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On any other issue being discussed this much Brandon would tell us he had added it to his list of feedback, but on the galor spam he is completely silent?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    This isn't the first time, just the biggest.

    It doesn't really surprise me, especially with the now open possibility that a large percentage of these messages are outright lies.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I could say the same about the RP thread I posted, too. They respond when it suits them. He knows going into the Galor thread is just going to entice people to pounce, so what's the point of wading in there to face the mob? They're making money, that's what counts.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Remember the previous 'scandals' that started like this. There will be no response for a while as the different departments don't know what each other thinks. While the devs may agree with the populus or not, this is a marketing scheme, really, and its usually them that has to face the mob.

    Remember the uproar over the per character items, three days for a reply.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sprint01 wrote:
    I could say the same about the RP thread I posted, too. They respond when it suits them. He knows going into the Galor thread is just going to entice people to pounce, so what's the point of wading in there to face the mob? They're making money, that's what counts.

    Because the latter is ultimately contingent upon the former.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    paddoxx wrote: »
    Remember the previous 'scandals' that started like this. There will be no response for a while as the different departments don't know what each other thinks.

    BS. It's not a bug. Product launches are carefully coordinated.
    Sock-puppet forum responses are part of the plan.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    He's probably silent because it's probably not going to stop. That's what they normally do to issues we don't like that their not going to change, is ignore it.

    I would say some people seeing all those advertisements for people getting Galors. Will make them spend money thinking they can get one too.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Englebert wrote:
    He's probably silent because it's probably not going to stop. That's what they normally do to issues we don't like that their not going to change, is ignore it.

    I would say some people seeing all those advertisements for people getting Galors. Will make them spend money thinking they can get one too.

    But isnt his job to be the communicator between the players and Devs? Regardless of what happens he should be acknowledging our feedback and telling us he is going to talk to them about it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    He was probably told not to respond on it, cause this is apparently an issue they are ignoring their own community feedback on, and going to do what they want, no matter what. Cryptic has become entirely disconnected from its own community of players.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    But isnt his job to be the communicator between the players and Devs? Regardless of what happens he should be acknowledging our feedback and telling us he is going to talk to them about it.

    No. Its his job to pretend he cares in the futile hope it will shut some of us up.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    i read somewhere that it was cryptic just pointing out "hey look at this wizard" whenever they won a ship.
    Not much of a congratulations but pointing out there fallibility.
    I can't seem to find the exact reference to it but it makes more sence than anything else i can think of.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    But isnt his job to be the communicator between the players and Devs? Regardless of what happens he should be acknowledging our feedback and telling us he is going to talk to them about it.

    While true, he's also an employee of Cryptic studios now. He got a dream job, I doubt he's going to disobey the bosses if they tell him to leave it be. Besides, he's still low man on the totem pole over there. He's only been with Cryptic for what, two months?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    On any other issue being discussed this much Brandon would tell us he had added it to his list of feedback, but on the galor spam he is completely silent?

    Don't expect him to. This reeks of one of those situations where they don't give a TRIBBLE what the community thinks.

    It's playing out much like when they refused to comment on their rationale behind burying the PvE button in a drop-down menu and putting a second STORE button next to the STORE button that was already there (at least until the rage hit a boiling point and some limp-wristed promise about moving it back was made).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Arn't there laws governing false advertising in relation to the ship winner announcements, or does that also not apply to the gaming industry as gambling laws also seem to have a gaping hole in them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    "Added to my list of feedback" does not equate to "I"ll fix this at the first available opportunity."

    All he can do is communicate our displeasure to the higher ups in some hope that someone higher than him will take pity on our cause. Which, if recent complaints are any indication, will not be likely.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    MECHTECH09 wrote: »
    Arn't there laws governing false advertising in relation to the ship winner announcements, or does that also not apply to the gaming industry as gambling laws also seem to have a gaping hole in them.

    Prove it's false advertisement.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sprint01 wrote:
    While true, he's also an employee of Cryptic studios now. He got a dream job, I doubt he's going to disobey the bosses if they tell him to leave it be. Besides, he's still low man on the totem pole over there. He's only been with Cryptic for what, two months?

    That doesnt really make sense though. Even if they are going to ignore it and do nothing, why not at least give the appearance that the community guy is taking our feedback to them?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sprint01 wrote:
    While true, he's also an employee of Cryptic studios now. He got a dream job, I doubt he's going to disobey the bosses if they tell him to leave it be. Besides, he's still low man on the totem pole over there. He's only been with Cryptic for what, two months?

    This is an example of the "Evil King's Advisor" fallacy.
    It is one of the oldest, most commonly practiced, and most successful fallacies.

    The argument runs that the King is a "good guy", therefore, any evil committed in his name must be due to faceless, unspecified malefactors (the "Evil Advisor") that the good King "would like" to stop but "can't".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    paddoxx wrote: »
    Remember the previous 'scandals' that started like this. There will be no response for a while as the different departments don't know what each other thinks. While the devs may agree with the populus or not, this is a marketing scheme, really, and its usually them that has to face the mob.

