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edited March 2012 in Ten Forward
So, following on from the thread created about Terra Nova being cancelled, it got me thinking in that are TV series getting better or worse?

I'm of the opinion it's getting worse, with only little TRIBBLE of good stuff coming out.

so ST series aside as they are a given to me (yes even voyager which I think is terrible), I was wondering what TV series match up to what I think are the pinincle of TV series and what I hold as the standard.

So here's my list of those I think are the nuts (in no particular order of greatness (in my opinion) -

Bab 5. (all 4 series and the last episode of series 5).
Farscape (genius).
Firefly (enough said).
24 (up to series 4. Shouldn't have killed Pres Palmer tbh).
The Wire (Great except for the school series 3 I think)
Stargate (or the Jack show).
Supernatural (love em)
Fringe (my current fav)

I know I have missed out some, but these are the ones that I love.

Now, it seems that the new stuff coming out, is interesting at first, but seems to loose it's steam too early.

An example, I thought the Walking dead first series was excellent, now the second series is just okay, but it's like pulling teeth as it all seems to be set in the farm and I want them to move on.

Alcatraz, so far it's just Meh, but I feel compelled to watch it as I want to know what's going on.

Lost, great first series, but then it got long and tiresome and the payoff was a massive cop out.

I am loving Game of thrones and don't recall a weak episode, but I am not putting it in my list as yet until I see how it goes.

Spartacus, great first series, okay after.

BSG, really good and I even accepted a female Starbuck, but after the first series, it went up it's own ..... and I don't think it recaputured the first series vibe.

So, what's your thoughts.

Remember, this is just my list. There is no right or wrong (except Bab 5 is even better than TNG which is my favourite Trek ...;)

Relax...
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    to me, smallville was one of the last good TV shows on the air. And even then, it kind of went to pot during certain seasons, and only got good at the very end of it.

    and I keep on watching The walking dead hoping that it'll get good again. =\ And to think it showed such promise at the start. It's just a bunch of insane people doing insane things that makes no sense at all.

    I just get the feeling that Hollywood has gotten REALLY lazy regarding TV shows. They're proably thinking: "If the masses can watch crappy reality shows and love them, then that means we can produce TRIBBLE that passes for good fiction somehow without putting in any real effort! big money here we come!"

    The rest of the shows on your list was good though. :) Wish there was more shows like Farscape and Firefly.

    There's also Doctor Who.... I think that can be a good show sometimes.

    It's basically gotten to the point where almost any new TV shows I watch are Anime or American Cartoons now. I get them on dvds or watch them online, too. Sure, they're cartoons but at least the cartoon series has a decent plot with good characters. And it's kind of a sad thing when TV shows designed for older kids have a better plot than non-animated Adult shows nowdays.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    TV series on the average is going down the toilet just as fast as Music has done since the 90's, everything has been played to death and cloned with a different name, you got rubbish like these soaps which are almost exclusively repeats of a previous episode, someone did this or that... now you got even worse coming up, reality TV shows, do i really need to go on? sure some people like this stuff and each to their own, but in my opinion, TV shows are no longer what they once were much the same direction music has become, all tone deaf Jedward and Beiber types and if it isnt plastic and to make sure the real talented musical types are always ignored, its not good for a business trying to scam every tom, TRIBBLE and harry they can find to watch that TRIBBLE.

    look back to the 80's and 90's, star trek, red dwarf, stargate, babylon 5, farscape amoungst others, these were the only high-light standouts in my eyes and then you got Stargate Universe that flopped because people who watched it didnt like that isnt SG1 and SGA because of the comical value to it, was quite a shame we will never know if the crew ever got out of stasis or if Eli went native. i doubt we will see another trek series for another 10+ years either. But mostly SGU came off the back of BSGr, it definately felt as such.

    I hope one of these days people see reality tv shows and soaps as nothing more then poking at a dead horse and has been like this for so long and try to revitalize TV, but to the most part its now getting into a polical aspect of someone crying foul because its slightly racist even though its meant to be a light hearted attempt at humor, otherwise known as the PC Brigade. thats a whole different can of worms even though its part of the same issue.

    My opinion of TV shows? its on the fast decline and if it isnt picked up soon, it's gonna be left to rot.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Solomace wrote: »
    so ST series aside as they are a given to me (yes even voyager which I think is terrible)

    To me, Voyager is a great show. It's diferent from the rest. DS9 is also different (but I love it :) ).

