Pve button is more important than dilithium store (which is way overpriced btw), Please change it so dilithium store goes away and dies a horrible death for the pve button to come back.
I agree that this is pretty stupid. Why remove the PvE queues button? Before this patch, the whole mini-map lay-out *finally* looked tidy. i liked it a lot.
Now we're mucking it up again? And for what? The dilithium store? Can't you provide a link or tab to that in the bloody dilithium exchange you *still* have under the more section?
Couldn't there really be a better solution instead of sandwiching another ugly button in?
Just wrap up the whole diilithium store in the same window as the dilithium exchange... which is still in, I might add, and bring back the previous layout.
I haven't seen anyone point out the ramifications of this. I have this to say:
The tooltip on it actually says C-Store. Sadly ironic, because clearly this button's raison d'etre is to increase real money sales of Cryptic points. And a very effective way to do that is to get people to spend more dilithium than they can procure in-game. I hope people argue about whether this is greedy/exploitative of players. Surely a more tasteful and respectful approach is possible.
And I'm ignoring the other problems that in doing so they a) walked all over user-interface design (pink) and b) broke RPG immersion (your minimap is now a vendor).
Would be nice if these were customizeable, so you can swap any ones in the dropdown out and put them there. Most people use C-Store sparingly, and dilithium even less. PvP got to stay on top (but hasn't received any support since launch), but the PvE that we're being asked to grind every day is now buried.
Honestly, I use Doff, PvE, Fleet, and maybe Bridge out of that set. The rest would be fine in the dropdown. Shouldn't the quick access buttons be about gameplay? We're now hindering gameplay in favor of the stores (and for some reason, PvP. Likely to get people to buy more in the store).
Can these at least be changed to be useful, if we can't move them ourselves?
You replace the queue button for PVE with the Dili store button.
Guess which button anyone will use more? The button to join a PVE queue or to buy new items?
I know there are some shopaholics but I doubt many players will use that button more often then the now properly hidden PVE button :rolleyes:
On another note I think in a MMO having vendor like NPC to go to buy stuff is fine. There is no need at all to have that button on the minimap and I really would like to know who asked for it?
PS: Antiproton weapons still missing on FED side from Dili shop (reported ages ago on Tribble)
/signed to googleplex and stamped with the FIST OF AN ANGRY GOD!!!
Taking the PVE tab off the minimap? WTF?
Putting TWO store tabs together? WTF???
Reducing the "more" drop down button to almost NOTHING???
WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT????
How the hell are people even supposed to FIND the PVE queue? Ooh ooh! I know! We'll put in another TUTORIAL for it!
What microcephalic imbecile dwarf from marketing (It HAS to be marketing - no sane game designer would make this decision) thought THIS up?
Why don't you just remove every single last NPC store in the game and move THAT to the mini-map tab???
Oooh! Ooh! Let's play a game and call it - "See if you can think like a marketing executive."
Why not get rid of all the exchange, bank, and mail functions at all starbase locations, and put THAT on the tab! That removes the need to actually - you know - waste time traveling to different locations in the galaxy. But we make that feature available only to gold members or people who buy that function from the C-Store. But we'll still have the TAB for this function on the minimap so that Silver players will be reminded of it!
Why don't you remove the Azura II from the game while you're at it? Put THAT on the mini-map too? That would free up graphic resources that could be better used in the zones for the billboards advertising the C-Store along the space lanes!
Oh wait. No no. We KEEP the Azura II, but put the C-Store advertisements on the side of the ship! That's a beautiful marketing tool right there! Just like the Blade Runner advertisement blimp - IN SPACE!!!
Are you going to put BLAZING UGLY ADVERTISEMENTS up instead of the beautiful loading screen art now? Is that what's coming next?
STOP IT!!!! Just STOP MESSING WITH THINGS LIKE THIS. FIX the bugs that are already in the game! Add new features like ships and costumes. Make neat mini-games like the DOFF system. THAT is what will bring you the money.
