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the utopia planitia interior is really for deep space nine

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edited April 2012 in Ten Forward
Good news Tumerboy

The new utopia planitia interior you made is really the new deep space nine interior just check out the link:D

http://img2.imagesbn.com/images/166790000/166799534.JPG
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    ewwww. . . why?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Tumerboy wrote: »
    ewwww. . . why?

    Exactly my thoughts why replace that beautiful station they already have there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Exactly my thoughts why replace that beautiful station they already have there.

    perhaps someone blew it up in an earlier books?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Perhaps it's not a replacement for Deep Space Nine but a new facility, like Bajoran Fleet Yards.

    Look at Earth in-game - there are a couple of starbases around.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    perhaps someone blew it up in an earlier books?

    Those books shouldnt affect STO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    TBH, I can't really imagine that Starfleet would have kept what we know as DS9.
    • Bajor is part of the federation
    • DS9 is a Mining station
    • DS9 is weak and tactically poorly designed
    • Starfleet uses specific configurations.

    That particular station IS ugly indeed, but I can imagine a Mushroom-type station being established in place of the Nor-style station.

    It does feel like Bajor is not yet a part of the federation, based on the "Of Bajor" mission... The bajorans there act as if they weren't a part of the Federation anyways... Wich is odd really.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    anazonda wrote: »
    TBH, I can't really imagine that Starfleet would have kept what we know as DS9.
    • Bajor is part of the federation
    • DS9 is a Mining station
    • DS9 is weak and tactically poorly designed
    • Starfleet uses specific configurations.

    That particular station IS ugly indeed, but I can imagine a Mushroom-type station being established in place of the Nor-style station.

    It does feel like Bajor is not yet a part of the federation, based on the "Of Bajor" mission... The bajorans there act as if they weren't a part of the Federation anyways... Wich is odd really.

    I dont get how you can dislike DS9 and really it seems DS9 did pretty well against many enemies. No Station can survive against a fleet really. There is no need to replace DS9
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Those books shouldnt affect STO.

    i never said they should. just pondered why the book has what seems like a new station.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    considering all the upgrades starfleet, and o'brian specifically no doubt, did to that station, it only looks like a cardasian station, a majority of the critical tech is surely starfleet's best. and it was hilariously over armed in preparation for the dominian war, it needed to be because a fleet could appear on their doorstep at a moments notice thanks to the wormhole. its way to over invested to just scrap.

    anyone read those? did ds9 get blasted? i never liked what i heard about the story line of those books.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Maybe this station is on the far (Gamma) side of the wormhole? The Excelsior class shown is coming out of it instead of going in... perhaps it would be a good idea to have station placed their for repairs/defense.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    anazonda wrote: »
    TBH, I can't really imagine that Starfleet would have kept what we know as DS9.
    • Bajor is part of the federation
    • DS9 is a Mining station
    • DS9 is weak and tactically poorly designed
    • Starfleet uses specific configurations.

    It does feel like Bajor is not yet a part of the federation, based on the "Of Bajor" mission... The bajorans there act as if they weren't a part of the Federation anyways... Which is odd really.
    I agree with the snippets above.

    Deep Space 9 wasn't based upon Federation designs. After the Dominion war in season seven, also following the confrontation with the Klingons, the logical course of action would be to redesign the station. During their battle with the Dominion, the Klingons took over several of the planets in the Cardassian system. Even though the Dominion war had ended, the Klingons still maintained control over those planets. If the Federation left Deep Space 9 in the condition it was, they would not be prepared for a future confrontation with the Dominion and Klingons.

    Technically, "Star Trek: Online's" old school version of the station would not exist, for it's design is based upon an obsolete set of technological specs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Salamandus wrote: »
    Maybe this station is on the far (Gamma) side of the wormhole? The Excelsior class shown is coming out of it instead of going in... perhaps it would be a good idea to have station placed their for repairs/defense.

    That's exactly what I was thinking. It's just a good idea all around to put a base on both sides of the wormhole. Better facilities, better communications, a presence beyond the occasional ship...

    I would love for STO to put one in as well, although I would prefer something more like the former ESD model.

    Edit: although the Amazon summary mentions "disastrous events in the Bajoran system"...

