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I got one question for you all, why hasn't Cryptic finished the Klingon fraction yet or even the pvp system they have had 2 years and all they have done is add ships and added missions mostly to the Feds.

The Klingon have only got 1 revamp of mission and that was mid last year and now they have cut 2 tiers out and got rid of all pvp for the Lt.s and Lt. Coms over on the fed side


They need to stop making FE's and introduce more missions to the Klingon side to Sustain the 2 lower ranks.
And then finaly do it all over again with the Romulans
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I got one question for you all, why hasn't Cryptic finished the Klingon fraction yet or even the pvp system they have had 2 years and all they have done is add ships and added missions mostly to the Feds.

    The Klingon have only got 1 revamp of mission and that was mid last year and now they have cut 2 tiers out and got rid of all pvp for the Lt.s and Lt. Coms over on the fed side


    They need to stop making FE's and introduce more missions to the Klingon side to Sustain the 2 lower ranks.
    And then finaly do it all over again with the Romulans

    Take everything they promised and push it back a year or two due to F2P, PWE, etc.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    So season 10-20-30????
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Take everything they promised and push it back a year or two due to F2P, PWE, etc.

    Romulans was actually pre-dstahl as EP days. It was first mentioned with Zink. Dstahl put more focus on ironing out bugs than another faction plus "finish the KDF". Well they are halfway done since KDF isn't 1-50 like Fed but really 25-50.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Your join date tells me you're not new here so I assume you've been paying attention to what's been going on over the last year with Atari and Cryptic? I'm sure you heard about how Cryptic's staff was cut to 20 people while Atari milked the system? I'm sure you know Cryptic has spent most of last year doing a ftp conversion? I also assume you have some type of understanding of the industry and the fact that the recession has taken its toll on mmos? WoW has lost of 2 million subscribers in the last 18 months.

    So why isn't there a full Klink and Rom faction by now? Take your pick from any of the above.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    But still if there's no Klingon fraction or not a finished one the game can hardly function
    Now that a new company own Cryptic they can stop sitting around and aculy squish the Season together a bit more like 2 months apart ? lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    But still if there's no Klingon fraction or not a finished one the game can hardly function
    Now that a new company own Cryptic they can stop sitting around and aculy squish the Season together a bit more like 2 months apart ? lol
    Ftp launched about 3 weeks ago. Cryptic's still struggling with server issues and near daily patches. And you must think hiring people is like getting a McDonalds job with no skill required? Plus companies have budgets and need to make profit. There's a lot more involved here then just fans saying 'I want.'
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    2 years and no Romulans? How about 2 years and only .5 Klingons? :P
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Romulans? Maybe by year 5?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    STF65 wrote:
    Ftp launched about 3 weeks ago. Cryptic's still struggling with server issues and near daily patches. And you must think hiring people is like getting a McDonalds job with no skill required? Plus companies have budgets and need to make profit. There's a lot more involved here then just fans saying 'I want.'

    No i don't think that, but even I could think up of better ideas for the anniversary or missions for the Klingon side

    + There are plenty of designers out there and people who have experience in games and they i think that there is to much droughts and people will start to die from these
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    superchum wrote: »
    Romulans? Maybe by year 5?
    My guess would be next year as a paid expansion pack.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    STF65 wrote:
    My guess would be next year as a paid expansion pack.

    I doubt they'd charge for it. They'll release it under the current F2P model. But I think they should wait until it is built up into an entire game's worth of content before they release it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I doubt they'd charge for it. They'll release it under the current F2P model. But I think they should wait until it is built up into an entire game's worth of content before they release it.
    All the ftp games charge for major expansions packs. Even WoW charges for the EPs. A Rom EP would involve missions, ships, classes, and many other things. You're talking about adding 33% more to the game with it. That won't be free.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    STF65 wrote:
    All the ftp games charge for major expansions packs. Even WoW charges for the EPs. A Rom EP would involve missions, ships, classes, and many other things. You're talking about adding 33% more to the game with it. That won't be free.


    We will never know unless *STO has other ways of getting money + it would be to much to do that with all the pvp changes it would been years of development

    STO is more of a add on game small things not disks that means that everyones story line will be diferant and the ppl in the Romulan sector wont be able to lvl or something.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I doubt they'd charge for it. They'll release it under the current F2P model. But I think they should wait until it is built up into an entire game's worth of content before they release it.


