really? we do? All 6 Options over the Feds 6 options?
edit: Yes, shuttles are ships of the line as you have missions that call only for shuttles to completye them. Or did you somehow play the last FE in your Cruiser/Escort/Science Vessel? Did you not like your plethora of choices of shuttles for it?
edit: Several versions of the same ship is not what you are talking about? Then the Akira need not be made or the New Orleans or any vessel for the feds that can still be considered just a variation of existing vessels.
The fed side boils down to 3 versions, and the klingons 6.
Feds get Cruisers, escorts, and sci ships. Klingon's get Battle cruisers, birds of preys, escorts (raptors and destroyers.), two types of carriers, and a sci ship.
USS Enterprise (CVN-65), formerly CVA(N)-65, is the world's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier and the eighth US naval vessel to bear the name.... courtesy of Wikipedia. You can find more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28CVN-65%29
Chekov: [to a street cop] Excuse me, sir! Can you direct us to the naval base in Alameda? It's where they keep the nuclear wessels.
[He pauses, looks at Uhura, and tries again]
Chekov: *Nuclear wessels*
* * * * *
Chekov: Admiral. We have found the nuclear wessel.
Kirk: Well done, Team two.
Chekov: And Admiral... it is the *Enterprise*.
[Kirk and Spock look at each other]
Kirk: Understood.
USS Enterprise (CVN-65), formerly CVA(N)-65, is the world's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier and the eighth US naval vessel to bear the name.... courtesy of Wikipedia. You can find more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28CVN-65%29
Chekov: [to a street cop] Excuse me, sir! Can you direct us to the naval base in Alameda? It's where they keep the nuclear wessels.
[He pauses, looks at Uhura, and tries again]
Chekov: *Nuclear wessels*
* * * * *
Chekov: Admiral. We have found the nuclear wessel.
Kirk: Well done, Team two.
Chekov: And Admiral... it is the *Enterprise*.
[Kirk and Spock look at each other]
Kirk: Understood.
As for what specific race, it really does become difficult - because I'm stuck in the loop of the most logical form would be that of a Science Console - Holofighters; that would most likely end up available as part of some C-Store ship to continue the P2W scenario P2WE is intent on creating.
As for what specific race, it really does become difficult - because I'm stuck in the loop of the most logical form would be that of a Science Console - Holofighters; that would most likely end up available as part of some C-Store ship to continue the P2W scenario P2WE is intent on creating.
i would hate a console like that, i dont want some console to act as somewhat as a carrier, either they put in a carrier or they dont, i dont think something like that would please many...
i would hate a console like that, i dont want some console to act as somewhat as a carrier, either they put in a carrier or they dont, i dont think something like that would please many...
Do you even know what carriers give up to be carriers in this game?
i would hate a console like that, i dont want some console to act as somewhat as a carrier, either they put in a carrier or they dont, i dont think something like that would please many...
A Science Officer can already summon a holofleet. Ships all have holoemitters. The Federation values life more than the KDF. Etc, etc, etc - as far as reasons why a holo console might fit.
It would make more sense to have an I.S.S. carrier than to have a U.S.S. carrier.
Then again, an I.S.S. carrier could pop up as a Mirror Universe Lock Box, eh?
A Science Officer can already summon a holofleet. Ships all have holoemitters. The Federation values life more than the KDF. Etc, etc, etc - as far as reasons why a holo console might fit.
It would make more sense to have an I.S.S. carrier than to have a U.S.S. carrier.
Then again, an I.S.S. carrier could pop up as a Mirror Universe Lock Box, eh?
oh god no more lock boxes, but yes the federation values life, so do a lot of todays current navies, which also have carriers. and fighters in star trek online really arent that weak, i have a fleet escort with top gear on it and the things are pretty damn annoying. and they dont get like super one shotted too often either, so really if a fighter took a couple hits and was badly damaged, they are fast and maneuverable to return to the carrier for repairs.
oh god no more lock boxes, but yes the federation values life, so do a lot of todays current navies, which also have carriers. and fighters in star trek online really arent that weak, i have a fleet escort with top gear on it and the things are pretty damn annoying. and they dont get like super one shotted too often either, so really if a fighter took a couple hits and was badly damaged, they are fast and maneuverable to return to the carrier for repairs.
