Here's a revolutionary idea... I realize it doesn't follow the rules of acquisition, but it will end the drop box rage:
Let us choose whether to accept the prize in the box, or decline it for a full (or even partial) cpoint refund, or the master key back. either way, the box is consumed.
This makes so much sense it must be immediately discarded without thought and you OP must be put under house arrest for your own "safety" by the Devs. We can't have your "ideas" go against the rules of acquisition.:p
Dammit! I knew I should have kept my common-sense spewing mouth shut...
I just figured that since I already have a few of the items being given away, (the ds9 uniforms, the crossfire tribble), i shouldn't have to accept these as "prizes"
I have no problem spending cpoints on the keys, but the last thing I want is to spend a hundred cpoints on a key, and win something I already own. Sure I could sell it on the exchange, but if that's the route we're taking, just put up a Cpoint to EC converter console and be done with it.
Dev's - Ignore that last sentence... I WAS BEING SARCASTIC!
I realy do not get why its so hard for people to understand they have to make money plain and simple , its how they pay there devs light bills and all that good stuff, and they have to make a profit. it they dont make money then we wont have a game to play.
Here's a revolutionary idea... I realize it doesn't follow the rules of acquisition, but it will end the drop box rage:
Let us choose whether to accept the prize in the box, or decline it for a full (or even partial) cpoint refund, or the master key back. either way, the box is consumed.
Thoughts?
The problem with this is people would keep buying and returning boxes until they get the Cardassian ship. This means diminished money for Cryptic (and they DO need to play the bills...even going F2P).
I would expect to see an "unwanted item to GPL conversion" similar to what existed at the holiday event. That way you can turn that "unwanted stuff" into something else. (Albiet GPL, which is also somewhat unwanted...but maybe we'll have some stuff to buy with it in the future!)
Just my thought! As a consumer, I love the idea of being able to return the item...but it's antithetical to the whole "grab bag" concept in general and would mean Cryptic would need to charge more-per-box to offset that.
I realy do not get why its so hard for people to understand they have to make money plain and simple , its how they pay there devs light bills and all that good stuff, and they have to make a profit. it they dont make money then we wont have a game to play.
Agree they do have to make money, I want STO to be successful... but there are better ways... Make a GOOD product, good story, compelling reasons to subscribe and keep subscribed, if you make it (good) they will come and pay to stay. This carrot-on-a-stick (or is it just a holo-carrot??) it will cost 100cpnts (approx $1) to even try to reach for it....
The more drop-boxes they sell to suckers the more development money there will be and a longer game life! Put one carbonfrozen Jim Kirk in a drop-box and make some money. That I would pay for!
Since Cryptic has to make money, I might buy a nice new ship unlock, which will benefit several of my captains, after discarding my first 30 boxes. :cool:
I realy do not get why its so hard for people to understand they have to make money plain and simple , its how they pay there devs light bills and all that good stuff, and they have to make a profit. it they dont make money then we wont have a game to play.
And where do you think the subscription money goes... charity?
The more drop-boxes they sell to suckers the more development money there will be and a longer game life! Put one carbonfrozen Jim Kirk in a drop-box and make some money. That I would pay for!
They're not selling the drop boxes, they are selling keys to open the drop boxes. The drop boxes are going to be earned as loot. you can only open the boxes you find as a drop. not only am I forced to grind for boxes, I also am forced to pay to OPEN those same boxes. It's similar to the holiday event, only I CAN'T just buy the boxes, I must run the race as well for each box I want. Even if I get 50 cpoints back for declining a box, that 50% refund would go a long way towards making me feel better about spending the cpoints on the keys in the first place...
I realy do not get why its so hard for people to understand they have to make money plain and simple , its how they pay there devs light bills and all that good stuff, and they have to make a profit. it they dont make money then we wont have a game to play.
Then put the ship on the C-Store, plain and simple. Those that want it, will buy it. Those that don't, won't. Same with the consoles.
Agree they do have to make money, I want STO to be successful... but there are better ways... Make a GOOD product, good story, compelling reasons to subscribe and keep subscribed, if you make it (good) they will come and pay to stay. This carrot-on-a-stick (or is it just a holo-carrot??) it will cost 100cpnts (approx $1) to even try to reach for it....
