I noticed That there is No Constellation Class (Stargazer) or Ambassador Class (Enterprise-C) Starships! Why don`t They have these 2 Classes included in The Ship Category?
Ambassador class has been on "the list" for over a year now I think...but man, did that Odyssey spring to life fast...just took a while to make it in game. :rolleyes:
Ambassador class has been on "the list" for over a year now I think...but man, did that Odyssey spring to life fast...just took a while to make it in game. :rolleyes:
As something they could tout as the biggest and baddest PWE was thinking of the C-Store sales, so it got priority. As a niche interest ship loved by a few, the Ambassador does not indicate C-Store sales nearly as much, and so it has been on the back-burner. Same goes for the Constellation, the Kumari, the New Orleans, the Soyuz, and the Niagara.
Ambassador class has been on "the list" for over a year now I think...but man, did that Odyssey spring to life fast...just took a while to make it in game. :rolleyes:
well you have to remember that for the last year cryptic have been in a strangle hold under Atari who had basically put them in stasis so be thankful the game is still up. i am sure the ships will come but they are still recovering from having half there staff laid off.
so patients and i am sure all will come in time
As something they could tout as the biggest and baddest PWE was thinking of the C-Store sales, so it got priority. As a niche interest ship loved by a few, the Ambassador does not indicate C-Store sales nearly as much, and so it has been on the back-burner. Same goes for the Constellation, the Kumari, the New Orleans, the Soyuz, and the Niagara.
yeah sadly. But they all should be in there. As well as a hell of a lot more KDF ships. AKA Nausican. Orion, Gorn NPC ships.
Sometimes I think there might be some IP/timeline issues with CBS that's kept these ships out of the game. What I mean is, the majority of the fleet in this game consists of ships that you saw regularly saw in the TNG movies, DS9, and Voyager. If you remember the games Activision was putting out at the end of the 1990s, it's the same basic ship selection. We never really saw many Ambassadors after the middle of TNG, and even in the early episodes the Constellation class was considered a museum piece. It could very well be that CBS considers those ships (and possibly more obscure ones like the Niagara and Springfield) to be retired from active service and doesn't push for their inclusion in new products.
Mind you, I am just speculating out loud here. I mean STO does have the Cheyenne, after all. I suppose the real determining factors are some combination of IP-based (should we include this ship, or would it make more sense to imagine that Starfleet has a new design that does the same job in the 25th century?), artistic (is the basic design flexible enough to allow some variant classes for costume customization), and gameplay-based (could this ship, logically placed in a proper tier and specialization, do anything that couldn't be duplicated by existing ships?) I think this last issue may be the biggest stumbling block: in the end, a Constellation in STO would be a T2 sci ship at best (which they already have) and an Ambassador would be some sort of T3.5 cruiser, something that would require a bit more finangling that a regular ship.
Sometimes I think there might be some IP/timeline issues with CBS that's kept these ships out of the game. What I mean is, the majority of the fleet in this game consists of ships that you saw regularly saw in the TNG movies, DS9, and Voyager. If you remember the games Activision was putting out at the end of the 1990s, it's the same basic ship selection. We never really saw many Ambassadors after the middle of TNG, and even in the early episodes the Constellation class was considered a museum piece. It could very well be that CBS considers those ships (and possibly more obscure ones like the Niagara and Springfield) to be retired from active service and doesn't push for their inclusion in new products.
Mind you, I am just speculating out loud here. I mean STO does have the Cheyenne, after all. I suppose the real determining factors are some combination of IP-based (should we include this ship, or would it make more sense to imagine that Starfleet has a new design that does the same job in the 25th century?), artistic (is the basic design flexible enough to allow some variant classes for costume customization), and gameplay-based (could this ship, logically placed in a proper tier and specialization, do anything that couldn't be duplicated by existing ships?) I think this last issue may be the biggest stumbling block: in the end, a Constellation in STO would be a T2 sci ship at best (which they already have) and an Ambassador would be some sort of T3.5 cruiser, something that would require a bit more finangling that a regular ship.
An interesting speculation about retiring ship classes that does however have a few minor flaws.
I certainly hope you don't mind that I mention them.
The Constitution refit is the most glaring one since the last time we saw someting resembling her was in the wreckage of "The Best of Both Worlds" yet she's in this game.
During the Dominion War we sometimes saw lists with lost and/or destroyed ships.
Ambassador class ships (name and registry) were among them.
The RL reason we never saw Ambassador class ships during the combat scenes (just like we never saw many of the other ship classes) was because there were no CGI models for them.
And even the CGI models of existing ships were sometimes questionable (see the physical model of the Nebula class and its CG counterpart, particularly the shape of the Deflector)
The Norway class was never seen during DS9 since its model was lost yet I seriously doubt anyone would just consider it absent because it was retired since it appeared to be a new design.