Tachyon Drones can take more damage than the fighters. Burst the fighters, watch them pop.
A VA in a Peregrine has 3x the hull of a LT in one. VA's won't be flying your fighters.
oh god no more lock boxes, but yes the federation values life, so do a lot of todays current navies, which also have carriers. and fighters in star trek online really arent that weak, i have a fleet escort with top gear on it and the things are pretty damn annoying. and they dont get like super one shotted too often either, so really if a fighter took a couple hits and was badly damaged, they are fast and maneuverable to return to the carrier for repairs.
Couple of hits?!?!?! I one shot fighters!!! They don't make it back to the carrier!!
Stop comparing space fighters to atmospheric fighters, they aren't the same thing!!
Couple of hits?!?!?! I one shot fighters!!! They don't make it back to the carrier!!
Stop comparing space fighters to atmospheric fighters, they aren't the same thing!!
im not comparing them, and i dont remember one mission it was but there was one where i wasnt one shotting them, although i cant remember if i was in a shuttle too myself or not, if i was comparing them to current fighters i would have just said, they are **** and can get like killed with half a shot, too easy to even one shot, but either way fighters are still a good viable tactic, although maybe we do need some new better fighters
The fed side boils down to 3 versions, and the klingons 6.
Feds get Cruisers, escorts, and sci ships. Klingon's get Battle cruisers, birds of preys, escorts (raptors and destroyers.), two types of carriers, and a sci ship.
Thats funny the feds get
A (Exploration Cruiser Retrofit ) with Saucer Seperation which is inline to the federation design phliosphy
A (Federation Dreadnought Cruiser) a Battle Cruiser variant with cloaking and a spinal lance
A (Tactical Escort Retrofit) The Defiant class from the genre complete with a cloak
A (Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit ) The abalative armor using Vessel from the end of Voyager
A (Multi-Vector Advanced Escort ) that can switch into 3-4 seperate ships as per the Genre
A (Odyssey Star Cruiser) a Flagship and Fleet dreadnought more than capable as a Battle Cruiser
How are you being left with less? You have the choices that makes sense from years of watching the genre grow and leaves you lacking in nothing and this process repeats as you go backwards down the ship choices even into T4. The federation has diversity that fits into the design ideology of the federation without becoming mish-mashed by bleeding ideas from other factions or races.
This is just like the KDF has thier choices that make sense to thier ideology of design and purpose in STO and makes the same amount of sense. Just becuase you think another faction ahs a better toy doesn't mean its neccassary to copy it to gain fulfillment. Or will you want a Diedrix as well like the Romulans have if they ever enter STO?
The funny thing about the federation is: Cryptic has barely touched the surfaces in Starships available to the Federation through the source material. Sure, they have most of the Starfleet ships in game, but there are at least twice as many Federation member race vessels available, including additional Vulcan Ships that should be involved in the defense of the Alpha Quadrant! That should mean exactly more ships for the Federation Faction in comparison to the Klingon Faction.
The fact that the Ambassador Class and Constellation Class are not in the game, yet the Miranda and Constitution Class are, is a joke. Whoever at PWE or Cryptic thinks that, that flies with the community is sorely mistaken! I encourage people to rather complain about getting those Canon ships, than some non-existent carrier.
Now with that said, adding a Catian Drone Carrier is plenty fair, and does not, in my opinion, violate Canon or the IP. Adding a Starfleet Carrier does, as humans are not in the business of dying for the glory of dying; while this fits perfectly with the Klingon warrior cast culture!!! Therefore, I do not think that Starfleet should ever get an exact equivalent to the Klingon Carrier, but I do think that the Federation should have access to Carrier type vessels used by member races.
