Which means they may or may not use it if they do a tv show doesn't mean anything else from this game counts.
1) They are already using a lot of stuff from the books
2) Its a game its NOT CANON
A fun game that isn't obsessed with something only part of the fanbase actually care about
Allow me to define my stance if you please.
I am not saying that this game is hard canon. What am saying is this game is the only continuation of the prime universe and the further we step from the established prime universe the less impact we have on it. That means opportunities like the Odyssey will get reduced by being to far removed from Roddenberry's vision too fast. That and our attitudes and responses to canon establishing events like the Odyssey.
Just because JJ Abrams is in control of Paramount's aspect of the IP does not mean that CBS cannot move forward with another TV series based in the prime time line in the future. Forgive me if I am a touch leery of throwing away the possibility of helping to shape that to a tiny degree.
Further, forgive me if you feel my point of view is nothing more than me ****ing all over your fun. Reducing your fun is not my objective at all. Keeping my eye on the possible big picture and STO's potential impact, or lack there of, is.
Then again I do play both sides and not one of my toons KDF side flies a carrier so I can say from my empirical experience that the lack of a carrier does not reduce my fun in STO in the least. I am sorry to hear from you the implication that a carrier is the only way for you to have a good time in Star Trek.
I am not saying that this game is hard canon. What am saying is this game is the only continuation of the prime universe and the further we step from the established prime universe the less impact we have on it. That means opportunities like the Odyssey will get reduced by being to far removed from Roddenberry's vision too fast. That and our attitudes and responses to canon establishing events like the Odyssey.
Just because JJ Abrams is in control of Paramount's aspect of the IP does not mean that CBS cannot move forward with another TV series based in the prime time line in the future. Forgive me if I am a touch leery of throwing away the possibility of helping to shape that to a tiny degree.
Further, forgive me if you feel my point of view is nothing more than me ****ing all over your fun. Reducing your fun is not my objective at all. Keeping my eye on the possible big picture and STO's potential impact, or lack there of, is.
Then again I do play both sides and not one of my toons KDF side flies a carrier so I can say from my empirical experience that the lack of a carrier does not reduce my fun in STO in the least. I am sorry to hear from you the implication that a carrier is the only way for you to have a good time in Star Trek.
By putting so much thought and effort into responding to his post, your legitimizing his baseless assertion. He has his idea of fun, and when you state yours he plays the victim by saying your attacking his desired fun. It's ridiculous,
I am not saying that this game is hard canon. What am saying is this game is the only continuation of the prime universe and the further we step from the established prime universe the less impact we have on it. That means opportunities like the Odyssey will get reduced by being to far removed from
Whats' this we thing its Cryptic's game and if they add something CBS(the only people shaping it because they own it not us) approves it. nothing we say or do has much relevance in this situation unless they agree to put something in the game we ask for, and even then all the power is with them.
Roddenberry's vision
Yeah i heard that was just something his successors came up with to keep trek static and unchanging which is what killed it.
too fast. That and our attitudes and responses to canon establishing events like the Odyssey.
Which as I said they may use but that may be all they use.
Just because JJ Abrams is in control of Paramount's aspect of the IP does not mean that CBS cannot move forward with another TV series based in the prime time line in the future.
IF CBS chooses to do so, right now their content just to remaster the old shows and make money off of that and tie-ins, and if they do a new show anytime soon it will be based on the guy pitching it's ideas not ours.
Forgive me if I am a touch leery of throwing away the possibility of helping to shape that to a tiny degree.
None of us have that possibility its all in CBS's hands. Nothing we say will change anything.
Further, forgive me if you feel my point of view is nothing more than me ****ing all over your fun. Reducing your fun is not my objective at all. Keeping my eye on the possible big picture and STO's potential impact, or lack there of, is.
There is no big picture for you to keep track of. there is one that CBS gets to keep track of but none of us have any say in it.
Then again I do play both sides and not one of my toons KDF side flies a carrier so I can say from my empirical experience that the lack of a carrier does not reduce my fun in STO in the least. I am sorry to hear from you the implication that a carrier is the only way for you to have a good time in Star Trek.
