Well........................I guess so, but my next question is simple. If they do a reboot of TNG, then what universe would it be set in? The Prime or JJ's
http://trekmovie.com/2012/03/23/exclusive-brent-spiner-interviewpart-2-talks-bad-tng-episodes-why-nemesis-bombed-jj-trek-franchise-future/
I still want a new show based in the Prime universe, but if they do a reboot of TNG maybe it would be best in the movies new timeline.
What do you guys think?
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And, in addition, when making a show it's better to have more lore behind it. The movie universe basically has nothing, whereas the prime universe has hundreds of episodes, as well as 10 movies to draw on.
They'd be making a big mistake if they didn't place the show in the prime universe. I would like to see a rebooted TNG, but I hope it's not a straight rip off. Give us Riker as Captain or something. Let's see how things have changed a couple of decades down the road.
only thing about JJ movie that is canno is romulus being bown up other then that every thing after is not canno that is why he even got to make that movie
and if they base in in JJ movie i will not watch it
I suppose they could merge the timelines and say Data never dies.....Or Q could save the Romulus...
I voyager they sure played with timelines alot........The theater set no matter what, I cant think of any trekkie that wouldnt like to see Picard again, maybe trying to save spock, return the timeline...?
Fun thought food:cool:
1. Different designed Galaxy Enterprise
2. New actors in the beloved roles of the crew, (Mind up season one had far more people, before it was scaled back a bit.)
3. New story;ines - (This is why I figured it would take place in the new timeline vs the old one. This in turn chould open the door to the Prime Universe, as people from it could be moved from it. Events after the Romulan event, could have old cast people being moved into the new timeline, just depends on the storyline being used. )
4. A revisit of all the Factions within the TNG timeline, now that we have a better idea who they are, maybe better stories can be told with them. (Remember it took time to flesh out the Ferengi to what they are now, can you picture a reboot with them as a main player?)
5. Maybe they would lose the Q angle as it is now, or maybe not but the Q would get a reworking in any reboot.
6. Then you have the BORG, what would they look like with any reboot?
I am not against any reboot as long as it's done right.
And a reboot couldnt be set in the JJ verse, wich, I agree, sucks, either, since that JJ movie wasnt a reboot since its directly conectet to the "prime verse".... you could even say erased the prime verse.
I actually dont see a point in a TNG reboot to be honest. They either have to copy the orgininals, wich limits the way the storys and characters can go, or do it the BSG-way and... prety much do nothing but using die original names.... and there they simply could make a new series with entirely new chatacers in the first place.
Anyways, ST could need a fresh new start on the TV screen. Enterprise (the series) wasn't cancelled for no reason. Season 4 showed some promise, but only to ST nerds, and a hit series has to appeal to a broader audience than that, that's just reality. Get rid of all the preachyness, show badass starships doing badass things and still make it very Star Trek by giving the setting a positive vibe instead of BSG-style (or DS9-style) grimdark.
We always fly around in the "east - east-north" on the borders of the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians etc. - but noone ever visited the other side of the galaxy.
Thats what a new show could do. Take the established timeline, refer to events on the other side of the galaxys arm, but stay there and explore the other side of the galaxy.
If they were going to do a redux they are gonna have to bring the old crew back like Rick Berman, Braga, Jeri Taylor and all the other artists and stuff for a redux because they had the TNG mindset and know what the new generation of ST fans like me expect and not a miss mash of garbage JJ did for our parents Trek.
If you look on TV now you would see only one Star Trek series playing and thats TNG all the other Trek series has gone away on the vine like DS9, TOS, VOY and ENT. TNG is still playing on mulitple networks like BBC and Sy-Fi. What does that tell everyone? by the way fellow STO fans this series has been nominated more than once for Emmys for special effects among other things. The others have not.
My thoughts to the remaker if there is one,
Do the original down to earth version of Star Trek TNG and not a remake of the movies, although cool they do not scream the authentic TNG expierence.