I'll reiterate again what I posted earlier in this thread. Attack the post, not the poster.
I'll also remind people that the 'report post' function on these forums is for reporting posts that violate the forum rules, not for posts that you disagree with or that are posted by people you don't like!
I hope that after the Feds get a carrier it does not stop there. All factions should be continuously updated as the game progresses. I look forward to new KDF, Fed, and hopefully someday Romulan ships, and Klingon kitties.
I will repeat what has been stated earlier: I do not feel that a carrier is suitable for the Federation. Fighters do not appear to be all that effective and serve mostly, only as what in SFB we called 'attrition units,' that is, target spam. Distractions. Things to get blown up before the main ship gets attacked. Manned ablative armor. I can see Klingons trading combat effectiveness for 'ten seconds of more glory than you'll get behind the helm of a bird of prey,' but not the Federation. The Federation does not strike me as a society that would throw away lives like that but for desperate times such as in Sacrifice of Angels. I cannot see them deploying dedicated flatbed carriers to transport, service, launch, and recover a weapons system that is of dubious and marginal utility.
I'm with Roach on this one. If one wishes more diversity in Federation ships, then I can get behind that easily. More variety and diversity is good. But carriers to me simply do not fit the paradigm of the Federation.
This is not to say that the Feds won't want some way to transport fighters long distance; but seeing as fighters are so rarely deployed or used, and how large the shuttle bays are in most major Starfleet capital ships, (and ironically many of the same reasons why fighters are great in an atmosphere especially in relation to naval power, and not nearly as great in space,) I cannot see them as doing more than assigning fighters to 'casual' carriers. These ships would basically be given a load of Peregrines and told to take them to marshalling point, deploy and launch them, and then either wait for their return or join them. In this sittuation, there would be no dedicated flatbeds carrying 50+ fighters, but cruisers that happen to carry a handful of fighters instead of shuttles.
Obviously Cryptic is going to do what they wish. At that point discussion becomes moot. Until then this is my stance and opinion, one of N posters on this board.
The funny thing about the federation is: Cryptic has barely touched the surfaces in Starships available to the Federation through the source material.
Exactly with more to come to fill in the missing places. This gives them way more Diversity than any faction ingame and most likely any that will appear later.
Now with that said, adding a Catian Drone Carrier is plenty fair, and does not, in my opinion, violate Canon or the IP. Adding a Starfleet Carrier does, as humans are not in the business of dying for the glory of dying; while this fits perfectly with the Klingon warrior cast culture!!! Therefore, I do not think that Starfleet should ever get an exact equivalent to the Klingon Carrier, but I do think that the Federation should have access to Carrier type vessels used by member races.
I'm not against the carrier since its comming anyway and in a method that was used by the Devs to give us KDF science vessels. The Feds having the carrier no longer chaffes my ridges as much becuase I've accepted they will get what they want and for a price. I refuse to drink the cool-aid of "the feds have less Diversity" though becuase its not true at all and the belief that teh carrier class of vessels will fulfill that missing diversity is silly. Whats next? A Borg Cube? The Romulan Diedrix? V-ger?
That mindset I will fight against at all times.
Exactly with more to come to fill in the missing places. This gives them way more Diversity than any faction ingame and most likely any that will appear later.
I'm not against the carrier since its comming anyway and in a method that was used by the Devs to give us KDF science vessels. The Feds having the carrier no longer chaffes my ridges as much becuase I've accepted they will get what they want and for a price. I refuse to drink the cool-aid of "the feds have less Diversity" though becuase its not true at all. That mindset I will fight against at all times.
Oh, I completely agree with you the Federation having fewer Starship variations and options is laughable!
And, given the nature of the Federation being comprised of many worlds and civilizations, it is to be expected that they have a large diversity in Starships available from other member worlds in the defense of the Alpha quadrant.
Starfleet however, just doesnt fit the bill for being the ones to have, basically, aircraft Carriers. The Faction as a whole however is a totally different story!