    The new series go from bad to worse....

    BSG.... or Galactica battlestar with psicothics chars. Starbuck change of sex, is pasable (but it erase so good chars as Cassiopea or Athena) and reduce a war of 1000 years in another with 50 or 75 years of old. I only had a work for that show... Pathetic.

    Stargate Universe.... no coment.... another psicotihics chars show....

    I hope see again sci-fic series as any of star trek. Until that, I'll see Merlin, Toledo, or the clone wars (the clone wars had better plots that many films, and that is to cry).


    Thanks to everybody for the fun, sorry for my bad english.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I had a few new shows coming up this year for me:
    Alphas, Homeland and Person of Interest are the ones that I remember most. I am looking forward to their continuation.
    I'll miss Terriers. And Stargate Universe (not perfect, but they had made up an interesting story arc that I would have liked to see come to a conclusion) :( .

    I think there will always be good and bad shows. I had the impression there was a trend to more good, but in retrospect I think it's more that I even bothered to try out new shows that looked even somewhat interesting - and some turned out to be good.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    For the op....replace series with seasons...i got totally confused when you said bab 5 first 4 series..i was like omg we dont acknowledge the spinoff ...and there was more???
    But yes bab5, firefly, game of thrones, most of 24 (writer strike hurt it alot) i was just getting into V when that got tossed aside for three TRIBBLE shows..
    All in all programming is down because ideas are down....its all been done before and if its remade not even holding a candle to the original because the writers on the remake try to damn hard to make it their own...prime example bsg...started ok enough but went down the religion route...something scifi and religion mixxing bothers the hell out of me...anyway
    Reality shows are here to stay because knowing what fake rich people struggling through life is way more entertaining than say a new sci fi show.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Sosuhno wrote:
    For the op....replace series with seasons...i got totally confused when you said bab 5 first 4 series..i was like omg we dont acknowledge the spinoff ...and there was more???
    But yes bab5, firefly, game of thrones, most of 24 (writer strike hurt it alot) i was just getting into V when that got tossed aside for three TRIBBLE shows..
    All in all programming is down because ideas are down....its all been done before and if its remade not even holding a candle to the original because the writers on the remake try to damn hard to make it their own...prime example bsg...started ok enough but went down the religion route...something scifi and religion mixxing bothers the hell out of me...anyway
    Reality shows are here to stay because knowing what fake rich people struggling through life is way more entertaining than say a new sci fi show.

    Lol, why should I replace series with Seasons? I live in England, so we call it series here :) I also spell Colour the right way too;) (JK)...

    One thing about alot of these cancelled show's like V, or SGU, is that the last episodes always seems to leave you wanting more, even if they are a chore to watch. 4400 I thought started slow, then just as it was cancelled, I was starting to get into the characters and was bummed when it ended.

    I see no one has mentioned Heroes. Is it because we all felt we got £$%£$% after the first series or was it just me. Our lass who is a massive Big Brother, TRIBBLE-factor , Biggest loser fan, enjoyed the first "series" of Heroes and then was turned off with the last episode and the next 3 series.

    Having said that about reality TV programmes, I love my Geordie Shore (think it's a copy of Jersey Shore?) and I love my Storage Wars for some reason.

    Shesh, I'm getting old...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Sturgeon's Law.

    If you think TV is getting worse, you're selectively forgetting that thousands of broadcast crimes against humanity have been committed every year. Herman's Head, Hangin' With Mr. Cooper, Homeboys in Outer Space, the 80's reboot of Leave it to Beaver, the Brady Bunch spinoff where the girls are grown up and married and the rest of the family is mysteriously gone, anything with Bob Sagat.

    And that's just the ones I actually watched and haven't blocked out of my memory.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Solomace wrote: »
    Lol, why should I replace series with Seasons? I live in England, so we call it series here :) I also spell Colour the right way too;) (JK)...

    One thing about alot of these cancelled show's like V, or SGU, is that the last episodes always seems to leave you wanting more, even if they are a chore to watch. 4400 I thought started slow, then just as it was cancelled, I was starting to get into the characters and was bummed when it ended.

    I see no one has mentioned Heroes. Is it because we all felt we got £$%£$% after the first series or was it just me. Our lass who is a massive Big Brother, TRIBBLE-factor , Biggest loser fan, enjoyed the first "series" of Heroes and then was turned off with the last episode and the next 3 series.

    Having said that about reality TV programmes, I love my Geordie Shore (think it's a copy of Jersey Shore?) and I love my Storage Wars for some reason.