Its not I just don't like Canon to be used as a crutch to explain why things you don't like shouldn't be added to the game as if it that gives the person invoking it holy authority over what is and isn't trek. Its a tool to keep the franchise consistent not holy authority handed down by the ghost of Gene Roddenberry.
No idea but I did love it, I also live the way the shuttlebay looked like how a flight deck should operate.
one thing i say would be if we get a carrier, allow us to go to the flight deck and see all of our fighters and such, or even maybe have some sort of mini game and watch the fighters launch while your above them on the observation deck.
I can see myself going to my bays and customizing the weapons and such of my fighters easy....3 fighters all outfitted with omega ftw
yes that would be awesome, and maybe perhaps a chain of DOFF missions for training your pilots and then when you finish the chain your fighters get a certain percentage increase in certain aspects due to the training
yes that would be awesome, and maybe perhaps a chain of DOFF missions for training your pilots and then when you finish the chain your fighters get a certain percentage increase in certain aspects due to the training
Yah the DOFF system has so much more potential then just random mission, random reward kind of thing how it is now, you should have certain missions and have a reward that relates to that mission and have it be useful like a bonus to something, i know there is a couple that give bonuses right now but more would be better. and if we do get a carrier i really hope for some sort of new fed fighter.
well im ready to watch this thread go....*sniff* just remember it whenever you have an idea.
well im currently working on a design for a fed carrier as something to do when im bored, but due to not having a lot of time and not such a great computer that could be a while lol
yep, I have been spreading that around as much as i can, but in all seriousness i think this thread has done well and kept in line as much as it could have, but I would still love it if this thread could be the new Carrier idea dump so people dont make so many threads about it.
well for a carrier i would love to see port and starboard weapons instead of front and rear, maybe have 2 and 2 even, and i hope it really actually looks like a carrier and not just a cruiser the launches fighters
I'm looking forward to reading that transcript! I also, am much more a fan of a minor/major member races getting a Carrier type of ship rather than Starfleet. I think it is a fair compromise for those on both sides of the argument.
I actually have a Vulcan character with an all Vulcan Bridge Crew and will be working next on having all Vulcan Duty Officers. Point in case however, I really enjoy having that little support ship even though I think I should be able to equip a plasma beam weapon on it instead of that silly slow firing plasma turret that seems worse if not the same as an automated defense turret. So I understand the attraction of having support ships as it gives you the feeling of being a squadron, taskforce or fleet commander.
well for a carrier i would love to see port and starboard weapons instead of front and rear, maybe have 2 and 2 even, and i hope it really actually looks like a carrier and not just a cruiser the launches fighters
I think this isa great idea, or even as well as a front and rear weapon because turn rates on carriers, lets face it are not high because it would be a nightmare launching from them otherwise so a broadside based weapons rack would seem the logical option...
I like the notion of side mounted weapons, if it was an all or nothing prospect. One of the challenges for escorts is to optimize the front firing arch, (at the sacrifice of rear firepower), where a cruiser or another slow turner has an easy time overlapping beam arrays to optimize their broad sides while it maintains average front and rear DPS output.
Side mounted weapons would reverse this and allow your Fed carrier to place all eight beam arrays, if all weapons were side mounted, (what I meant by all or nothing), on any target foolish enough to approach from the front or rear. They would also be at an disadvantage from a flank as only four weapons could be brought to bear at a time.
Given how slow a carrier turns it would be easy for my Garumba or BoPs to achieve the side mount and punch a hole in their port and starboard shields.
What I would not like is if they get even spacing on all hardpoints. Two bow, two port, two starboard, and two aft would allow for six arrays to be placed on target at a time. That is as many guns as a BoP and almost as many as an escort. Further there would be no trade off like the reduced firepower of the turrets most BoP, raptor and escort pilots rely on to optimize their frontal cone of death.