Also, you forgot to mention that the Federation has the Vulcan ship that comes with a single support ship that you can launch from your ship. Not a carrier or flight deck carrier, but it is its own option altogether.
I'll reiterate again what I posted earlier in this thread. Attack the post, not the poster.
I'll also remind people that the 'report post' function on these forums is for reporting posts that violate the forum rules, not for posts that you disagree with or that are posted by people you don't like!
I am REALLY starting to like these community mods.
Like? Are they on Memory Alpha wiki? If so, let's see them.
Akira class. It was originally meant to be a carrier, they just never got to work that into its appearances. A T5 "Heavy Escort Retrofit" with a single fighter bay slot would be perfect IMO.
The USS Typhon (NX-85808) is a Typhon-class starship, in operation in the 24th century. Described by Captain Jean-Luc Picard as a "mobile outpost and carrier starship", the Typhon is a prototype vessel, capable of carrying 26 Valkyrie-class fighters, and armed with pulse phaser turrets and quantum torpedoes. During the Titan System Incident, the Typhon was commanded by Lieutenant Commander Worf, and was dispatched to the Titan system as an advanced scout.
...
The production model Type 1 Valkyrie assigned to Red Squad evolved as well.
Type 1a Valkyries were modified with technology taken from a captured Kam'Jahtae fighter. ("Rightful Masters")
Type 2 Valkyries - also known as Valor-class variants - had heavier armor and additional weapons systems, and shared similarities with the Orca, although two large outboard nacelles were added to the wings of the spaceframe in an E shape. These variants were upgraded to the more heavily armed type 2a shortly after their initial deployment.
Type 3 Valkyries were fitted with advanced weaponry and were a significant departure from types 1 and 2, with two pylons mounted on the forward hull reaching forward in a Y to two back curved nacelles bracketing the spaceframe . Type 3a Valkyries were deployed towards the end of the incident. An even more highly advanced Type 3a Valkyrie piloted by Ryan Cooper was successful in closing the Hur'q interspatial rift. ("End of Eternity")
Following the success of the Typhon's mission in the Titan system, the Valkyrie squadron was placed on active duty.
The purpose of a carrier is to launch a large amount of fighters and bombers. I've seen what a squadron of 8-12 fighters can do to a ship in this game. If your accuracy is poor, you'll have a tough time hitting them. Also, they carry torpedos AND Phasers. So they still pack a large punch in numbers.
A carrier would be nice, not those items that deploy scorpion fighters and only have 50 uses.
The purpose of a carrier is to launch a large amount of fighters and bombers. I've seen what a squadron of 8-12 fighters can do to a ship in this game. If your accuracy is poor, you'll have a tough time hitting them. Also, they carry torpedos AND Phasers. So they still pack a large punch in numbers.
A carrier would be nice, not those items that deploy scorpion fighters and only have 50 uses.
It could turn the tide of STFs for sure.
i completely agree, im sick of people in this thread repeatedly making the comparison of one fighter vs one capital ship, obviousl the larger ship would win, but when you have even 5-20 fighters hitting your target from all sides and them just shooting every which way trying to hit them then obviously the fighters are gonna do some major damage, especially if you had certain fighter type vessels designated as lets say 'bombers', you send out a couple waves of fighters get their shields right now then your 'bombers' could come out and to a strafing run with torpedos and then fly off back to the carrier.
Fighters have never in the entire time I've played this game, in PvP and PvE, taken one of my shields down, much less caused me any real damage to the hull.
Even the time 3 carriers unloaded ALL of their fighters on us.
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I keep shaking it to start over but that is the only response I get. Eerie really.
The fed side boils down to 3 versions, and the klingons 6.
Feds get Cruisers, escorts, and sci ships. Klingon's get Battle cruisers, birds of preys, escorts (raptors and destroyers.), two types of carriers, and a sci ship.
Adding a new ship type rather than model doesn't sound like something that shouldn't be available to people in pvp.
What race seems the most carrier like of all?