You do make some interesting points about the positioning of the ship classes but given the Constellation was bigger and appearentl newer then the Connie refit she could just as well be another 2.5 cruiser (parhaps with different bonus console and BO slots than the Exeter)
yeah sadly. But they all should be in there. As well as a hell of a lot more KDF ships. AKA Nausican. Orion, Gorn NPC ships.
true but if you look at what staff openings they have they do still seam to be town quite a lot on there team so like i said time and patients and it will all come our way
The Ambassador class was upgraded to the Galaxy class.
no the Ambassador class was the main cruiser of starfleet ships after the Excelsior but before the Galaxy. the Enterprise C was an Ambassador. by your logic the Enterprise A became the Enterprise B when it had its refit but it wasnt it was still the Enterprise A as the B was a Excelsior class
no the Ambassador class was the main cruiser of starfleet ships after the Excelsior but before the Galaxy. the Enterprise C was an Ambassador. by your logic the Enterprise A became the Enterprise B when it had its refit but it wasnt it was still the Enterprise A as the B was a Excelsior class
you know what i never got about the episode where you do see the Enterprise C. In the Undiscovered country they estimated that the Klingons had 50 years of life left to it because of Praxis. So surely the Federation in that time line should be all over the Klingons and not having there butts handed to them.
I know that feeling. Happens all too often to myself the recent times.
The point was that STF65 had said "The constellation class has been upgraded to the new Stargazer class." which doesn't really make that much sense since those are two entirely different classes that just happen to have the same number of nacelles.
Thus Superchum's strange line, which is just as nonsensical as the Stargazer thingy.:)
you know what i never got about the episode where you do see the Enterprise C. In the Undiscovered country they estimated that the Klingons had 50 years of life left to it because of Praxis. So surely the Federation in that time line should be all over the Klingons and not having there butts handed to them.
Real-world explanation:
"Yesterday's Enterprise" release 19 February 1990
"Star Trek VI" release 6 December 1991
so there's a continuity glitch.
in universe I'm not sure there ever was one.
I only know that some of the novels like "Serpents Among the Ruis" and "The Art of the Impossible" shed some light on this and indicate that after the Federation had helped the Klingons it still took forver for the Klingons to accept the Federation as their true allies.
This was for the most part due to the idiots that ruled after Gorkon's daughter had been...retired.
So I guess this means 50 years without any outside help.
The KDF kept using ships that had been scheduled for scrapping long after they should have been replaced and only began building new ones by a time they had recovered economically from the Praxis disaster which was approxmately by the time of the Narendra incident.
By that time the Betraka Nebula Incident had forced them to rearm in earnest and if the alternate timeline had become a reality the Klingons would have been going against the Federation with some new classes of ships (that exist only in those novels of course).
I know that feeling. Happens all too often to myself the recent times.
The point was that STF65 had said "The constellation class has been upgraded to the new Stargazer class." which doesn't really make that much sense since those are two entirely different classes that just happen to have the same number of nacelles.
Thus Superchum's strange line, which is just as nonsensical as the Stargazer thingy.:)
I know that feeling. Happens all too often to myself the recent times.
The point was that STF65 had said "The constellation class has been upgraded to the new Stargazer class." which doesn't really make that much sense since those are two entirely different classes that just happen to have the same number of nacelles.
Thus Superchum's strange line, which is just as nonsensical as the Stargazer thingy.:)
Real-world explanation:
"Yesterday's Enterprise" release 19 February 1990
"Star Trek VI" release 6 December 1991
so there's a continuity glitch.
in universe I'm not sure there ever was one.
I only know that some of the novels like "Serpents Among the Ruis" and "The Art of the Impossible" shed some light on this and indicate that after the Federation had helped the Klingons it still took forver for the Klingons to accept the Federation as their true allies.
This was for the most part due to the idiots that ruled after Gorkon's daughter had been...retired.
So I guess this means 50 years without any outside help.
The KDF kept using ships that had been scheduled for scrapping long after they should have been replaced and only began building new ones by a time they had recovered economically from the Praxis disaster which was approxmately by the time of the Narendra incident.
By that time the Betraka Nebula Incident had forced them to rearm in earnest and if the alternate timeline had become a reality the Klingons would have been going against the Federation with some new classes of ships (that exist only in those novels of course).
I always just figured that the Praxis incident was merely overblown. Lets take a real-world example. The BP Spill in the Gulf. At first, nobody knew much of anything, and estimates in the first weeks ran from the comically conservative to the ridiculously fatalistic.
It's only in the long term that the true consequences and affects of a large disaster can be fully tallied.
Starfleet gathered the briefing seen in ST:VI only a few days after Praxis, it's very possible that the early estimations and predictions were simply wrong, and that the Empire was able to survive and adapt completely on their own.