    Shesh, I'm getting old...

    Hmm ok...lol..heroes...yeah..problem with that show was it was all over the place and was pretty stretchy with the plot...

    Nope we totaly know of the bad shows...see how few decent ones are mentioned...btw i do watch top gear not sure if id say its great but beats american news anyday lol.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Sosuhno wrote:
    .btw i do watch top gear not sure if id say its great but beats american news anyday lol.

    You aint seen Top gear until you have watch the original British versionl!!!

    Clarkson for Prime Minister!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    The above is true, that's why music was better when we were younger. Because we forgot all the terribad stuff that came out at the same time as classic albums like "What's the Story/Morning Glory" or "Rage Against the Machine" etc. Same goes for earlier periods like the 80s, 70s and 60s. For every "Sgt Peppers" or "Led Zeppelin IV" or "Darkside of the Moon" there were probably a dozen albums that were a waste of vinyl, and far more of no particular goodness or badness, just "there" so to speak.

    If I look back at the last five years, some TV series really stood out for me, Peepshow's one of the funniest things I've watched in years, but thre've been other sticoms that were rubbish, I can't quite remember them right now though. Same with Life on Mars (the original one), that was great, I can't really remember much else of what was on around that sort of time though.

    Same's true of sci-fi, Star Trek, BSG and B5 spring to mind straight away. I have to rack my brains for a little to remember Firefly, Space Above and Beyond, or Sliders.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Solomace wrote: »
    I see no one has mentioned Heroes. Is it because we all felt we got £$%£$% after the first series or was it just me.
    The writer's strike killed Heroes, I think. Okay, we can't be sure that it would have run smoothly without it, but I think the quality dropped considerably and storylines were dropped or turned into something they probably never were intended to be.

    I also miss Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles*. I am just watching the DVDs now again. Still captures me, even though I'II hate seeing the cliffhanger ending again...

    *) Though I actually watch it more as a John Connor Chronicles show, because it is a lot more about John's growth to become the man that Skynet sees as his biggest threat...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Solomace wrote: »
    You aint seen Top gear until you have watch the original British versionl!!!

    Clarkson for Prime Minister!

    Pretty sure thats the one i watch on the american bbc we have here...its on right after st tng for me..my favorite episode to date is where they go out buy those 3 cars and whats his names car keeps breaking down on their trip...and he finaly breaks down for good in the pooring rain and the other two leave him and keep driving to the pub er whatever their final destination was in that city..wich name eludes me at 630 am......
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Eureaka- with the exception of a weak 3rd season, it's been a fun and quirky show that's being ended too soon.
    Warehouse 13- Slow star, but I am really digging it now
    BSG- Great start, Great finish, weak third season
    Doctor Who- Good star t(#9), Better middle (#10, Fantastic at the moment (#11)
    SG-1- The only time I've like the US Air Force
    Atlantis-Slow start, but humming on all cylinders when ended too soon
    Universe- Wah? huh?
    Terra Nova-Soooo much potential
    V- You can't end the show like that!
    Firefly - Almost the best ever
    Fringe - Never got into it, felt like an X-Files clone
    X-Files - good mix of Mythology and stand alone episodes
    Babylon 5 - I pretend the 5th season didn't happen, that being said, best ever made
    24 -Had me till the last season
    Caprica - Crapica
    Heroes - Great start, the rest was meh
    JAG- at the end had more sci-fi than some sci-fi shows
    NCIS - BEST SHOW EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and that's not just the Navy guy in me talking)
    TNG - only watchable episodes now are the Best of Both worlds two parter
    DS9 - slow start, kicking end
    VOY - had some stumbles, but a quality series
    ENT- See VOY
    TOS - wouldn't work today, but was great for the day
    Big Bang Theory - One of only two comedies I watch
    Sarah Connor Chronicles: had soooo much potential, anothe victim of Fox
    Farscape - mmmm Claudia Black, and was a good series too
    Futurama - Another victim of Fox, has been reprieved by Comedy Central


    Oh man I watch too much TV
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Sosuhno wrote:
    Pretty sure thats the one i watch on the american bbc we have here...its on right after st tng for me..my favorite episode to date is where they go out buy those 3 cars and whats his names car keeps breaking down on their trip...and he finaly breaks down for good in the pooring rain and the other two leave him and keep driving to the pub er whatever their final destination was in that city..wich name eludes me at 630 am......