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And don't say the klingons they don't count
Humans. There's even hard canon for it. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.
please describe it?
USS Enterprise (CVN-65), formerly CVA(N)-65, is the world's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier and the eighth US naval vessel to bear the name.... courtesy of Wikipedia. You can find more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28CVN-65%29
Chekov: [to a street cop] Excuse me, sir! Can you direct us to the naval base in Alameda? It's where they keep the nuclear wessels.
[He pauses, looks at Uhura, and tries again]
Chekov: *Nuclear wessels*
* * * * *
Chekov: Admiral. We have found the nuclear wessel.
Kirk: Well done, Team two.
Chekov: And Admiral... it is the *Enterprise*.
[Kirk and Spock look at each other]
Kirk: Understood.
Tellarites
For some reason "Tellarite Carrier" sounds right. And if the Andorians get a ship, they'd be the only founding race lacking a rep ship
i would hate a console like that, i dont want some console to act as somewhat as a carrier, either they put in a carrier or they dont, i dont think something like that would please many...
Do you even know what carriers give up to be carriers in this game?
A Science Officer can already summon a holofleet. Ships all have holoemitters. The Federation values life more than the KDF. Etc, etc, etc - as far as reasons why a holo console might fit.
It would make more sense to have an I.S.S. carrier than to have a U.S.S. carrier.
Then again, an I.S.S. carrier could pop up as a Mirror Universe Lock Box, eh?
oh god no more lock boxes, but yes the federation values life, so do a lot of todays current navies, which also have carriers. and fighters in star trek online really arent that weak, i have a fleet escort with top gear on it and the things are pretty damn annoying. and they dont get like super one shotted too often either, so really if a fighter took a couple hits and was badly damaged, they are fast and maneuverable to return to the carrier for repairs.
Tachyon Drones can take more damage than the fighters. Burst the fighters, watch them pop.
A VA in a Peregrine has 3x the hull of a LT in one. VA's won't be flying your fighters.
Couple of hits?!?!?! I one shot fighters!!! They don't make it back to the carrier!!
Stop comparing space fighters to atmospheric fighters, they aren't the same thing!!
im not comparing them, and i dont remember one mission it was but there was one where i wasnt one shotting them, although i cant remember if i was in a shuttle too myself or not, if i was comparing them to current fighters i would have just said, they are **** and can get like killed with half a shot, too easy to even one shot, but either way fighters are still a good viable tactic, although maybe we do need some new better fighters
A (Exploration Cruiser Retrofit ) with Saucer Seperation which is inline to the federation design phliosphy
A (Federation Dreadnought Cruiser) a Battle Cruiser variant with cloaking and a spinal lance
A (Tactical Escort Retrofit) The Defiant class from the genre complete with a cloak
A (Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit ) The abalative armor using Vessel from the end of Voyager
A (Multi-Vector Advanced Escort ) that can switch into 3-4 seperate ships as per the Genre
A (Odyssey Star Cruiser) a Flagship and Fleet dreadnought more than capable as a Battle Cruiser
How are you being left with less? You have the choices that makes sense from years of watching the genre grow and leaves you lacking in nothing and this process repeats as you go backwards down the ship choices even into T4. The federation has diversity that fits into the design ideology of the federation without becoming mish-mashed by bleeding ideas from other factions or races.
This is just like the KDF has thier choices that make sense to thier ideology of design and purpose in STO and makes the same amount of sense. Just becuase you think another faction ahs a better toy doesn't mean its neccassary to copy it to gain fulfillment. Or will you want a Diedrix as well like the Romulans have if they ever enter STO?
The fact that the Ambassador Class and Constellation Class are not in the game, yet the Miranda and Constitution Class are, is a joke. Whoever at PWE or Cryptic thinks that, that flies with the community is sorely mistaken! I encourage people to rather complain about getting those Canon ships, than some non-existent carrier.