-Cheers
I agree 100% but they are own by an eastern company now and they do it weay different then we do in the western part, and they make big money over these grab box stuff, and well they have to do it like the boss says, hence why do you think gold members have very few perks cause pw main concern are the f2p players, and the amount of money they can get from them.
Then put the ship on the C-Store, plain and simple. Those that want it, will buy it. Those that don't, won't. Same with the consoles.
They cant put the ship on cstore cbs wont let them cause its a cross faction ship but they will let them put it in game in a limited quantaty, so this is how they have to do it.
And where do you think the subscription money goes... charity?
they make more money from f2p then the subsciption players, dont get me wrong i am a gold member and have been playing for 2 years now , but its the nature of the beast as they say lol
Cryptic made a boatload of money off of the holiday boxes. Where is the content this bought?
The only thing Cryptic has spent money developing lately is more ways to make money. Anyone who thinks that the money they make from this latest scam will be spent on content is deluding themselves.
This newest influx of money will pay for art assets for the next drop box & the rest will go in the owners pockets.
I realy do not get why its so hard for people to understand they have to make money plain and simple
and I don't get why its so hard for people to understand the concept of there being right and wrong ways to make money.
Let us choose whether to accept the prize in the box, or decline it for a full (or even partial) cpoint refund, or the master key back. either way, the box is consumed.
that makes no sense at all and would negate the basic concept of a lottery box
they make more money from f2p then the subsciption players
no. in theory they make more money from f2p than subscription. however that assumes that they have a setup that doesn't rip people off and that encourages people to want to spend money
and I don't get why its so hard for people to understand the concept of there being right and wrong ways to make money.
Well, if people hadn't spent thousands of dollars trying to get the Jem'Hadar Bug during the winter event, Cryptic/PW's accounting team may not think that having more 'box drops' would be profitable. Right and wrong don't come into it. This is Perfect Ferenginar we are talking about. Profit is all that matters.
At least this time they are putting the boxes in game for us to do with what we want.
no. in theory they make more money from f2p than subscription. however that assumes that they have a setup that doesn't rip people off and that encourages people to want to spend money
And if they didn't, they wouldn't have been able to buy Cryptic, would they? Where would STO be then?
I realy do not get why its so hard for people to understand they have to make money plain and simple , its how they pay there devs light bills and all that good stuff, and they have to make a profit. it they dont make money then we wont have a game to play.
I'd rather play a game that has been developed with content, makes little money and goes out of buisness in 6 months than to play a game that has no content, is on life support through microtransactions and just struggles along the way with constant problems. Why? Because people will always remember that game that had a special place in people's mind. This game currently does not for me.
You see any gaming sites, etc talking about this game? No, doesn't exist. Never will unless PWE & Cryptic philosophy of " Take their money and run " ends and actually develop content but most importantly talks to their consumers, which they never do. I could write a book and become a best seller of the problems that has happend in beta to now with this game. That's how bad most people do not realize it.
Things are never going to change. Cryptic doesn't listen, they don't care. People on the forums give Gozer and the Cryptic team too much credit. WAY too much. " OMG I'm jumping for joy over a new outfit! YEA! WOOHOO!!! " Really? Get real people. Stop living in denial and wake up.
This game should have never been released until at the earliest 2014. 4 years behind schedule from 2010.
People just never learn which I find refreshing. That's pretty much how I feel about all this right now.
and I don't get why its so hard for people to understand the concept of there being right and wrong ways to make money.
that makes no sense at all and would negate the basic concept of a lottery box
no. in theory they make more money from f2p than subscription. however that assumes that they have a setup that doesn't rip people off and that encourages people to want to spend money
its way more then theory PW has been doing it a long time this way in the east and they will here too.
I'd rather play a game that has been developed with content, makes little money and goes out of buisness in 6 months than to play a game that has no content, is on life support through microtransactions and just struggles along. Why? Because people will always remember that game that had a special place in people's mind. This game currently does not for me.
You see any gaming sites, etc talking about this game? No, doesn't exist. Never will unless PWE & Cryptic philosphy of " Take their money and run " ends and actually develop content but most importantly talks to their consumers, which they never do. I could write a book and become a best seller of the problems that has happend in beta to now with this game. That's how bad most people do not realize it.
Things are never going to change. Cryptic doesn't listen, they don't care. People on the forums give Gozer and the Cryptic team too much credit. WAY too much. " OMG I'm jumping for joy over a new outfit! YEA! WOOHOO!!! " Really? Get real people. Stop living in denial and wake up.