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As something they could tout as the biggest and baddest PWE was thinking of the C-Store sales, so it got priority. As a niche interest ship loved by a few, the Ambassador does not indicate C-Store sales nearly as much, and so it has been on the back-burner. Same goes for the Constellation, the Kumari, the New Orleans, the Soyuz, and the Niagara.
well you have to remember that for the last year cryptic have been in a strangle hold under Atari who had basically put them in stasis so be thankful the game is still up. i am sure the ships will come but they are still recovering from having half there staff laid off.
so patients and i am sure all will come in time
yeah sadly. But they all should be in there. As well as a hell of a lot more KDF ships. AKA Nausican. Orion, Gorn NPC ships.
Mind you, I am just speculating out loud here. I mean STO does have the Cheyenne, after all. I suppose the real determining factors are some combination of IP-based (should we include this ship, or would it make more sense to imagine that Starfleet has a new design that does the same job in the 25th century?), artistic (is the basic design flexible enough to allow some variant classes for costume customization), and gameplay-based (could this ship, logically placed in a proper tier and specialization, do anything that couldn't be duplicated by existing ships?) I think this last issue may be the biggest stumbling block: in the end, a Constellation in STO would be a T2 sci ship at best (which they already have) and an Ambassador would be some sort of T3.5 cruiser, something that would require a bit more finangling that a regular ship.
An interesting speculation about retiring ship classes that does however have a few minor flaws.
I certainly hope you don't mind that I mention them.
The Constitution refit is the most glaring one since the last time we saw someting resembling her was in the wreckage of "The Best of Both Worlds" yet she's in this game.
During the Dominion War we sometimes saw lists with lost and/or destroyed ships.
Ambassador class ships (name and registry) were among them.
The RL reason we never saw Ambassador class ships during the combat scenes (just like we never saw many of the other ship classes) was because there were no CGI models for them.
And even the CGI models of existing ships were sometimes questionable (see the physical model of the Nebula class and its CG counterpart, particularly the shape of the Deflector)
The Norway class was never seen during DS9 since its model was lost yet I seriously doubt anyone would just consider it absent because it was retired since it appeared to be a new design.
You do make some interesting points about the positioning of the ship classes but given the Constellation was bigger and appearentl newer then the Connie refit she could just as well be another 2.5 cruiser (parhaps with different bonus console and BO slots than the Exeter)
true but if you look at what staff openings they have they do still seam to be town quite a lot on there team so like i said time and patients and it will all come our way
The Ambassador class was upgraded to the Galaxy class.
no the Ambassador class was the main cruiser of starfleet ships after the Excelsior but before the Galaxy. the Enterprise C was an Ambassador. by your logic the Enterprise A became the Enterprise B when it had its refit but it wasnt it was still the Enterprise A as the B was a Excelsior class
I think you missed the irony here...
ohhh sorry i am not on the ball today
you know what i never got about the episode where you do see the Enterprise C. In the Undiscovered country they estimated that the Klingons had 50 years of life left to it because of Praxis. So surely the Federation in that time line should be all over the Klingons and not having there butts handed to them.
I know that feeling. Happens all too often to myself the recent times.
The point was that STF65 had said "The constellation class has been upgraded to the new Stargazer class." which doesn't really make that much sense since those are two entirely different classes that just happen to have the same number of nacelles.
Thus Superchum's strange line, which is just as nonsensical as the Stargazer thingy.:)
Real-world explanation:
"Yesterday's Enterprise" release 19 February 1990
"Star Trek VI" release 6 December 1991
so there's a continuity glitch.
in universe I'm not sure there ever was one.
I only know that some of the novels like "Serpents Among the Ruis" and "The Art of the Impossible" shed some light on this and indicate that after the Federation had helped the Klingons it still took forver for the Klingons to accept the Federation as their true allies.
This was for the most part due to the idiots that ruled after Gorkon's daughter had been...retired.
So I guess this means 50 years without any outside help.
The KDF kept using ships that had been scheduled for scrapping long after they should have been replaced and only began building new ones by a time they had recovered economically from the Praxis disaster which was approxmately by the time of the Narendra incident.
By that time the Betraka Nebula Incident had forced them to rearm in earnest and if the alternate timeline had become a reality the Klingons would have been going against the Federation with some new classes of ships (that exist only in those novels of course).
Busted! That's exactly what I was going for.
At one point the KDF was missing a LOT of ships in every tier. It took a while to get where it is now.
I always just figured that the Praxis incident was merely overblown. Lets take a real-world example. The BP Spill in the Gulf. At first, nobody knew much of anything, and estimates in the first weeks ran from the comically conservative to the ridiculously fatalistic.
It's only in the long term that the true consequences and affects of a large disaster can be fully tallied.
Starfleet gathered the briefing seen in ST:VI only a few days after Praxis, it's very possible that the early estimations and predictions were simply wrong, and that the Empire was able to survive and adapt completely on their own.