    You just described half of the "X car for Y money" challenges on Top Gear.:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I haven't watched tv shows regularly since Stargate Atlantis. I didn't particularly think it was great, either.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Solomace wrote: »
    So, following on from the thread created about Terra Nova being cancelled, it got me thinking in that are TV series getting better or worse?

    Better. Much much better.

    You've got things like Breaking Bad and Madmen that couldn't have been properly made 10 years ago.

    You've also got the hard-learned lesson of Rome, where a great series was cancelled due to budget, only to find out that DVD sales could support costly period shows. And now we reap the benefits of said lesson learned with Game of Thrones.

    Granted all of this comes with a hefty price tag for our culture and our development as a species. Of course I'm referring to all the viewing hours we've generated based on the Kardashian family.

    Still, the quality of dramatic television has really had its doors blown wide open compared to the previous two decades.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    TV in general is pointless now a days. I miss the 90's and early 2000's...at least back then re-runs of good shows were on all the time....I watch TV maybe once or twice a week for an hour...

    So far what I'd ever watch on current Tv:

    Any Star Trek show or movie (well not the JJ-Cancerverse)

    Star Wars shows or movies

    Top Gear (British version)

    News in general

    Maybe something on Science Channel

    History Channels from time to time

    Military channel if it's about WWII or civil war

    Maybe the old, old X-Men cartoon that's on at like 1am on the weekends alongside the ancient Iron Man cartoon

    That's it....:(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    TV in general is pointless now a days. I miss the 90's and early 2000's...at least back then re-runs of good shows were on all the time....I watch TV maybe once or twice a week for an hour...

    (

    Care to name some of these 90s and early 2000s? Geniunely interested.

    I forgot about how hooked on X-Files I was until that jumped the shark.

    I had a spell at watching some classic TV last year, to see if they stood up to today and if they were as good (or fun) as they were in my head when I was a kid. Programmes such as Buck Rogers, Original Battlestar, Blake 7 and Doctors Jon Pertwee and the best Tom Baker and I have to say, I still enjoyed all of these and they didn't seem to age too badly.

    Even the Sweeney and the Professionals are still good today and I would put Regan up against James McNulty any day of the week :)

    I hate to admit it, but I was a real big Friends fan when it first was released (and I am ashamed to admit, a big big fan). Still haven't seen the last 3 series of Friends and I possitively hate it now, simply because it's on every single sky channel all the time. Same with the Simpsons, used to love, now I hate it.

    Best cartoon series has to be The Justice League. I even love the straight to Blu-Ray feature length episodes and the new one is very good.

    Still even The Justice League isn't a patch on Battle of the Planets... Now that's a cartoon and a half:)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    My Opinion:

    Network TV Dramas: Much worse. Stuck in a total rut! So bad that the only thing that seems to make it are spinoffs. Seriously, how many Law and Orders and CSI series can you watch?

    Network TV Comedy: Worse than usual. For the masses product, so it's usually low grade and full of easy to digest laughs... but they're just so dumb! They've gotten dumber than usual. Whitney made me want to hurl. Even The Big Bang Theory, once stripped of nerd humour, is as inane as Two and a Half Men (it makes me wonder if Big Bang Theory is really just exploiting and condescending towards geeks, either way, makes us geeks look very unflattering, petty, and childish.). Overall, network comedy sucks.

    Network TV Scifi: Really downhill! Flashforward and Terra Nova were dull as hell. Fringe was great, but this season's seemed to have jumped the shark. I rather like Alcatraz, but dread what that will do to Fringe (JJ Abrams has ADD when it comes to his creations). Anything new just comes off as dull and uninteresting.

    Premium Channel Shows: Excellent! The best tv is not coming from the major networks, but rather from the premium channels. ABC, NBC and Fox, long used to making simple and unchallenging shows for the masses (and rejecting anything good) are being upstaged by AMC, FX, HBO. I'm loving shows like Broadway Empire, Breaking Bad, Spartacus, Sons of Anarchy, Burn Notice, etc. The only downside is they may be getting lazy too (The Walking Dead is going at a zombielike pace). Still, if it wasn't for premium channels... we'd have nothing good on TV.

    Oh, and it's even extended to Cartoons. It'd pit any episode of Archer against Family Guy or The Simpsons in a blind viewing, and see which one gets the most laughs.