This TRIBBLE just annoys the hell out of us. Makes us want to go play other games. Games that don't DO this kind of TRIBBLE.
Look - I'll offer one bit of constructive criticism. One suggestion as a compromise.
Here's what you do -
Take the dilithium store off the minimap.
Put the PVE queue back where it was. Put the dilithium store under the "More" tab where the dilithium exchange is. (Heck you could even combine the two!)
If you REALLY want a marker for the dilithium store on the minimap tabs. Then make it a tiny little button that ONLY has the purple gem on it and NOTHING ELSE. Nothing that says "Store". That little gem icon is prominent enough on it's own that it will draw the eye.
Do that and you might win me back. As it stands, count me among the customers for whom your advertising attempts are having the EXACT OPPOSITE effect that you wanted.
Edit: was going to hop back in the game and see if the new ship was in. But I'm so thoroughly disgusted now that I've shut down the game and I don't know when I'll be able to stomach activating it again.
Why not have a icon with the C and Dilithium rock with a "/" between, and the word store and have it drop down to select which one you want.
By that same token, have the Transwarp button do the same thing -- no reason to open a new window.
Or better yet, just make the whole thing bigger -- and FIX THE ZOOMING. I absolutely NEVER look at the minimap for anything because it's useless. Only the main map is useful.,
Now replace the doff button with a "donate money to cryptic" button and the PvP button with a "buy more UI space" button that adds the lost buttons under the new ones and everything is fine again. :rolleyes:
Oh man you guys chill. What's the big deal, takes like 20 seconds to familiarise yourself with the new layout. Everyone would like something different. Cryptic is a business to make money, if they make money the game stays open, that simple. Personally i don't give a toss where they stick it, nobody is stopping you from still going to a vendor if you want to. Jeez, lighten up and enjoy the big day.
Oh, I could tell them exactly where they could stick it.
But seriously, I think people are pretty aware of the stores and the like and don't need it shoved down their throats, I don't know about anyone else, but thats turns me off a feature rather than gets me interested.
Have to agree with almost everyone here, the new mini map button layout as of today is asinine! Cryptic took a good thing and then turned around and mucked it completely up. Is cryptic hurting for cash so bad that they have to be so blatant?
i am beyond the point where i need ANY of the items in that shop.
i wouldn't mind seeing a Dilithium EXCHANGE button there instead (use that all day long to SELL my dilithium), but the NPC from ESD?
who had that silly idea?
did not talk to this Vendor in months because he has nothing i want.
I play Elite STF's i got Mk XII everything, no need for anything XI any longer.
Even on my new Chars i only play (normal) STF's to get Endgame gear. (yes they now drop useless Mk X, but the EDC items still give me purple Mk XI, so no need for your dilithium store, even on new chars).
making it more accessible, fine with me, (if there are more people giving me C-Points for my Dilithium, i am all for that!)
but how about you add this menu to the REPLICATOR instead?
add a TAB "Ship Vendor", get rid of the ugly NPC face and make it more of an INGAME thing.
at least that wouldn't completely break immersion if i had a vendor on my ship.
OR hey, how about you put that NPC in my ship interior, and by that improving the FUNCTIONALITY of my ship interior.
Also, this is exactly the kind of thing that SCREAMS "Pay Wall" to Free 2 Players, before they even understand what it's all about, i thought we wanted to avoid this kind of thing?
same here what is the more popular button PVP or PVe hmm let me think
PVE for STF selection
good job in srewing things up again
recomend changing them you don't realize the gravity of how anoyed alot of people will be to have to work to find the button when DEV was just lazy and chose not to move the PVP instead moved the PVE which is what 99.9% of use the PVE not PVP so c swap it
Oh man you guys chill. What's the big deal, takes like 20 seconds to familiarise yourself with the new layout. Everyone would like something different. Cryptic is a business to make money, if they make money the game stays open, that simple. Personally i don't give a toss where they stick it, nobody is stopping you from still going to a vendor if you want to. Jeez, lighten up and enjoy the big day.
pressing that mouse button one more time is a lot of work.
seriously i dont get the rage. i get that people prefer the old way. i prefer the old way but its an incredibly minor change that is such a non issue. it is not deserving of hate and insults. hate and insults wont endear cryptic to change it either.
