Someone on the STF channel pointed this little interesting thing about the new Featured Event.......
Where was D'Vak?
He's stationed on DS9 and commanding the combined Klingon and Federation efforts against the Borg, he wasn't at the conference, nor did we see him fighting the Jem'Haddar. But he was there before the meeting?
So where did he go?

And where was the Defiant? We know Kurland was heading to the ship, but I don't recall seeing it during the battle. Did he warp out?
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I did wonder why that room full of combat specialists had gone missing so to speak. (D'vak and company)
As for the Defiant. Eh... Probably got stuck in the upper docking pylon of DS9 and was never heard from again.
(or re-sized with DS9 and was never heard from again)
they mentioned at the very end that the defiant was taking the last of the people, so that must have been left till last (although you never see it)
People in command of not 1, not 2 but 3 destinct brances of forces do not have time to go into battle... Trust me on this.
He did what any klingon would have done... He yelled "HONOR" and ran.
He's in the store when you're running around doing errands. :rolleyes:
As for the Defiant, be nice if they actually had it docked and you could see it. Surely they could make it a non attackable target so it could pull off that illusion.
Well, she is no Laurel.
iim just wondering where im supposed to go now that ds9 is in their hands... oh wait you mean i can still go there? yeah.... fun times
May be he left just when the talks startet?
Would have been a nice continuity thing to have him there during the talks since that this allience falls directly into his working-area.
And he MIGHT have had some answers for that Gorn-a**hole.
And the Defaint during the battle.... well... shes probably in another instance....
That still dosent explain why the MACO and Omega forces ran though.
When the plot for this episode was written, D'Vak was still on the U.S.S. Victory in Gamma Orionis as a simple captain and quest giver for the pre season 5 STF's and not that big badazz Omega Force Leader he is now.
Cryptic just doesn't want to make the effort to bring him to this story, because they think most of us wouldn't mention that anyway.
IMHO it is really ridiculous, that the leader of the Omega Force, which was designed to face the Borg threat is not participating in such an important conference.
So, how come he wasn't at this vitally important conference to form an alliance to expand his forces?
Where were the Romulans?
Were they not invited to the big Alpha Quandrant Borg meeting or did they just not show up?
The Romulans are as ramshackle as they come these days, especially since Sela's getaway/kidnapping at the end of Cloaked Intensions. A broken empire by the time this meeting takes place.
This or they will include the 2800 series into the cardassian chain. That way the conference on DS9 would basically be the prelude to BG Omega and the Borg missions - and D'Vak would at the time 2800 takes place just be some average klingon captain selling prisoners to orion slavers, raiding peaceful colonies and what else klingons do when not standing at DS9.
...Maybe they could add a second line about Andrews' nationality.
We need no peace to realize the bigger danger and while one can choose to fight alongsisde the federation to vanquish the giant, I in no way trust or desire peace with them and will not drink thier kool-aid as the saying goes.
The federation has pushed away many allies in the timeline and to find those same allies our hesitant or down right distrustfull when they aproach (not even hat in hand) to seek assistance shows the underying arrogance of the situation.
1) D'Vak is generally not liked by the Klingon Empire and is merely tolerated by most, similar to how Worf was thought of by some/most of the Klingons he encountered during TNG. Thus, his direct involvement during the talks was seen as a potential detriment to the discussions.
2) D'Vak was preparing for a large effort against the Borg and although asked to participate in the talks, he could not afford to take time away from his post, and may have left DS9 right before the talks started.
3) D'Vak and the stationed Omega Force personnel went into hiding during the initial Dominion attacks after realizing they could not win a direct confrontation, and will reappear in the subsequent episodes as the "inside man" to take back DS9 (particularly involving spacewalks... I mean, the MACOs gotta use those helmets for something!).
The above could also explain why there were only 5 Federation starships around to defend the attack (most of them were sent on D'Vak's latest push into GO).
1. 30+ years have passed since the Dominion War. Starfleet has made significant strides in weapons and shields technology. Yet, DS9 fell in like 5 minutes.
2. An important conference is occuring, with delegates from major powers in the galaxy. The normal mode of operation is to protect that conference with any and all resources available. Essentially, a blockade in space, and 2-3x the normal security on the station itself. Apparently, the chief of Starfleet Security didn't get the memo.
3. Ops was left unattended, which directly resulted in the death of Karen Andrews. There is only one time in all of DS9 that I can recall Ops being so undefended. The episode was "Babel" and the reason it was undefended is because all the senior staff had been overcome with the aphasia virus. Where was the security in Ops? Why was Karen Andrews the sole person in the one place on the entire station that must be defended at all costs?
4. Karen Andrews orders Red Alert. We all know that when Red Alert is issued, shields go up. Yet, the Dominion's attack damages the station like the shields weren't up. When Sisko and company lost the station the first time, they put up a better fight, and it took the Dominion significantly longer to take the station than this.
5. I blew up every ship around DS9. Including the Dreadnought and the Battlecruisers. In an Exeter Class Cruiser. There were no ships left surrounding DS9. Yet, we lost? The Dominion holds the station? BULLS@#$!!!!