    Reality TV: Total garbage! But admittedly, I watch some. No... not Jersey Shore. I find it either cruel to put such idiots on display, or exploitative if they're really putting on an act. The reality shows I watch tend to be about cool people with cool stuff. I watch Pawn Stars, Auction Hunters and American Pickers... but not for the personalities. I could care less about them... expecially the Mikey's and Chumlee's whom I can't stand. I just watch the shows to see all the cool stuff and learn some of it's history! The people involved are mere props. Down in front, antique expert, I wanna see the cool antique!



    What is my overall opinion?

    Yes, TV's getting worse. But it's Network TV that's going this way. It's my tastes that evolved to something either more edgy or more sophisticated, and network TV can't do that. Why? Because they have to appeal to a broader audience. They can't go too challenging, they can't go too obscure or too intellectual, or they'll lose the audience, who just frankly wants to be entertained.

    That's where premium channels fill the void. They draw in audiences that are looking for a special something, audiences that want more out of their TV, and will pay extra to get it. So they deliver, and bring some really good, compelling television as a result.

    So there. Network TV going down the tubes. Premium TV delivering the best. That's my personal assessment.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Does not help when piracy has been so bad and people somehow think its acceptable like things in the world can be created and not paid for!

    Ratings are false also, money is not allocated properly and potentially good series are not giving the financial chance a series would have got 20 years ago. Many people do not watch episodes until they are available for torrents.

    The audience is not exactly getting much more intelligent either. In the UK there is a show called "The Only Way Is Essex", biggest lot of TRIBBLE along with Big Brother! Mind numbing, couch potato, none educational or artistic TRIBBLE!

    In this current world economy the lower class get even more stupid in general due to poorer education, more crime and less interesting in University because the jobs aren't there for more professions.

    So we'll see a lot more mind numbing TV series coming soon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    DS9 - full of quality humor from Garak, a good strong storyline, quite sturdy more towards the end.
    VOY - admittedly i hardly watch it because its like TNG in the delta quadrant, although there are some episodes that stand out.
    TNG - there are some hilarious moments, mostly through the late Majel who played Lwaxana and her 'relationship' with picard. some strong episodes, but there were some truely dreadful episodes.
    TOS - *falls a sleep* only a few episodes that are worth watching.
    ENT - along TNG in the early years, some concerntration needed to keep focus on S3 but S4 was okay though.
    SG1 - Started great, a lull of quality at S7-S8, a good strong S9 and S10. lot some dredful episodes as well
    SGA - Really like Shepard's humor, Mackay always being the comical relief and chaos causer and the basicness of Ronan rex while being a tough son of a gun.
    SGU - lacking in quality in regards to pauses during the arc so there are times where it refreshes the viewers interest once more, towards the end of S1 it got more interesting.
    Farscape - Started great and ended great, even the peacekeeper wars was good.
    Babylon 5 - A good start, really like Garibadi's humor and use of words, big bad wars. admittedly im not that interested in S5 but it does keep the ball rolling through the films and the overall story arc during the B4 time travel incident, no fan of the marytr storyline.
    B5 Crusade - that was alot of fun to watch, although some of the characters were a bit under-utilized for my liking.
    Star Wars - was okay, but i hated the constant QQ of the young aniken skywalker before becoming evil. highly unnessisary for a film and a total turn off.
    BSGo - the original was not that great and probably explains only lasting a season.
    BSGr - The reimagined version is better, but it revolves around 'God' and a 'destiny'. i tried not to pay any attention to this stuff of mad religious nonsense as its a real turn off. it had a couple of really weak episodes but some of it was good.
    Dr Who - dr what? ive never seen it past a few epsiodes and hated it unconditionally.
    X-files - that was plain boring, i saw a enough episodes to want those hours of my life back.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    There were always bad and good tv shows at any time. Also, personal taste is a factor as well. :)

    When I first heard of The Walking Dead, I said to myself, well a zombie film as a show, let´s see. Since then I´m astonished how much I enjoy it. The zombie part is really irrelevant, the reaction to a hopeless scenario and the death of civilization is what really captures me. :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I really think that creativity is being strangled, and networks are taking the safe road more and more. All we see is more reality TRIBBLE, CSI, Law & Order "choong-choong" shows. It was sad to see Lost come to an end.

    BTW ... V also cancelled :(

    Anyone seen the trailers to "The River"?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I have not bothered to watch TV in over a decade, and likewise I don't bother with most movies too.