    Edit 2: It sppears there's another book being released in May that comes before the one we're talking about, and it has regular DS9 on the cover: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Night
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    I dont get how you can dislike DS9 and really it seems DS9 did pretty well against many enemies. No Station can survive against a fleet really. There is no need to replace DS9

    You mean apart from the fact that it is about as pretty as my mother-in-law? (wich is not at all)

    I take it you did not pay attention when the shields were breached within 5 minutes of attack from relatively small assaults from the Klingons and the Dominion?

    ESD survived a Breen attack that appearently lasted rather long


    Apart from the fact that it is not a Federation station type, wich more than once has brought troubble in getting spare parts, and it is still a MINING STATION... not a forward operations center.

    The only reason the station is cardassian in the series, is because Bajor is not a part of the federation, and that the bajorans had the POS station already hanging around orbit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    For all we know, that could be a new Fed Starbase on the Gamma Quadrant side of the Wormhole. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Or it's some clever ploy to sell books! :eek:
    Number 7 is the culprit here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    lay-out- would be great for a new fleet Star Base hub.
    Set in line with the Star Base 157 lay-out , we could see this as the modular command deck
    the hanger deck/bay control room near it
    157 Detention area
    and Star Base 114's cargo bay areas
    Star Base K-7s Medical bay and Commander Wildmans Admiral's office
    and 23rd Century Drozana.. as perfect pre-existing resources.for the Trek made beautiful.initiative..

    Add.in a few captured Romulan Outpost and the old First city map..WA'LA
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    anazonda wrote: »
    The only reason the station is cardassian in the series, is because Bajor is not a part of the federation, and that the bajorans had the POS station already hanging around orbit.
    I cannot remember. Did the Bajorans join the Federation at the end of the series?

    Also, many people probably do not remember, but... "Star Trek: The Next Generation" introduced the Bajorans as a bunch of activist outcasts. Ensign Ro Laren's background was used to introduce us to the species. Around this point in Bajoran history, the Federation believed that the Bajorans were radical extremists.

    Deep Space 9 is a symbol of Cardassian dominance over the Bajorans. After the peace treaty was signed with the Dominion, the Federation would most likely redesign the station to move beyond the past. Since it sits between Bajor and the wormhole, leaving the station as a mining facility would also be counter productive. its design is a security risk.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    anazonda wrote: »
    You mean apart from the fact that it is about as pretty as my mother-in-law? (wich is not at all)

    I take it you did not pay attention when the shields were breached within 5 minutes of attack from relatively small assaults from the Klingons and the Dominion?

    ESD survived a Breen attack that appearently lasted rather long


    Apart from the fact that it is not a Federation station type, wich more than once has brought troubble in getting spare parts, and it is still a MINING STATION... not a forward operations center.

    The only reason the station is cardassian in the series, is because Bajor is not a part of the federation, and that the bajorans had the POS station already hanging around orbit.

    Deep Space Nine is my all time favorite Trek Station.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    perhaps someone blew it up in an earlier books?

    Dunno the book before it hasn't been released yet could be that it was blown up or it could be on the other side.

    It wasn't written by David Mack and he is normally the one to blow things up :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Those books shouldnt affect STO.

    the books are completely different then the game at this point read the three destiny books to find out why )i don't want to spoil it for anyone)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    linyive wrote:
    I cannot remember. Did the Bajorans join the Federation at the end of the series?

    Also, many people probably do not remember, but... "Star Trek: The Next Generation" introduced the Bajorans as a bunch of activist outcasts. Ensign Ro Laren's background was used to introduce us to the species. Around this point in Bajoran history, the Federation believed that the Bajorans were radical extremists.

    Deep Space 9 is a symbol of Cardassian dominance over the Bajorans. After the peace treaty was signed with the Dominion, the Federation would most likely redesign the station to move beyond the past. Since it sits between Bajor and the wormhole, leaving the station as a mining facility would also be counter productive. its design is a security risk.

    No, they did not. But STO storywise they did not long ago.

    Good observations on the rest.


    Deep Space Nine is my all time favorite Trek Station.

    Don't get me wrong... I loved DS9... was the best series IMO...

