanced by the fact that the charge of the particle
accelerator can also be used for the battle cloak which in return
would increase the time before the gun be fired again, to up to 4
minutes between two fully charged blasts.

Engineering Console
- Gravimetric Engine booster
This console augments all impulse engines to operate like hyper impulse
engines in regard to energy efficiency plus providing a +2 turn rate
bonus to the base statistics of the ship, as well as a 10 bonus to
inertia.
Note: The idea here is to bolster the vessels ability to make
actual use of its ability to use dual cannons with their limited firing
arcs at the cost of a console slot.

Science Console
- Warp Field Geometry Control Circuit
This console provides the ship it is equipped the ability to make fine
grained adjustments to its sub light warp field bubble. Granting it the
ability to break all snares and holds upon activation and during the
activation time. Similar to Attack Pattern Omega, minus the attack
buffs. The effect lasts 10 seconds and is modified by the driver coil
skill for duration. Cooldown of 2 minutes.
Note: Here is the idea to provide the ship some defense against holds,
enabling it to reach its firing position more easily, something a
cruiser, especially a tactical cruiser is notorious bad at.

Set Bonus
- Warp Field Harmonics

Equipping more then one console from this ship class grants additional
bonuses, a +3 warp speed in sector space when 2 consoles are equipped.
And for using all 3 consoles a +10 defense bonus in normal space is
granted.
Note: Here i think the effect will fit the theme of the ship
design without going overboard, but providing a useful set bonus that
will make players want to use all 3 consoles.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    You put lots of work in to this and it's no where nearly as overpowered as Fed +1 concepts. Also love the 3D design.

    I like the idea of a Sniping Cruiser it's Unique and interesting, but using the Flagship 3 variant design concept isn't a good idea because I don't think they will be doing that again for awhile. I think a lot of us just want a more Tactical Cruiser like the Excelsior the Feds have. Since we have the Eng, & Sci focused ones already even if it's an Orion design.

    How about focusing it on filling the Cruiser we're missing, a High Tactical Cruiser like the Excelsior, but with Superior Klingon Design. Also I don't think a Carrier BOFF layout will fly.

    BOFFs
    Eng, 4 & 2
    Tac 3
    Sci 2
    Uni 1

    I'm willing to fold the Universal into Engineering.

    Bump the turn to 11, and sorry to say but your particle variable attack idea while awesome may be beyond the limits of the game engine and you'll have to settle for the 2 min cooldown. Battle cloak is also just not going to happen on a cruiser. As for special abilities, the Main gun will probably rule out consoles.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I like it as well, though I would think in light of its special abilities that a BOff set-up like this would be fair.

    LTC - tactical (3)
    Commander - engineer (4)
    LT - engineer (2)
    LT - science
    Ensign - tactical

    and make it the first KDF battle Cruiser with a LTC tactical slot (outside of the BortasQu') and if that is too OP of a BOff lay-out then drop the ensign slot and run with just four BOffs.

    heck, give it a retro D-7 skin option and I would be as happy as a targ in dirt.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    The KDF needs more ships like this, awsome, daunting and like a shadow :cool: would be nice to see the Devs use your design
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Nice and interesting design!!

    /mode sarcasm ON

    What happened with US :mad: ... US (the Gorn are important species in the Klingon Empire) have a good technology and ideas!!!! take some of us too!!! :D

    /mode OFF

    I hope too that the devs take your model... only one question: Why only Engineering variant have 5 Boff?? the other variant not need the 5??

    Good Luck, Good Work
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    As a Fed, I'd like to blow it up... :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Great Work!

    I think this is the only ship build idea that had my attention enough to read it all lol

    Very well thought out, and nicely done. Not crazy OP like some ideas I have heard
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I'd buy it just for the looks. The idea about a rival to the Excelsior is a good one.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Nice work! Would love to see it ingame!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I got to say I am really liking this design and set up. I would buy it in a split second if it came to the C-Store! The consoles have really good use. I've been wanting a kdf ship that rivals the excelsior.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Interesting design, I don't understand some of the new Klingon ships though. They look far too smooth and clean in their design. Shouldn't Klingon ships be more about firepower? The B'Rel and K'Tinga are fairly chunky with pipes sticking out the side etc. Since when did the Klingons start looking at the aesthetics of a ship? :P

    I don't want that to sound like I'm putting down your work or anything it looks really good :).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Here is an interesting request for the feds, T5 escort

    Maybe the Battle Cruiser idea needs to go higher on BOff slots for the QIb'etlh (Shadow Sword)
    since the fed idea above has a 7 BOff arraingement, near Cruiser hull and escort turn rates?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Roach wrote: »
    Here is an interesting request for the feds, T5 escort

    Maybe the Battle Cruiser idea needs to go higher on BOff slots for the QIb'etlh (Shadow Sword)
    since the fed idea above has a 7 BOff arraingement, near Cruiser hull and escort turn rates?

    No, it does not. the linked idea is out of line with the amount of boff skill slots with all other ships in game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Idali wrote:
    No, it does not. the linked idea is out of line with the amount of boff skill slots with all other ships in game.

    True, but I thought it might be of interest to see what some think is balanced in comparison to what others think is balanced.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Come on Roach, when have feds ever considered balance in there requests.

    Somebody posted an escort design based off a Shatner TNG era story. The Ship was a Defiant class with a black paint job.