This game should have never been released until at the earliest 2014. 4 years behind schedule.
Well as a star trek fan from the begining i wouldnt i rather have the game alot longer then 6 months, its not going to end PW owns it now and have opened it up to there part of the world it will keep on because it will make money , like it or not its how it is you can eather play it or go play another game no one is makeing you play , and if a game bothered me that much i go play something else and wouldnt waist my time worring about it .
Only one thing will stop the drop boxes from being put in the game. DO NOT BUY THEM!
I don't EVER buy anything from this game period. The drop rate of the boxes for the new ship will be less than 0.10% based on my current estimate formula from the Jem'Hadar ship rip-off. Another Jem'Hadar cash grabbing marketing rip-off this Galor class ship will be. Can't wait to see the forums fill with posts with people complaining about I spent $100, $500, $2000 and never got anything.
I love how the community here has this idea that Cryptic has some sort of eldritch machine in their basement that directly transmutes money into content instantaneously.
It's rather amusing to see how few people understand the lure of the gamble.
Pretty much every MMO, be they free to play or pay per month, all have the same concept. Birthday boxes that give rare drops and what not are insanely common and, in this case, simply takes on a similar vein to what has already been going on in, say, Team Fortress 2 for months (along with other games). So you get some boxes. If you don't want them, throw them away. Case closed. If you want to see what's inside the box, you fork over 100 CP, as people obviously did with the winter boxes, and they see what comes out of it. You win some, you lose some. That's the nature of the beast. Some people rather enjoy that little thrill of not knowing what'll come out, hoping that it'll be something sweet when they already know that, statistically speaking, it'll likely be something less so. There are two cities in the US alone built on the entire concept of people coming in and throwing their money at casinos just to see if they can be the one to beat the odds.
Complaining about the merits of being capitalists when they are, in fact, a business seems like a rather foolish notion, considering that it is those dollars that go toward the company (in supplement to both micro-transactions from the store and subscriptions alike) and give them a continued fund to keep the thing going. After all, as much as people complain about the money and time they've spent, it wouldn't mean much if the game closed down, would it?
It works out to be a very simple solution: if you do not want what's in the box, do not buy the key for opening the box.
Why not simply put a big batch* of dilithium as a "second choice" into every drop box? It would be an alternative to getting something one allready has or cannot use, but would still be too costly to be abused.
* gives with average DE rates ~50% of the spent C-points back.
and I don't get why its so hard for people to understand the concept of there being right and wrong ways to make money.
This is really the core of the argument right there.
Is it wrong to produce a product that people will buy a ton of just because there is a slim chance of getting something they really want?
If you think there is nothing wrong with that well happy hunting.
If you think there is something wrong with that, well you won't see this post because you must already be boycotting the game over they sale of DOff packs.
Only one thing will stop the drop boxes from being put in the game. DO NOT BUY THEM!
Not true.
Your best chance of stopping this trend is to discard the boxes when they drop in game and never buy any keys from the C-Store.
Most people that hate this concept will still put the boxes on the exchange because they aren't interested.
That doesn't help really because they still get opened by someone.
I'm sure they will be keeping track of how many boxes are being opened vs how many dropped.
Now this will be complicated by people like me who don't care, and will sell the boxes on the exchange. With that in mind I think the best protest here for people really up set over the whole thing is this. Pick a day and band together farming these boxes. Maybe if you could get enough of these boxes to drop without being used at all it would really make your point better. As it stands people tend to complain about this sort of thing and then spend money on it anyway.
I like capitalism but the main core problems of it all is human nature. We like money, greed and power. We as human beings are trying to TRIBBLE over the next guy who is trying to TRIBBLE over the next guy and the next guy and the next guy. Hopefully society changes in about 500 years out of this mind state but don't expect it the next 100 years. We're bearly out of the jungle people. It's so fragile right now it could snap like a potato chip.
There are two types of captialism. Honest Capitalism and Deceptive Capitalism.
Honest Capitalism is EXTREMELY rare is world of buisness. Main theme is involded making money through honest means buy almost never grow into big companies. I would estimate it happens around 1 to 5% of the total world's businesses.