DO NOT Mess with the Ship or the character roles. Like in JJ's production. The Enterprise (TOS-9) looked pitiful and the love story of Spock and Uhura, honestly who thought of that TRIBBLE.
The director needs to have an eye in the ST game or has actually lived in it. I would sugest either Levar Burton or Roxanne Dawson. Both have directed multiple episodes in Voyager and the Enterprise (NX-O1) series.
Make the mood slightly darker than the first season and the first couple of episodes. One of the pitfalls of the series early on is the fact its too chipper compared to the inter-fighting and gun slinging predacessor.
NO NEW bad guys either or other story arcs. Whatever enemy you put as the baddy don't make them some time traveling nut case that exist in a far fetched alternate universe and make sure hes beatable (NO Q) or how they all met, we all know that from "Encounter at Farpoint" If you must include Tasha do it but i strongly disagree if you do. The greatest parts of the series and fans remembers the TNG without her.
NO ROMULANS. That has been beaten to death many times. May i sugest an updated Borg in 2012 with our special effects tech and 3d it would be kicks ***, then you would have to put in on the IMAX screen.
All and all stay true to TNG, and not mix it with other series and keep the feel the same. TNG has a certain fell to it thats unique compared to other Sci Fi shows and even other spin offs of the Trek Empire.
So fans they messed up on the first one lets not have a repeat shall we?
That would defeat the purpose of a TNG "reboot"
Not much since network TV is a stodgy medium on the decline. Each series is now available on Netflix Instant, along with TOS and TOS The Animated Series. You can watch any and all Trek you want whenever you want on a variety of different devices with just a couple of clicks.
I no longer have to care that the BBC keeps airing a rerun of the same episode I've seen 312 times, and can just skip to one I've only seen 20 or so times because they never got rerun as often. The control alone is superior to network TV.
Yes, TNG was boss, but we already have TNG. It is my favourite series and it is 100x better than DS9 and especially the dreck that Voyager was. Voyager had an insanely incompetent Captain and turned the Borg, a formerly unique and really cool villain, into the lame space vampires we have now. But I disgress: TNG was and still is great, but it wouldn't be a reboot if a new TNG would just do it all over again exactly as it was before.
What makes Trek isn't the Technobabble solution of the week. The essence of Trek is that the future will be awesome. Earth will become a better place through technology and education. Humanity will be truly enlightened and shed off childish religion and other dogmas. That's what a new series has to show to be true to Star Trek in my opinion.
A fresh new start should go on exploring this setting without falling back to the same old plot devices that never really changed much through TNG and VOY. We don't need more of that.
Obviously. :rolleyes:
Actually Cardassian is in "the west" if you wanna call it that way. The STO star map IS taken from that published star chart wich isnt canon by itsself but based on canon star chars seen on lcars displays ect.
I know I'm nitpicky here but: the next generation IS the TOS Legacy.
I cant see them disconectet....
Although of course TNG is of major importance, and more important then its follow ups (no matter if someone likes those more or not).
And if you ask the "random person"; most ppl will know Picard and Data as much as Scotty Kirk and Spock, today may be even more people, but I doubt many people know who Archer, Sisko or Odo were...
The whole movie was TRIBBLE, beside Urbans performance and the Soundtrack there is nothing good I could mention about it...
And here is the problem. You mention LeVar Burton. Do you remember what he said?
"Let Star Trek die!"
Back when he said this Fans were prety angry about that. They believed he was just jelous because Star Trek continued without him. I shared that opinion, but now, 1 Abrahams movie later I know EXACTLY what Burton meant:
Whats coming now is not Star Trek.
Abrahams movie isnt Star Trek. This game here isnt Star Trek.
Nothing of that is even close to what Star Trek was about. And I'm not talking about the shiny improoved mankind stuff, although thats part of it too.
It was the "intelligent" story telling, Star Trek was something for people who like to use their brain (unlike, for example, the Stargate-series, wich I enjoyed for what it was: Brainless fun).