What is the point of this? I mean come on really? we need a Dt store quick link really?
I'm sorry but I can't see how this is makes things simpler. if it was a button to the Dt Exchange I could see how that could be good and would be nice. but even then, not needed.
here are my suggestions.
get rid of the Dt Store button and put the PVE Queue button back in it's place. having to click the drop down arrow to get to that make it feel or at least in my view like your trying to obfuscate the PVE and promote the PVP forward.
could we at the same time get rid of the Dt Exchange option in the drop down menu, please? in favor of a button in the Assets Tab, posiilbly down by [ Crew ] [ Replicator ]
Thank you for your time and for hearing me out. I know these are changes that can't and won't show up tomorrow but It would be nice if the would make they're way to us in a near future patch.
P.S A Transwarp to Aenigma Nebula would make lightyear ( yes.. I know lightyears measure distance not time )
P.S.S - Please get rid of the time out for gold members. sure it's rare for us to be sitting still for more than fifteen mins in the game, but it's known to happen and with some of the very long zoning loading screens we've timed out or when the a group is sitting around talking over voice we forget to move enough and bam we're kicked. it would really go to help with feel like we're in the universe if we thought we could practicably live here with out being booted after fifteen mins.
ya i dont like this at all more players play STFs then PVP and what key do you remove
PS why place it were the doff key was that makes it worse
what key do i hit 50 times a day
yep Doff button is the worst place to put it..
btw somehow the item list in the "Dili shop" seems a bit screwed. I just checked disruptor weapons and from mk II - X there are only DHC and DC listed. (and mk IV is even double on the list)
Only MK XI is in purple and the complete set of items (arrays, beam bank, turret etc)
I would run around red faced all day if I would rush out such screwed stuff :rolleyes:
Not bad. But I'd want the drop-down menu button back to its old size as well. (Not your fault - and you probably want that too. You probably had to work with a current screenshot.)
I'd still prefer the Dilithium store (if we absolutely MUST have that in the UI... *sigh*) to be part of the same interface screen as the Dilithium exchange. But this is at least a decent alternative.
You replace the queue button for PVE with the Dili store button.
Guess which button anyone will use more? The button to join a PVE queue or to buy new items?
I know there are some shopaholics but I doubt many players will use that button more often then the now properly hidden PVE button :rolleyes:
On another note I think in a MMO having vendor like NPC to go to buy stuff is fine. There is no need at all to have that button on the minimap and I really would like to know who asked for it?
PS: Antiproton weapons still missing on FED side from Dili shop (reported ages ago on Tribble)
anyway happy 2 years anyone
It would make more Sense if they change the PVP button with just a VS (Versus), that way when you click on it The window which appears will have two tabs, one for PVP (Player vs Player) and one for PVE (Player vs Engine).
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Seriously. Put the PvP queue down there instead. :mad::mad::mad::mad:
Now we're mucking it up again? And for what? The dilithium store? Can't you provide a link or tab to that in the bloody dilithium exchange you *still* have under the more section?
Couldn't there really be a better solution instead of sandwiching another ugly button in?
The tooltip on it actually says C-Store. Sadly ironic, because clearly this button's raison d'etre is to increase real money sales of Cryptic points. And a very effective way to do that is to get people to spend more dilithium than they can procure in-game. I hope people argue about whether this is greedy/exploitative of players. Surely a more tasteful and respectful approach is possible.