    But realisticly, there is no reason why a cardassian mining station would serve as a tactically important station, with Bajor being a part of the federation
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    anazonda wrote: »
    TBH, I can't really imagine that Starfleet would have kept what we know as DS9.
    • Bajor is part of the federation
    • DS9 is a Mining station
    • DS9 is weak and tactically poorly designed
    • Starfleet uses specific configurations.

    .

    And yet they still use K7 as a major base of operation in the game :rolleyes:

    Any Klingons looking for a target to blow up??
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Felderburg wrote: »

    Edit 2: It sppears there's another book being released in May that comes before the one we're talking about, and it has regular DS9 on the cover: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Night

    The two books are being released close together the cover with DS9 is in May and the one that i posted is in June
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    McCooey wrote: »
    And yet they still use K7 as a major base of operation in the game :rolleyes:

    Any Klingons looking for a target to blow up??
    Its because "Star Trek: Online" is not canon. All the "Star Trek" elements and story lines are just a homage to the originals.

    Where the hell was that massive Earth Spacedock during "First Contact"? Lol... If you wanted the best defense against the Borg, the Earth Spacedock would be the best tool for the job.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Exactly my thoughts why replace that beautiful station they already have there.

    Because its an outdated too small obsolete hunk of junk. That the Terrok Nor station is still in use instead of being replaced by a much larger modern star base, especially at such a important point as the wormhole, is clearly fan service over realism. Not that I personally have a problem with keeping it there for fanservice, but for all the time they spent complaining about how old and obsolete DS9 was, and how much even during the series that its traffic increased due to the wormhole, not replacing it with a larger spacedock after Bajor's admittance to the Federation was always fairly silly.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    linyive wrote:
    Its because "Star Trek: Online" is not canon. All the "Star Trek" elements and story lines are just a homage to the originals.

    Its soft canon which is a sort of canon I suppose :D realistically its as cannon as the prime universe it ever going to get (apart from the books) with the JJverse taking centre stage now.

    I know it makes as much sence using K7 as LT's flying around in NX class starships but it doesn't mean i wouldn't mind if it was Q'ed like the game's original ESD
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    anazonda wrote: »
    I take it you did not pay attention when the shields were breached within 5 minutes of attack from relatively small assaults from the Klingons and the Dominion?

    First of all, you call an assault composed of 30-40+ ships "small?"

    And regarding shields, DS9 was a series that almost seemed to dispense with shielding in many of the battles, if it moved the plot. ;)
    anazonda wrote: »
    But realisticly, there is no reason why a cardassian mining station would serve as a tactically important station, with Bajor being a part of the federation

    It is an historic landmark, for lack of a better term, with significant importance to both Bajorans and the Federation. That fact alone would make both the Bajorans and Federation interested in its preservation. And I can see it, like the modern day Washington Navy Yard, still be in use as a center for diplomacy, administration, and trade. Although we don't see it, the original Terak Nor/DS9 station is probably a larger complex by 2410 (which is what the year should be in game now. ;) ).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Archanubis wrote:

    It is an historic landmark, for lack of a better term, with significant importance to both Bajorans and the Federation.

    Not that i disagree, I like the station, but I would imagine the Bajorans would have liked for the station to have been blown up at some point. it is after all a symbol of the occupation and its the place where hundreds of Bajorans died in slave labour
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    McCooey wrote: »
    Not that i disagree, I like the station, but I would imagine the Bajorans would have liked for the station to have been blown up at some point. it is after all a symbol of the occupation and its the place where hundreds of Bajorans died in slave labour

    I'm not so sure. After all, they did put an Orb there (one of their most holy relics) and a temple. Many even revere the stations as the Gateway to the Celestial Temple.

    That being said, I am surprised that there aren't more defenses in place to defend DS9 against further Dominion incursion, should they decide to break the Treaty of Bajor. But perhaps there is another outpost or defensive pereimeter on the other side of the wormhole. Not that we saw any during hte last Featured Episode though :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Well. . . it's been 100 years. It's not like we're still prepping for the coming German invasion. What defenses were put in place, at some point would have been dismantled or moved.

    I personally think that Terok Nor, the station, would likely have remained to now. I would not be surprised however, if there had been major repairs/remodeling/reworking of the interior (and even some of the exterior) of the station by now though.
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