    More likely they'll put anything added that's Romulan into grab bags as unlockable tokens you have to buy to get access to and of course they'll be random and very rare so you'll have to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars before you get the whole set.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I got one question for you all, why hasn't Cryptic finished the Klingon fraction yet or even the pvp system they have had 2 years and all they have done is add ships and added missions mostly to the Feds.

    The Klingon have only got 1 revamp of mission and that was mid last year and now they have cut 2 tiers out and got rid of all pvp for the Lt.s and Lt. Coms over on the fed side


    They need to stop making FE's and introduce more missions to the Klingon side to Sustain the 2 lower ranks.
    And then finaly do it all over again with the Romulans
    Oh you are adorable.
    It will never be equal so there will never be a romulan.

    My suggestion, have the KDF mow over Psi velorum and have a faction of romulans be apart of the KDF.
    Maybe that will give cryptic the incentive to build both.
    But they won't.

    The original reason is the KDF was only 1 percent of the population and that somehow was justification.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    No i don't think that, but even I could think up of better ideas for the anniversary or missions for the Klingon side

    + There are plenty of designers out there and people who have experience in games and they i think that there is to much droughts and people will start to die from these

    Okay, I'll bite. Here's a computer and a book of programming language. Take that idea and make it reality all by yourself. You have one week.

    There are designers out there. There are experienced people out there. It costs money to hire them. Money isn't coming in like it used to because the recession has people pinching their pennies and swearing off cash sinks like MMOs. That means less money, which means less people, which means less Romulans.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Okay, I'll bite. Here's a computer and a book of programming language. Take that idea and make it reality all by yourself. You have one week.

    There are designers out there. There are experienced people out there. It costs money to hire them. Money isn't coming in like it used to because the has people pinching their pennies and swearing off cash sinks like MMOs. That means less money, which means less people, which means less Romulans.


    Im young i live in Aus so idk what the recession is really so don't blame me also its been years i think. But i think Cryptic from now need to get up and do something
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    With PWE calling the shots now 99% of development resources will be shifted to creating c-store fluff and pay to win items.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Im young i live in Aus so idk what the recession is really so don't blame me also its been years i think. But i think Cryptic from now need to get up and do something
    I'm only a college student myself, but I am aware that there's been a global recession going on for the last 6 years. You might want to watch some news on the television. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    STF65 wrote:
    Your join date tells me you're not new here so I assume you've been paying attention to what's been going on over the last year with Atari and Cryptic? I'm sure you heard about how Cryptic's staff was cut to 20 people while Atari milked the system? I'm sure you know Cryptic has spent most of last year doing a ftp conversion? I also assume you have some type of understanding of the industry and the fact that the recession has taken its toll on mmos? WoW has lost of 2 million subscribers in the last 18 months.

    So why isn't there a full Klink and Rom faction by now? Take your pick from any of the above.
    Cryptic lost Atari $25.4M in two financial years. That's net. If Atari were milking anything then all they found was a dry teat.

    @the OP.

    First of all, your text is very difficult to read on a black backgound. As a courtesy you might consider changing that.

    regarding what may or may not have been promised or alluded to in the past, all bets are off now and Cryptic will follow a development route set out by PWE and this may or likely may not include another faction. In my opinion the development of the game further has come to an end and all that will come now is enough featured content to keep players playing long enough to see the new pay to win or vanity items appear in the store.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Zoot2 wrote:
    Cryptic lost Atari $25.4M in two financial years. That's net. If Atari were milking anything then all they found was a dry teat.
    I'd love to see a financial link which states those exact figures. Especially since Atari lost over $100 million prior to buying Cryptic. And that doesn't even count all the lawsuits they were involved in at the time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    STF65 wrote:
    I'd love to see a financial link which states those exact figures. Especially since Atari lost over $100 million prior to buying Cryptic. And that doesn't even count all the lawsuits they were involved in at the time.