And I'm ignoring the other problems that in doing so they a) walked all over user-interface design (pink) and b) broke RPG immersion (your minimap is now a vendor).
Honestly, I use Doff, PvE, Fleet, and maybe Bridge out of that set. The rest would be fine in the dropdown. Shouldn't the quick access buttons be about gameplay? We're now hindering gameplay in favor of the stores (and for some reason, PvP. Likely to get people to buy more in the store).
Can these at least be changed to be useful, if we can't move them ourselves?
The PVE is a button I (and likely most players) press quite often, whereas the store is one we rarely would need, it's the wrong way round.
You replace the queue button for PVE with the Dili store button.
Guess which button anyone will use more? The button to join a PVE queue or to buy new items?
I know there are some shopaholics but I doubt many players will use that button more often then the now properly hidden PVE button :rolleyes:
On another note I think in a MMO having vendor like NPC to go to buy stuff is fine. There is no need at all to have that button on the minimap and I really would like to know who asked for it?
PS: Antiproton weapons still missing on FED side from Dili shop (reported ages ago on Tribble)
anyway happy 2 years anyone
Taking the PVE tab off the minimap? WTF?
Putting TWO store tabs together? WTF???
Reducing the "more" drop down button to almost NOTHING???
WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT????
How the hell are people even supposed to FIND the PVE queue? Ooh ooh! I know! We'll put in another TUTORIAL for it!
What microcephalic imbecile dwarf from marketing (It HAS to be marketing - no sane game designer would make this decision) thought THIS up?
Why don't you just remove every single last NPC store in the game and move THAT to the mini-map tab???
Oooh! Ooh! Let's play a game and call it - "See if you can think like a marketing executive."
Why not get rid of all the exchange, bank, and mail functions at all starbase locations, and put THAT on the tab! That removes the need to actually - you know - waste time traveling to different locations in the galaxy. But we make that feature available only to gold members or people who buy that function from the C-Store. But we'll still have the TAB for this function on the minimap so that Silver players will be reminded of it!
Why don't you remove the Azura II from the game while you're at it? Put THAT on the mini-map too? That would free up graphic resources that could be better used in the zones for the billboards advertising the C-Store along the space lanes!
Oh wait. No no. We KEEP the Azura II, but put the C-Store advertisements on the side of the ship! That's a beautiful marketing tool right there! Just like the Blade Runner advertisement blimp - IN SPACE!!!
Are you going to put BLAZING UGLY ADVERTISEMENTS up instead of the beautiful loading screen art now? Is that what's coming next?
STOP IT!!!! Just STOP MESSING WITH THINGS LIKE THIS. FIX the bugs that are already in the game! Add new features like ships and costumes. Make neat mini-games like the DOFF system. THAT is what will bring you the money.
This TRIBBLE just annoys the hell out of us. Makes us want to go play other games. Games that don't DO this kind of TRIBBLE.
Look - I'll offer one bit of constructive criticism. One suggestion as a compromise.
Here's what you do -
Take the dilithium store off the minimap.
Put the PVE queue back where it was. Put the dilithium store under the "More" tab where the dilithium exchange is. (Heck you could even combine the two!)
If you REALLY want a marker for the dilithium store on the minimap tabs. Then make it a tiny little button that ONLY has the purple gem on it and NOTHING ELSE. Nothing that says "Store". That little gem icon is prominent enough on it's own that it will draw the eye.
Do that and you might win me back. As it stands, count me among the customers for whom your advertising attempts are having the EXACT OPPOSITE effect that you wanted.
Edit: was going to hop back in the game and see if the new ship was in. But I'm so thoroughly disgusted now that I've shut down the game and I don't know when I'll be able to stomach activating it again.
Why not have a icon with the C and Dilithium rock with a "/" between, and the word store and have it drop down to select which one you want.
By that same token, have the Transwarp button do the same thing -- no reason to open a new window.