Now with that said, adding a Catian Drone Carrier is plenty fair, and does not, in my opinion, violate Canon or the IP. Adding a Starfleet Carrier does, as humans are not in the business of dying for the glory of dying; while this fits perfectly with the Klingon warrior cast culture!!! Therefore, I do not think that Starfleet should ever get an exact equivalent to the Klingon Carrier, but I do think that the Federation should have access to Carrier type vessels used by member races.
I'll also remind people that the 'report post' function on these forums is for reporting posts that violate the forum rules, not for posts that you disagree with or that are posted by people you don't like!
I'm with Roach on this one. If one wishes more diversity in Federation ships, then I can get behind that easily. More variety and diversity is good. But carriers to me simply do not fit the paradigm of the Federation.
This is not to say that the Feds won't want some way to transport fighters long distance; but seeing as fighters are so rarely deployed or used, and how large the shuttle bays are in most major Starfleet capital ships, (and ironically many of the same reasons why fighters are great in an atmosphere especially in relation to naval power, and not nearly as great in space,) I cannot see them as doing more than assigning fighters to 'casual' carriers. These ships would basically be given a load of Peregrines and told to take them to marshalling point, deploy and launch them, and then either wait for their return or join them. In this sittuation, there would be no dedicated flatbeds carrying 50+ fighters, but cruisers that happen to carry a handful of fighters instead of shuttles.
Obviously Cryptic is going to do what they wish. At that point discussion becomes moot. Until then this is my stance and opinion, one of N posters on this board.
I am REALLY starting to like these community mods.
Akira class. It was originally meant to be a carrier, they just never got to work that into its appearances. A T5 "Heavy Escort Retrofit" with a single fighter bay slot would be perfect IMO.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Invasion
The USS Typhon (NX-85808) is a Typhon-class starship, in operation in the 24th century. Described by Captain Jean-Luc Picard as a "mobile outpost and carrier starship", the Typhon is a prototype vessel, capable of carrying 26 Valkyrie-class fighters, and armed with pulse phaser turrets and quantum torpedoes. During the Titan System Incident, the Typhon was commanded by Lieutenant Commander Worf, and was dispatched to the Titan system as an advanced scout.
...
The production model Type 1 Valkyrie assigned to Red Squad evolved as well.
Type 1a Valkyries were modified with technology taken from a captured Kam'Jahtae fighter. ("Rightful Masters")
Type 2 Valkyries - also known as Valor-class variants - had heavier armor and additional weapons systems, and shared similarities with the Orca, although two large outboard nacelles were added to the wings of the spaceframe in an E shape. These variants were upgraded to the more heavily armed type 2a shortly after their initial deployment.
Type 3 Valkyries were fitted with advanced weaponry and were a significant departure from types 1 and 2, with two pylons mounted on the forward hull reaching forward in a Y to two back curved nacelles bracketing the spaceframe . Type 3a Valkyries were deployed towards the end of the incident. An even more highly advanced Type 3a Valkyrie piloted by Ryan Cooper was successful in closing the Hur'q interspatial rift. ("End of Eternity")
Following the success of the Typhon's mission in the Titan system, the Valkyrie squadron was placed on active duty.
The purpose of a carrier is to launch a large amount of fighters and bombers. I've seen what a squadron of 8-12 fighters can do to a ship in this game. If your accuracy is poor, you'll have a tough time hitting them. Also, they carry torpedos AND Phasers. So they still pack a large punch in numbers.
A carrier would be nice, not those items that deploy scorpion fighters and only have 50 uses.
It could turn the tide of STFs for sure.
i completely agree, im sick of people in this thread repeatedly making the comparison of one fighter vs one capital ship, obviousl the larger ship would win, but when you have even 5-20 fighters hitting your target from all sides and them just shooting every which way trying to hit them then obviously the fighters are gonna do some major damage, especially if you had certain fighter type vessels designated as lets say 'bombers', you send out a couple waves of fighters get their shields right now then your 'bombers' could come out and to a strafing run with torpedos and then fly off back to the carrier.
Even the time 3 carriers unloaded ALL of their fighters on us.