Deceptive Capitalism is the most widespread and accepted of them all. Always trying new ways to get the customer to buy stuff they really don't need. Involves with scamming, overhyping a product, Buy this and you get this free just pay S&H, when ANYTHING is free, it really means it's included in the price and they don't tell you. Always keep that in mind. They always grow into multimillion or billion dollar companies. Perfect example is oil companies with propaganda advertisements on TV. I would estimate around 95% of the total world's businesses.
Common sense people....common sense. Think about it for a minute.
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I just figured that since I already have a few of the items being given away, (the ds9 uniforms, the crossfire tribble), i shouldn't have to accept these as "prizes"
I have no problem spending cpoints on the keys, but the last thing I want is to spend a hundred cpoints on a key, and win something I already own. Sure I could sell it on the exchange, but if that's the route we're taking, just put up a Cpoint to EC converter console and be done with it.
Dev's - Ignore that last sentence... I WAS BEING SARCASTIC!
The problem is, it is a droppable. I would suggest a simpler solution:
Make the keys Very Rare dropables as well. This makes it semi-fair and puts it in-line with respectable, western-styled MMOs.
The problem with this is people would keep buying and returning boxes until they get the Cardassian ship. This means diminished money for Cryptic (and they DO need to play the bills...even going F2P).
I would expect to see an "unwanted item to GPL conversion" similar to what existed at the holiday event. That way you can turn that "unwanted stuff" into something else. (Albiet GPL, which is also somewhat unwanted...but maybe we'll have some stuff to buy with it in the future!)
Just my thought! As a consumer, I love the idea of being able to return the item...but it's antithetical to the whole "grab bag" concept in general and would mean Cryptic would need to charge more-per-box to offset that.
Agree they do have to make money, I want STO to be successful... but there are better ways... Make a GOOD product, good story, compelling reasons to subscribe and keep subscribed, if you make it (good) they will come and pay to stay. This carrot-on-a-stick (or is it just a holo-carrot??) it will cost 100cpnts (approx $1) to even try to reach for it....
-Cheers
And where do you think the subscription money goes... charity?
They're not selling the drop boxes, they are selling keys to open the drop boxes. The drop boxes are going to be earned as loot. you can only open the boxes you find as a drop. not only am I forced to grind for boxes, I also am forced to pay to OPEN those same boxes. It's similar to the holiday event, only I CAN'T just buy the boxes, I must run the race as well for each box I want. Even if I get 50 cpoints back for declining a box, that 50% refund would go a long way towards making me feel better about spending the cpoints on the keys in the first place...
Then put the ship on the C-Store, plain and simple. Those that want it, will buy it. Those that don't, won't. Same with the consoles.
I agree 100% but they are own by an eastern company now and they do it weay different then we do in the western part, and they make big money over these grab box stuff, and well they have to do it like the boss says, hence why do you think gold members have very few perks cause pw main concern are the f2p players, and the amount of money they can get from them.
They cant put the ship on cstore cbs wont let them cause its a cross faction ship but they will let them put it in game in a limited quantaty, so this is how they have to do it.
they make more money from f2p then the subsciption players, dont get me wrong i am a gold member and have been playing for 2 years now , but its the nature of the beast as they say lol
The only thing Cryptic has spent money developing lately is more ways to make money. Anyone who thinks that the money they make from this latest scam will be spent on content is deluding themselves.
This newest influx of money will pay for art assets for the next drop box & the rest will go in the owners pockets.
and I don't get why its so hard for people to understand the concept of there being right and wrong ways to make money.
that makes no sense at all and would negate the basic concept of a lottery box
no. in theory they make more money from f2p than subscription. however that assumes that they have a setup that doesn't rip people off and that encourages people to want to spend money
Well, if people hadn't spent thousands of dollars trying to get the Jem'Hadar Bug during the winter event, Cryptic/PW's accounting team may not think that having more 'box drops' would be profitable. Right and wrong don't come into it. This is Perfect Ferenginar we are talking about. Profit is all that matters.
At least this time they are putting the boxes in game for us to do with what we want.
And if they didn't, they wouldn't have been able to buy Cryptic, would they? Where would STO be then?
I'd rather play a game that has been developed with content, makes little money and goes out of buisness in 6 months than to play a game that has no content, is on life support through microtransactions and just struggles along the way with constant problems. Why? Because people will always remember that game that had a special place in people's mind. This game currently does not for me.