And the current tendency.... well the Abrahams movie, as an example, was the EXACT OPPOSITE.
Using the brain while watching that flick just causes serious pain. And thats the way it would go on.
Marian Sirtis (the actress of Deanna Troy) mentioned something prety similar (although that is connectet to a prety funny story; the wrote that in some fan chat and was wondered that wasnt kept private later...)
So my personal opinion; right now we do not need any more Star Trek.
Look at Enterprise; that series didnt fail because of the "bad writing" people like to interpretate into it (imo it was MUCH MUCH better written then Voyager, and Voyager didnt fail because of it)
Currently people do not watch Sci Fi generally that much any more. That hype is over.
Star Trek was supposed to show a better future, socially and technologicly.
Socialy?
Star trek showed a black woman on the Bridge, it did show the first black series-captain, the first woman commanding a ship ect.
Today the USA has a black President, and here in germany, slthough you might not recognize at once what that Chancelor is... it actually is a woman.
Point is: All those tollerance-messages Star Trek had kind of have arrived on those who are willing to listen, the other wont listen anyway.
Technologicly?
How do ypou show awsome looking "Future" tech.
Garantet, we do not have Spaceships and cant beam yet.
But I was prety impressed when Picard spoke with that little Laptop on his table, seeing the Admrial or whoever and having a conversation, that was Sci fi.... Thats what Skype, Facetime and even Facebook does today.
Ever earlier, when Kirk had a little device and could speak with his ship that is in orbit or his teammates that was sci fi. Today we call that Mobile Phone.
Or that awsome bridge with als that LCARS... wow... the monitor and input device as one thing... as screen to touch...
.... today every second person has an IPhone, IPad ect.
Its kind of hard to even visually create a "futursitic looking enviroment" today.
All that I can see to do that is... well... holographic displays ect... wich are not only looking silly but are also, I believe, prety unconfortable to use.
Bottom line: I dont see what should be there to show that hasnt already been shown.
Also: One of the great things about Star Trek WAS taking place in the same universe. It WAS awsome to know that Picard is flying arround there and wondering what the Enterprise does during the dominion war; just using the reset-button erases that.
So, we do not need something with "STar Trek" tagged on it just to have something named "Star Trek".
If they have a Story to tell, characters to show; ANYTHING of intrest to share, yes they should make a new series.
But if, and thats the case, not... then they shouldnt throw out TRIBBLE just for the opportunity to name something Star Trek.
Seems youre right ... there are different maps around, maybe I remembered anotherone.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Galactic_Quadrant_Star_Trek.png
Although Qonos seems a bit far away for ENT Enterprise to reach it while taking forever to fly around the rest of the series? (They did go to Qonos in the first episode, or did they...?)
Hm, so north-west then.
I sadly have to concur - although I enjoy both regardless.
Correct.
and despite all of this due to the "shiny iTrek" look of the new franchise you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be a reboot and it WILL be set in the JJ universe. :mad:
give us a new series..
and romulans, and PLS - NO WESLEY CRUSHER!!!!
but seriously, there is no need for remakes...how about something NEW. Hell, I could dig a new crew, and a new ship that happens to be during X era, but no need to remake things.
I wish my mistakes could gross almost $400 million worldwide.
Remakes are much easier to make and sell in Hollywood. See 21 Jump Street and The Three Stooges for reference.
How about a series about a Klingon warship?
Bridging the gap in a sense.
It could also be culturally relevant, exploring issues related to terrorism, social upheavals, military conflict that falls short of a sanctioned war, etc. Even the pitfalls of technological advancement.
It could show that the 'utopian' Federation has been broken by "human" failure, but that the ideals and morality that shaped it aren't completely dead.
See what I mean here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42TtQ6EseVg
It used to happen in every single super hero film, where Hollywood just had to have its touch on the super hero genre. So you get nipples on the bat suit or leather jackets as costumes for the X-Men.