    His Proposal was 6 weapons fore, 6 aft, more hull than an Oddy, More shields than the best Sci ships and some stupid number of BOFFs. Oh and it had Battle cloak and a super weapon.

    Feds don't consider balance or fairness in ship designs just raw unadulterated advantage.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Come on Roach, when have feds ever considered balance in there requests.

    Somebody posted an escort design based off a Shatner TNG era story. The Ship was a Defiant class with a black paint job.

    His Proposal was 6 weapons fore, 6 aft, more hull than an Oddy, More shields than the best Sci ships and some stupid number of BOFFs. Oh and it had Battle cloak and a super weapon.

    Feds don't consider balance or fairness in ship designs just raw unadulterated advantage.

    Here's another funny one for you then to enjoy
    Tin Man
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Roach wrote: »
    Here's another funny one for you then to enjoy
    Tin Man

    :confused: omg... i cant believe that design!!! :confused: ... maybe he forgot 2 thing... stealth and power weapon!!! :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    tarsudo wrote:
    :confused: omg... i cant believe that design!!! :confused: ... maybe he forgot 2 thing... stealth and power weapon!!! :D

    Its a fan rep of a favorite ship from the Episode Tin Man/TNG.
    Like most fan recreations, its far beyond anything curently ingame.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    really great job!
    BUT
    this ship is not totally in the klingon spirit: color is not the good one and this ship is too clean for a klingon one.
    And we all know that CBS is watching us and don t want that the game got to far from the serie spirit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    In the last few years I have played the game, I've stuck to Fed due to the Klinks lack of good ships and PVE missions but in all honesty, if this ship was in the game as a T5, I would abandon my fed characters to level up a Klingon just to use it. Great job! I think the Dev team should take a serious look at ships designed by players.

    What would really be cool is if STO came out with a foundry type thing but its sole purpose was for ship design.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    xAlvarax wrote:
    really great job!
    BUT
    this ship is not totally in the klingon spirit: color is not the good one and this ship is too clean for a klingon one.
    And we all know that CBS is watching us and don t want that the game got to far from the serie spirit.

    You know, klingon ship colors are a funny thing. The old tos stuff where mostly gray with the nacelles having slight green glows. Qo'nus one was slightly rust colored. Only with tng we got the mostly green look wth the red glow. Just ignore the color scheme, Cryptic has its own textures for kdf ships they would use.

    Updated the model some, cleanup, more details:

    Update

    And a very simple flyby anim:

    Flyby anim
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Maybe it represents the change in Hull Materials.

    BoPs are Green because that material masks energy signals better. (Just roll with it)

    The D7's where grey because that material was toughter but less stealthier and they didn't use hit and run like the B'Rel.

    The Teal of the Vor'Cha is a compromise between the two.

    I know that I can select all three materials on my ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Some color scheme for the traditionalists:

    green/red
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Not bad lookin, but I don't like the idea of the Bortasqu' type console bonus. Would have to be one hell of a ship with some really cool consoles for me to want to purchase it.

    Me and I'm sure a lot of other people didn't buy it because 4k is steep...especially since the consoles aren't anything special and don't give a lot. (To be honest if they left the 1.0 turn rate instead of nerfing it I just might have purchased the set when I had the money.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Idali wrote:
    Some color scheme for the traditionalists:

    green/red

    Looks realy realy beatiful. Only critic is that the wings looks a little bit too wide. The design could be slightly more compact. You could also try to but the inner warp nacelles to the top as an alternate design.

    Keep going on! :-)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    It looks like the Romulan Mogai Escort and the Vor'Kang had a love child that neither wants to speak of again.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I personally like it. Let me get that out first. BUT. It does remind me of the Mogai Escort. Other than that, nicely done.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    That's certainly one of the best looking fan designs I've seen. And hey, if Cryptic can get in touch with Mark Rademaker to possibly use his designs... you never know. If a dev sees it and likes it, there's always a chance.

    Either way, thank you for all the time, thought, and effort you clearly put into this design. I, for one, love it. Great work!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Saw your signature and notice you used the same name as my Qib'elth. I proposed this to Cryptic a year ago as a future K'Tinga and purposely had the Bat'elth in mind when designing her.


    Design-wise, your Qib'elth is a good design, but to me it's not Klingon. It's too alien. Too bad Cryptic won't buy our designs due to legalities. :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    She needs more Inertia my friend.

    Give it a 60 (or 70. which ever the Excelsior has)

    Also a 12 turn rate would be nice too.

    I wouldn't mind this ship replacing the Vorcha's role by any means :)

    I want this ship so bad though, that my wanting shouldn't be legal in several states.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Awesome, just awesome.

    Love the design, The Vor'Kang is one of my favourite ships atm and your design, while similar, is different enough to be clearly a different ship and it fits in with the current design philosophy of ship designs (in game that is). Dont see any probs with the darker hull colouring, to me it fits in with the back story of 'designed by Klingon Intelligence' and to be honest with a KHG shield equipped it would look very dark anyway.

    Liking the sniper role too, inventive idea and nothing in game that has it atm.

    Pretty sure I would lay down cash for this as a 3 pack as described in OP or a single ship if a pack wasnt available.

    Great work Idali, I really hope Cryptic takes the whole idea and implements it.
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