You see any gaming sites, etc talking about this game? No, doesn't exist. Never will unless PWE & Cryptic philosophy of " Take their money and run " ends and actually develop content but most importantly talks to their consumers, which they never do. I could write a book and become a best seller of the problems that has happend in beta to now with this game. That's how bad most people do not realize it.
Things are never going to change. Cryptic doesn't listen, they don't care. People on the forums give Gozer and the Cryptic team too much credit. WAY too much. " OMG I'm jumping for joy over a new outfit! YEA! WOOHOO!!! " Really? Get real people. Stop living in denial and wake up.
This game should have never been released until at the earliest 2014. 4 years behind schedule from 2010.
People just never learn which I find refreshing. That's pretty much how I feel about all this right now.
its way more then theory PW has been doing it a long time this way in the east and they will here too.
Well as a star trek fan from the begining i wouldnt i rather have the game alot longer then 6 months, its not going to end PW owns it now and have opened it up to there part of the world it will keep on because it will make money , like it or not its how it is you can eather play it or go play another game no one is makeing you play , and if a game bothered me that much i go play something else and wouldnt waist my time worring about it .
I don't EVER buy anything from this game period. The drop rate of the boxes for the new ship will be less than 0.10% based on my current estimate formula from the Jem'Hadar ship rip-off. Another Jem'Hadar cash grabbing marketing rip-off this Galor class ship will be. Can't wait to see the forums fill with posts with people complaining about I spent $100, $500, $2000 and never got anything.
Pretty much every MMO, be they free to play or pay per month, all have the same concept. Birthday boxes that give rare drops and what not are insanely common and, in this case, simply takes on a similar vein to what has already been going on in, say, Team Fortress 2 for months (along with other games). So you get some boxes. If you don't want them, throw them away. Case closed. If you want to see what's inside the box, you fork over 100 CP, as people obviously did with the winter boxes, and they see what comes out of it. You win some, you lose some. That's the nature of the beast. Some people rather enjoy that little thrill of not knowing what'll come out, hoping that it'll be something sweet when they already know that, statistically speaking, it'll likely be something less so. There are two cities in the US alone built on the entire concept of people coming in and throwing their money at casinos just to see if they can be the one to beat the odds.
Complaining about the merits of being capitalists when they are, in fact, a business seems like a rather foolish notion, considering that it is those dollars that go toward the company (in supplement to both micro-transactions from the store and subscriptions alike) and give them a continued fund to keep the thing going. After all, as much as people complain about the money and time they've spent, it wouldn't mean much if the game closed down, would it?
It works out to be a very simple solution: if you do not want what's in the box, do not buy the key for opening the box.
* gives with average DE rates ~50% of the spent C-points back.
This is really the core of the argument right there.
Is it wrong to produce a product that people will buy a ton of just because there is a slim chance of getting something they really want?
If you think there is nothing wrong with that well happy hunting.
If you think there is something wrong with that, well you won't see this post because you must already be boycotting the game over they sale of DOff packs.
Not true.
Your best chance of stopping this trend is to discard the boxes when they drop in game and never buy any keys from the C-Store.
Most people that hate this concept will still put the boxes on the exchange because they aren't interested.
That doesn't help really because they still get opened by someone.
I'm sure they will be keeping track of how many boxes are being opened vs how many dropped.
Now this will be complicated by people like me who don't care, and will sell the boxes on the exchange. With that in mind I think the best protest here for people really up set over the whole thing is this. Pick a day and band together farming these boxes. Maybe if you could get enough of these boxes to drop without being used at all it would really make your point better. As it stands people tend to complain about this sort of thing and then spend money on it anyway.
There are two types of captialism. Honest Capitalism and Deceptive Capitalism.
Honest Capitalism is EXTREMELY rare is world of buisness. Main theme is involded making money through honest means buy almost never grow into big companies. I would estimate it happens around 1 to 5% of the total world's businesses.
Deceptive Capitalism is the most widespread and accepted of them all. Always trying new ways to get the customer to buy stuff they really don't need. Involves with scamming, overhyping a product, Buy this and you get this free just pay S&H, when ANYTHING is free, it really means it's included in the price and they don't tell you. Always keep that in mind. They always grow into multimillion or billion dollar companies. Perfect example is oil companies with propaganda advertisements on TV. I would estimate around 95% of the total world's businesses.
Common sense people....common sense. Think about it for a minute.
Which model do you think Cryptic & PWE follows?