Even with FAW's accuracy bug getting "fixed," (seems to still be super accurate against cloaked ships), a FAW boat would be major trouble to most nimble ships especially the BoPs.
A drone carrier would be awesome. I could see Starfleet doing a joint effort ship design with another race to make it, or have it come as an auxiliary ship from a Federation race (like they were talking about with the Caitians).
I just don't see Starfleet using sentient lives in fighters. That doesn't mean they would abandon carriers altogether.
Also the port and starboard weapons idea is great. Would love to see more ships with that design.
i just had an idea i think is brilliant. why not make new STF ships,
M.A.C.O. Escort Cruiser
OMEGA, Very rare and hard to obtain combined Special forces Carrier. costs 120 EDC and specific blueprints which do not drop often so it would be very unique. since omega fights the borg this would be great for fast action planetary rescue, since the borg could undoubtdly block transporters and shuttles would be to feeble to be able to land on planets in borg atmosphere, so an omega force fast strike carrier could be the solution.
Honor Guard Battlecruiser.
i know the MACO and Honor Guard arent detailed whatsoever but i cant think of something for them yet.
i just had an idea i think is brilliant. why not make new STF ships,
M.A.C.O. Escort Cruiser
OMEGA, Very rare and hard to obtain combined Special forces Carrier. costs 120 EDC and specific blueprints which do not drop often so it would be very unique. since omega fights the borg this would be great for fast action planetary rescue, since the borg could undoubtdly block transporters and shuttles would be to feeble to be able to land on planets in borg atmosphere, so an omega force fast strike carrier could be the solution.
Honor Guard Battlecruiser.
i know the MACO and Honor Guard arent detailed whatsoever but i cant think of something for them yet.
Hell no. They should abolish that terrible STF loot system and make the MXII armor sets obtainable some other way, not "add more fuel to the fire" by putting in more loot for it.
Hell no. They should abolish that terrible STF loot system and make the MXII armor sets obtainable some other way, not "add more fuel to the fire" by putting in more loot for it.
The ship ideas are quite nice, though.
Just because you don't want to do the endgame content, doesn't mean the rest of us don't!! :mad: Go rage in some other thread about your hate of the STF's
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Allow me to define my stance if you please.
I am not saying that this game is hard canon. What am saying is this game is the only continuation of the prime universe and the further we step from the established prime universe the less impact we have on it. That means opportunities like the Odyssey will get reduced by being to far removed from Roddenberry's vision too fast. That and our attitudes and responses to canon establishing events like the Odyssey.
Just because JJ Abrams is in control of Paramount's aspect of the IP does not mean that CBS cannot move forward with another TV series based in the prime time line in the future. Forgive me if I am a touch leery of throwing away the possibility of helping to shape that to a tiny degree.
Further, forgive me if you feel my point of view is nothing more than me ****ing all over your fun. Reducing your fun is not my objective at all. Keeping my eye on the possible big picture and STO's potential impact, or lack there of, is.
Then again I do play both sides and not one of my toons KDF side flies a carrier so I can say from my empirical experience that the lack of a carrier does not reduce my fun in STO in the least. I am sorry to hear from you the implication that a carrier is the only way for you to have a good time in Star Trek.
By putting so much thought and effort into responding to his post, your legitimizing his baseless assertion. He has his idea of fun, and when you state yours he plays the victim by saying your attacking his desired fun. It's ridiculous,
What I really wanna get out of all this is the Jem'Hadar Fighters.
hell having a Jem'Hadar carrier would be kick *** in so many ways.
or the galors would make great "dominion Carriers"
Well most trek fans from what i understand actually liked the new movie.
Whats' this we thing its Cryptic's game and if they add something CBS(the only people shaping it because they own it not us) approves it. nothing we say or do has much relevance in this situation unless they agree to put something in the game we ask for, and even then all the power is with them.
Yeah i heard that was just something his successors came up with to keep trek static and unchanging which is what killed it.
Which as I said they may use but that may be all they use.