I could go on, but really, these are more than enough points to cause some headscratching and general wondering about what Cryptic did with a year's worth of time to develop this farce.
To be honest, he's still there anyway! We have D'Vak on the Battle Force Omega fleet, and D'Vak in DS9 - explain that to me eh?
To be honest I saw it as the Gorn being sent as a diplomat rather than a warrior? I don't know mind.
I honestly hope they do not. Cryptic's mixing up storyline continuities for the sake of gameplay.
For instance, how they blew the Iconian surprise with the Reman episodes and revealing them long before the Gamma Orionis missions. Or how they ruined the Section 31 plot by putting the Devidian Featured Event as part of the Klingon Chain. But with this mission, they specifically mention the Iconians as part of the threat which ruins the missions in Gamma Orionis.
That is why I really would like Cryptic to redo the Episode Page and maintain a storyline continuity. For example:
I seen people question if shes Irish or Scotish. But to me, she could be from the Mariposa Colony.
For those who don't remember, it's the TNG episode (Up the Long Ladder) where you had the two lost Earth Colonies with one being the clones of Mariposa and the other were the rural Bringloidi.
These are excellent points. I'm really dumfounded as to why the station failed, when we have 40 year better technology than this Dominion fleet, all the advancements gone into fighting the Borg, and it can't defend itself against a 40 year old dominion fleet? Come on.
Lots of plot holes I'm not happy with, as you pointed out above.
- The Dominion fleet may not have simply been transported in time from one point to another, and experienced the actual passage of time (up to 30 years) and made similar magnitudes of technological improvements (new "Super Polarized-Tachyon Beams" that drain shields?)... Exactly how they achieved this and how they survived that long is a bit of a mystery though (Cloning new soldiers? Found way to replicated White? What about the playble Jem'Hadar ships?)
- Re: lack of security, yeah this I don't get.
- Ops definitely should have been more lively before the talks started and during the initial attack... the last scene with Andews though, I can understand that all other Ops personnel were evacuated, leaving Andrews and a skeleton crew in other parts of the station to help get people to the escapecraft.
- I don't think the intention was to have players (be able to) defeat the invading fleet. Kinda goes against the whole story. I can forgive this as players tend to find ways to "break" out of the typical linear quest design the developers set out. Maybe after the path is cleared, some kind of invisible space wall goes up between the Dominion fleet and the 4 ships you are told to save, and if you get close to it, your Science Officer pops up and says "Captain, we have to focus on getting these people to safety!" would help... assuming I can accept invisible space walls.
This, other than the Romulan absence, is probably what bothered me the most. 30-40 years into the future and the Jem'Hadar take the station that easily...
Let's give them the benefit of the doubt for 1 second:
Let's assume for a minute that there are maybe 5 ships per faction in the diplomatic convoys, plus 10-20 more for the Federation security force. That's 35 ships. Let's also say the 2800 were all there despite us not seeing them (graphical limitations). So, let's say the 2800 Jem'Hadar are able to overwhelm that force and the station, despite the technological differences, since that seems reasonable given massively overewhelming numbers.
One would then have to assume that the Jem'Hadar took some heavy losses despite their victory. It's also probable that most of the Fed/Klingon/Deferi ships in the area were destroyed as well.
I supposed that next week or two, a diplomatic mission will be sent to the Gamma Quadrant to find Odo to see if the attack can be stopped, in typical Federation diplomatic fashion. Once they figure out it's the 30-year old fleet, and not initiated by the Founders, a mixed fleet of 200-300 Fed/Klingon vessels will easily mop the floor with the Jem'Hadar and the series will be, in effect, over.
This was essentially a Pearl Harbor. No one expected a full-scale invasion force to pop out of the wormhole.
Eh, I'm letting this one slide. If security were in place on the station, our captain wouldn't have as much to do.
Andrews specifically says that everyone has been evacuated, save a few key personnel. She sent everyone else to safety, and effectively sacrificed herself in doing so.
This one's more of a nitpick than anything else. Easily retconned if you say the Dominion ships fired before Red Alert could be implemented.
Well, Cryptic could have made it so it was impossible to win if you engaged the Dreadnought, but that's not much fun. Your job was to punch a hole and escort the other ships to safety. As far as the story goes, that was the end of it.
Farce? :rolleyes: A little suspension of disbelief works wonders. It is, after all, a game. If nothing else, they can make a few edits to fix those small points, but only we hardcore fans are likely to find it eyebrow-raising.
Hey, there you goooo. *nods* I could accept that as a viable answer. You should post that in the Andrews thread. Its a good theory.
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Also, I wish people would get off the fact that we can still visit DS9. They can't very well close the area down as people are still questing there. So think of it as a temporal shift, and you're there before the invasion, but you're bound to secrecy by the Temporal Prime Directive. Remember, in Star Trek all things are possible, because this is not reality.
The prelude to Champions Online's Vibora Bay crisis proves that it's possible for the engine to seal off instances based on the mission chain a player is engaged in, so why couldn't they have done the same here?