    Just read their financial reports. As a limited company these are all in the public domain.
    Cryptic Studios divestiture:
    In line with the previously stated strategy of fewer but more profitable releases and further expansion into casual online
    and mobile games, the Company has determined that external development creates more flexibility in the changing
    marketplace. Therefore, the Company has made the decision to divest itself from Cryptic Studios. On May 31, 2011,
    Perfect World Co., Ltd. and Atari announced that they had entered into an agreement whereby Perfect World would
    acquire 100% equity interest in Cryptic Studios from Atari, the sole shareholder of Cryptic Studios. Under the stock
    purchase agreement, Perfect World will pay an aggregate purchase price of approximately €35.0 million in cash, subject
    to working capital and other adjustments as provided in the agreement. The consummation of the transactions
    contemplated in the agreement is subject to satisfaction of closing conditions.
    As of March 31, 2011, the Company accounted Cryptic as a “discontinued operation” in the Statement of Income starting
    on April 1, 2009 and as “assets / liabilities held for sale” in the Balance Sheet as of March 31, 2011.
    On a standalone basis and after intercompany eliminations, Cryptic accounted for revenue on a full year basis of
    approximately €15.9 million for Fiscal Year 2010/2011 – as compared to approximately €4.5 million on a full year basis
    for Fiscal Year 2009/2010. The net results of Cryptic were a loss of approximately -€5.3 million for Fiscal Year
    2010/2011, as compared to a loss of -€12.8 million on a full basis for Fiscal Year 2009/2010.

    The figures in the report are in Euros because Atari are actually a French company previously known as Infogrames.

    The figures I gave you are the net losses converted to dollars which I have done for the benefit of the mainly American audience. Cryptic had revenues of £22m last year and still managed a loss of $7.5M on the year net. That's a lot of money to go through.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Plus don't forget, everything that Cryptic puts in the game has to be approved by CBS - that's part of their licensing agreement for the use of the Star Trek IP. I mention this because it adds a whole new level of bureaucracy that many MMOs don't have to deal with. (In fact the only ones that I can think of offhand that might, and I'm pretty certain they don't, are Bioware/EA with Star Wars, and SOE with DC Comics.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I got one question for you all, why hasn't Cryptic finished the Klingon fraction yet or even the pvp system they have had 2 years and all they have done is add ships and added missions mostly to the Feds.

    It's a long and sordid story.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    superchum wrote: »
    Romulans? Maybe by year 5?

    I was going to be a bit more generous and guess year 4 myself. The short answer for the original poster is not anytime remotely soon though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    STF65 wrote:
    Ftp launched about 3 weeks ago. Cryptic's still struggling with server issues and near daily patches. And you must think hiring people is like getting a McDonalds job with no skill required? Plus companies have budgets and need to make profit. There's a lot more involved here then just fans saying 'I want.'

    and for 2 years we were promised, told it was coming, "soon" told they were "working on it" and various other things, and still, to this day, the KDF is unfinished and PVP hasn't seen one update yet. All the excuses in the world they can offer are meaningless, they've basically lied to the playerbase. If they can make and FE with such a small crew, they could have done some KDF missions. after all an FE is nothing more than a built up mission.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012

    They need to stop making FE's and introduce more missions to the Klingon side to Sustain the 2 lower ranks.
    And then finaly do it all over again with the Romulans

    You do realize that FEs can be played by both factions...
    But yes, there are a ton of missing things left to fill for both Fed and KDF...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Kyuui wrote: »
    and for 2 years we were promised, told it was coming, "soon" told they were "working on it" and various other things, and still, to this day, the KDF is unfinished and PVP hasn't seen one update yet. All the excuses in the world they can offer are meaningless, they've basically lied to the playerbase. If they can make and FE with such a small crew, they could have done some KDF missions. after all an FE is nothing more than a built up mission.

    Yeah they've been promising full KDF faction since before the game even launched. F2P and PWE have nothing to do with this, only Cryptic's inability to execute on their original plans.

    Not to mention that the hiring freeze was lifted something like 6 months ago. And in this economy I think it would be easier than ever to find qualified applicants. Yet it was recently confirmed by the EP that hardly any new hiring has actually taken place, despite many claims to the contrary. It appears we've been deceived yet again... hmm I can see a pattern emerging here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Unfortunately, this game is what you make of it. I have no ill-feelings toward any cryptic. They have very limited resources. I was excited when the cardassians were going to be a faction someday. But, it's just not reality at this point. I wish this game was so much more as well. But, for now, this game is what you make of it for yourself. I hope you can find some way to enjoy the game, whether leveling an alt or role playing. I'm trying myself to get back I to it by leveling a tactical officer after maining science.

    I hope that someday, cryptic will get a major cash flow and really deepen the game systems and experience. But for now, many of us are left wanting more. The devs are doing their best with limited resources. But until a billionaire donates some big bucks to improve the development funds, I expect the game to evolve at a snail's pace. It's unfortunate. But it's reality.
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