IF CBS chooses to do so, right now their content just to remaster the old shows and make money off of that and tie-ins, and if they do a new show anytime soon it will be based on the guy pitching it's ideas not ours.
None of us have that possibility its all in CBS's hands. Nothing we say will change anything.
There is no big picture for you to keep track of. there is one that CBS gets to keep track of but none of us have any say in it.
Its not I just don't like Canon to be used as a crutch to explain why things you don't like shouldn't be added to the game as if it that gives the person invoking it holy authority over what is and isn't trek. Its a tool to keep the franchise consistent not holy authority handed down by the ghost of Gene Roddenberry.
ok this is bugging me, we have to use the Suliban ships as carriers and fighters. or tholian fighters.
one thing i say would be if we get a carrier, allow us to go to the flight deck and see all of our fighters and such, or even maybe have some sort of mini game and watch the fighters launch while your above them on the observation deck.
yes that would be awesome, and maybe perhaps a chain of DOFF missions for training your pilots and then when you finish the chain your fighters get a certain percentage increase in certain aspects due to the training
This isn't a bad idea.
Yah the DOFF system has so much more potential then just random mission, random reward kind of thing how it is now, you should have certain missions and have a reward that relates to that mission and have it be useful like a bonus to something, i know there is a couple that give bonuses right now but more would be better. and if we do get a carrier i really hope for some sort of new fed fighter.
yes, but i do hope if the feds get one we will get somewhat customizable interior, not just on a carrier but that is needed on all ships
well im currently working on a design for a fed carrier as something to do when im bored, but due to not having a lot of time and not such a great computer that could be a while lol
yep, I have been spreading that around as much as i can, but in all seriousness i think this thread has done well and kept in line as much as it could have, but I would still love it if this thread could be the new Carrier idea dump so people dont make so many threads about it.
possibly a new console, anti fighter/torp phaser gun or something of that nature
Just in case you all missed the thread which I posted yesterday, here's the link:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=259289
I think this isa great idea, or even as well as a front and rear weapon because turn rates on carriers, lets face it are not high because it would be a nightmare launching from them otherwise so a broadside based weapons rack would seem the logical option...
Side mounted weapons would reverse this and allow your Fed carrier to place all eight beam arrays, if all weapons were side mounted, (what I meant by all or nothing), on any target foolish enough to approach from the front or rear. They would also be at an disadvantage from a flank as only four weapons could be brought to bear at a time.
Given how slow a carrier turns it would be easy for my Garumba or BoPs to achieve the side mount and punch a hole in their port and starboard shields.
What I would not like is if they get even spacing on all hardpoints. Two bow, two port, two starboard, and two aft would allow for six arrays to be placed on target at a time. That is as many guns as a BoP and almost as many as an escort. Further there would be no trade off like the reduced firepower of the turrets most BoP, raptor and escort pilots rely on to optimize their frontal cone of death.
Even with FAW's accuracy bug getting "fixed," (seems to still be super accurate against cloaked ships), a FAW boat would be major trouble to most nimble ships especially the BoPs.
I just don't see Starfleet using sentient lives in fighters. That doesn't mean they would abandon carriers altogether.
Also the port and starboard weapons idea is great. Would love to see more ships with that design.
M.A.C.O. Escort Cruiser
OMEGA, Very rare and hard to obtain combined Special forces Carrier. costs 120 EDC and specific blueprints which do not drop often so it would be very unique. since omega fights the borg this would be great for fast action planetary rescue, since the borg could undoubtdly block transporters and shuttles would be to feeble to be able to land on planets in borg atmosphere, so an omega force fast strike carrier could be the solution.
Honor Guard Battlecruiser.
i know the MACO and Honor Guard arent detailed whatsoever but i cant think of something for them yet.
Hell no. They should abolish that terrible STF loot system and make the MXII armor sets obtainable some other way, not "add more fuel to the fire" by putting in more loot for it.
The ship ideas are quite nice, though.
Just because you don't want to do the endgame content, doesn't mean the rest of us don't!! :mad: Go rage in some other thread about your hate of the STF's