Then a few movies got made that played it straight from the source and suddenly super hero flicks opened up a bit. (Well not including Michael Bay's Non-Teenage, Alient Not Mutant, Ninja Turtles who may not be ninja nor turtle by the time he does a new interview).
Be nice to see them take that same slant with remakes and play them closer to the source. But I doubt it.
The Stooges movie scares me.
Hmmyeaaanoo. Touching touchy topics and showing them as the no-nonsense that they are is something Star Trek should stay true too. Like the often mentioned TOS Uhura. At that time - Unthinkable. Female, black, high ranking Officer. But in the show it was a totally normal situation. Nothing to make some wuzz about (excluding one or two episodes like the one with space lincoln, but even there it was just a few seconds).
Going all out dark and gritty would end in Battlestar Trek. No, do not like the Idea at all. I do like BSG, I watched every episode 2-3 times and have the big collectors box with all seasons and stuff BUT I totally dislike the SciFi has to be dark, gritty drama mentality it spawnd.
I really hope that a new ST show stays away from that. Maybe some darkness sometimes to spice stuff up, but it should always be an exception.
its far more likely that since the 1 dimensional nero incident, the loss of vulcan and a man displaced from his own universe, it seems to me that if TNG got a reboot it would probably be something far more militant that then exploration. like peacekeeping the borders rather then exploring, it may very well end up going the direction of ENT S3 just to chase down a threat to the federation. the prime universe trek was based on respect and it's ideals, the alternate was based on conflict with no real interaction between the crew and all of them are cadets. its entirely likely that the TNG crew would be a younger version as well.
This i so strongly disagree with that i will do anything to ignore it. but if there is another trek show i would rather it be based of a few years after the ENT-E reman incident as the bassen rift, that way it can completely debunk STO
I say a reboot is sketchy at best (however BSG did an amazing job, they went from campy to dark, stargate tried to do it with SGU but that wasnt as succesful).
To me Star Trek at its core is about moving forward, socially, technologically, etc-ly. Granted some episode stories have been done to death... how often has the holodeck malfunctioned? Why do a reboot when it'll accomplish little and will always be up for comparison to the original? Push forward, expand your horizons.
How has star trek progressed socially as both a cultural reflection and a counter-culture?
The original pilot with Captain Christopher Pike was apparently way ahead of its time (a female 1st officer named Number 1?). Too bold they said, let's change that. Star Trek does hit its bumps behind the scenes, but even if it doesnt grow in leaps and bounds, it still grows. (I will say if you haven't seen Pike fight hand to hand, he blows Kirk's style out of the water)
TOS: Uhurah (the kiss), Chekov, Sulu, you name em, that was one interracial international bridge.
TNG: Tasha Yar, a strong female in an important and perhaps aggressive role. I will say that TNG was a bit more hesitant when it came to 'boldy going where no one has gone before'
DS9: Benjamin Sisko, a man of color in the lead. Dax's past lovers.
VGR: Janeway, a female in the lead. Sure they tossed in 7o9 for some eye-candy ratings, but hey we're all hew-mun!
What's next on 'the agenda'? Ask yourself, how comfortable or interested would you be with an asian in the lead? Or maybe someone that isn't heterosexual, a homosexual on the bridge? Hesitant, unsure? Maybe, I'm sure a lot of people felt the same back in the day with Star Trek's other first bigs.
For myself, I can gladly say I am interested in the challenge and seeing how well or how poorly the mainstream star trek universe will fare with it. If it comes to technology, I'm not quite sure what's next, we got cell phones, we have rail guns, lasers, I find human ability to create the literal out of the fictional to be spectacular.
As they say in the army, "All the way." Give me something new, expand the universe, boldly go where no one has gone before. Do it without overdoing it, what made star trek's first bigs succesful was that they made sure that the characters in the end, despite their differences or uniqueness, were just people trying to get by... and when you look at another person, its the fact that they're a person too that matters.
Because if a picture/tv company chose to just rehash, reboot, and play it safe, we'll just end up with TRIBBLE like Enterprise.