    Remember the uproar over the per character items, three days for a reply.

    I agree. I'd rather a well-rounded reply than a few inconsistant and irrelevant "added to my list" comments. They are in turtle-mode.
    aestu wrote:
    BS. It's not a bug. Product launches are carefully coordinated.
    Sock-puppet forum responses are part of the plan.

    Heretic already admitted he has been keeping his head down on his own tasks of late, not noticing some of the particulars of other goings-on. There seems to not have been any office briefing or newsletter on how things would be rolling out. So now they will likely release a statement late tonight and let us mull it over the weekend (heaven help the community moderators) or on Monday after a meeting.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    That doesnt really make sense though. Even if they are going to ignore it and do nothing, why not at least give the appearance that the community guy is taking our feedback to them?

    I don't know, I don't work for Cryptic. I can't fathom their motivations or business decisions. What I do know is this:

    The lower our odds of winning an item, the more likely we are to spend exhorbent amounts of money in order to obtain it. Why? Because everyone here in some form or another wants to be a unique and special snowflake. No one wants to have the mundane and the common. Everyone wants the unique and rare.

    When the Galaxy-X was only obtainable through the referral system, people sat twitching when a GalX flew by. Then Cryptic found out that they could charge 25 bucks a pop for the ship, and what happened? Hundreds of Galaxy-X class ships were plying the space lanes.

    Then it was the Jem Hadar ship, which is even more rare and more unique and special. It's the low drop rates that drive us on to spend insane amounts of money. At the end of the day, we can sit here and complain about how it's unfair and cheap and mean of Cryptic... but they are using basic psychology. It's making them money, which is any company's chief and only goal.

    So we have a choice, like anything else. Play, or don't. It's that simple, and that difficult. We can take our chances to win that unique and awesomesause Cruiser, or Escort... and perhaps lose a lot of real world money. Or, we can bite back our natural desire to stand out and be special and save our hard earned money.

    In the state of the current economy, I know which decision I'm making. Sure, I tossed in a couple bucks to try my luck, but I'm not tossing good money after bad.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    On any other issue being discussed this much Brandon would tell us he had added it to his list of feedback, but on the galor spam he is completely silent?

    And this surprises anyone how? Honestly I think his list of feedback is nothing more than file 13 for the janitor to take out at night.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sprint01 wrote:
    I don't know, I don't work for Cryptic. I can't fathom their motivations or business decisions. What I do know is this:

    I agree with all of that, but it has nothing ta all to do with the subject of this thread, which is them responding to our feedback.
    Surfrider wrote:
    And this surprises anyone how? Honestly I think his list of feedback is nothing more than file 13 for the janitor to take out at night.

    Well he needs his job.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    He was probably told not to respond on it, cause this is apparently an issue they are ignoring their own community feedback on, and going to do what they want, no matter what. Cryptic has become entirely disconnected from its own community of players.

    Sad and true.....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    nynik wrote:
    Heretic already admitted he has been keeping his head down on his own tasks of late, not noticing some of the particulars of other goings-on. There seems to not have been any office briefing or newsletter on how things would be rolling out. So now they will likely release a statement late tonight and let us mull it over the weekend (heaven help the community moderators) or on Monday after a meeting.
    This is an example of the "Evil King's Advisor" fallacy.
    It is one of the oldest, most commonly practiced, and most successful fallacies.

    The argument runs that the King is a "good guy", therefore, any evil committed in his name must be due to faceless, unspecified malefactors (the "Evil Advisor") that the good King "would like" to stop but "can't".

    Like I said...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I cannot remember the last time they actually took out feedback and listened to it.

    I am not surprised one bit that nothing is being said on the issue, just add it to all the other times where they were silent, rather than working with us...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I agree with all of that, but it has nothing ta all to do with the subject of this thread, which is them responding to our feedback.

    Like I said, he's probably been told to keep his head down and not to touch it. Or, conversely he's just not gotten around to it yet. It's been 24 hours since this new bock promotion went live, isn't it? We'll see what happens. He might have other tasks on his plate.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    he tends to use it more on smaller topics that people might not feel are being looked at.

    do you honestly think the devs are unaware of this topic?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    And this among other things is why I invested $80 on ToR. Once Cryptic gets their act together...I can resume my ship (no bug or galor unless they are available from C-Store) collecting here. Til then, no money from me Cryptic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    On any other issue being discussed this much Brandon would tell us he had added it to his list of feedback, but on the galor spam he is completely silent?
    Because it's an area he may possibly be forbidden to speak on until D'Angelo comes out with a statement.

    This is more top-down management than years past.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Because it's an area he may possibly be forbidden to speak on until D'Angelo comes out with a statement.

    This is more top-down management than years past.

    Yes, others in this thread have already said that. It just doesnt make sense:

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=4009062#post4009062
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Oh it makes sense, don't ever doubt that he has strings and upper management that control those strings. They step up when needed and yank those strings back. We all have to obey our superiors, or else lose our jobs, and he certainly has superiors. It is blatantly obvious they are keeping him from responding on this issue. He may be on our side, but management is not.
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