    The plotwriters need to be fired for being unable to do things differently, you know, create a new formulae of psychological immersion instead of using Hollywood stereotypes just like everyone else does. And stop abusing my favourite lady characters, they don't need to go through that **** to make the show 'feel more human'. That's what a plot and a story is for.

    I will make a point to catch cult favourites like Firefly and S:AAB because frankly, they're awesome. That means dumped by conservative networks :P
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I avoid anything they refer to as a "Gripping Crime Drama" :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Zypher2011 wrote:
    Does not help when piracy has been so bad and people somehow think its acceptable like things in the world can be created and not paid for!
    Most shows do not run on pay-TV channels, so unless a significant number of those NIelsen households are rather pirating shows then watching them on their TV, there is no money lost. They still can sell their shows overseas. And on DVD.

    I bet that most TV piracy has to do with the simple fact that it takes forever for TV shows to be availalbe outside the US. That is absolutely a money waste they are doing there - they wait for months or years before they make any "foreign" money on the property, instead of enabling a timely world-wide access hat would bring them money earlier - circumventing not only a lot of "convencience based piracy", but also enabling them to determine wether a show will be profitable and could use some investment or not much earlier.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Zypher2011 wrote:
    Does not help when piracy has been so bad and people somehow think its acceptable like things in the world can be created and not paid for!

    Ratings are false also, money is not allocated properly and potentially good series are not giving the financial chance a series would have got 20 years ago. Many people do not watch episodes until they are available for torrents.

    The audience is not exactly getting much more intelligent either. In the UK there is a show called "The Only Way Is Essex", biggest lot of TRIBBLE along with Big Brother! Mind numbing, couch potato, none educational or artistic TRIBBLE!

    In this current world economy the lower class get even more stupid in general due to poorer education, more crime and less interesting in University because the jobs aren't there for more professions.

    So we'll see a lot more mind numbing TV series coming soon.

    Agreed!

    However, I do pay my cable bill, so I don't feel bad about downloading tv episodes. My computer, essentially, becomes a glorified VCR.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Most shows do not run on pay-TV channels, so unless a significant number of those NIelsen households are rather pirating shows then watching them on their TV, there is no money lost. They still can sell their shows overseas. And on DVD.

    I bet that most TV piracy has to do with the simple fact that it takes forever for TV shows to be availalbe outside the US. That is absolutely a money waste they are doing there - they wait for months or years before they make any "foreign" money on the property, instead of enabling a timely world-wide access hat would bring them money earlier - circumventing not only a lot of "convencience based piracy", but also enabling them to determine wether a show will be profitable and could use some investment or not much earlier.

    red tape, red tape and and you guessed it more red tape! there are alot more problems then you realize trying to get stuff like this out of the states.

    besides another side to the two faced coin of pirating is that it can promote more buying of products, if its trialled and likely it gets bought to support them, otherwise its left in the cold and righly so, who would you watch a tv show about paint drying? nothing interesting about that at all, unless your content with such a ludicrous waste of time and effort, lol. im not saying its right or wrong, im just stating that people like to know what they are getting in this day and age especially where money is needed in the household.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I don't think TV shows are getting worse. I just think the whole entertainment universe is undergoing a tremendous change. Many of us are old enough to remember when there were just the 3 networks and a few local channels. Now there's a HUGE number of channels plus the internet. In all of that you're bound to find programs that run the gamut from excellent to stink-o-roonie MAX. I was not a fan of the new BSG. It lacked imagination and the whole "machines seeking God" thing has been done MUCH better other places (V'Ger). That said some shows I have loved in the past decade or so: Farscape, Lexx, The Invisible Man, Dr. Who, Terra Nova, Rome (that was TRULY a great show), Carnivale, Deadwood, Babylon 5, Deep Space 9, Special Unit 2, Lost Girl, Sanctuary, Pushing Daisies... just to name a few. Some of those I REALLY hated to see go, such as Pushing Daisies. Terra Nova I hated to see go but it came as no surprise. I had a lot of complaints about the premise but I've never seen a Sci Fi show I didn't. It was still a really good show. But it was just too costly to produce. Some of them, such as Lexx, actually lasted longer than they probably should have. I would have loved to see one more season of Carnivale and one more season of Rome to take us into the reign of Augustus. The internet, I believe, is in the process of truly changing the whole game as more and more people realize they can produce quality products of their own. What will TRULY change the game is the development of far more immersive VR tech. A holodeck in every home heheheheheh.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    theyve been worse for a while now with just a few good ones in between.
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