Or better yet, just make the whole thing bigger -- and FIX THE ZOOMING. I absolutely NEVER look at the minimap for anything because it's useless. Only the main map is useful.,
-Forjo
But seriously, I think people are pretty aware of the stores and the like and don't need it shoved down their throats, I don't know about anyone else, but thats turns me off a feature rather than gets me interested.
i am beyond the point where i need ANY of the items in that shop.
i wouldn't mind seeing a Dilithium EXCHANGE button there instead (use that all day long to SELL my dilithium), but the NPC from ESD?
who had that silly idea?
did not talk to this Vendor in months because he has nothing i want.
I play Elite STF's i got Mk XII everything, no need for anything XI any longer.
Even on my new Chars i only play (normal) STF's to get Endgame gear. (yes they now drop useless Mk X, but the EDC items still give me purple Mk XI, so no need for your dilithium store, even on new chars).
making it more accessible, fine with me, (if there are more people giving me C-Points for my Dilithium, i am all for that!)
but how about you add this menu to the REPLICATOR instead?
add a TAB "Ship Vendor", get rid of the ugly NPC face and make it more of an INGAME thing.
at least that wouldn't completely break immersion if i had a vendor on my ship.
OR hey, how about you put that NPC in my ship interior, and by that improving the FUNCTIONALITY of my ship interior.
Also, this is exactly the kind of thing that SCREAMS "Pay Wall" to Free 2 Players, before they even understand what it's all about, i thought we wanted to avoid this kind of thing?
PVE for STF selection
good job in srewing things up again
recomend changing them you don't realize the gravity of how anoyed alot of people will be to have to work to find the button when DEV was just lazy and chose not to move the PVP instead moved the PVE which is what 99.9% of use the PVE not PVP so c swap it
not funny
pressing that mouse button one more time is a lot of work.
seriously i dont get the rage. i get that people prefer the old way. i prefer the old way but its an incredibly minor change that is such a non issue. it is not deserving of hate and insults. hate and insults wont endear cryptic to change it either.
http://www.delotro.com/images/sto_minimap.jpg
-Forjo
http://www.delotro.com/images/sto_minimap.jpg
-Forjo
PS why place it were the doff key was that makes it worse
what key do i hit 50 times a day
I'm sorry but I can't see how this is makes things simpler. if it was a button to the Dt Exchange I could see how that could be good and would be nice. but even then, not needed.
here are my suggestions.
get rid of the Dt Store button and put the PVE Queue button back in it's place. having to click the drop down arrow to get to that make it feel or at least in my view like your trying to obfuscate the PVE and promote the PVP forward.
could we at the same time get rid of the Dt Exchange option in the drop down menu, please? in favor of a button in the Assets Tab, posiilbly down by [ Crew ] [ Replicator ]
Thank you for your time and for hearing me out. I know these are changes that can't and won't show up tomorrow but It would be nice if the would make they're way to us in a near future patch.
P.S A Transwarp to Aenigma Nebula would make lightyear ( yes.. I know lightyears measure distance not time )
P.S.S - Please get rid of the time out for gold members. sure it's rare for us to be sitting still for more than fifteen mins in the game, but it's known to happen and with some of the very long zoning loading screens we've timed out or when the a group is sitting around talking over voice we forget to move enough and bam we're kicked. it would really go to help with feel like we're in the universe if we thought we could practicably live here with out being booted after fifteen mins.
yep Doff button is the worst place to put it..
btw somehow the item list in the "Dili shop" seems a bit screwed. I just checked disruptor weapons and from mk II - X there are only DHC and DC listed. (and mk IV is even double on the list)
Only MK XI is in purple and the complete set of items (arrays, beam bank, turret etc)
I would run around red faced all day if I would rush out such screwed stuff :rolleyes:
Now.
Protip; that wasn't a request.
Not bad. But I'd want the drop-down menu button back to its old size as well. (Not your fault - and you probably want that too. You probably had to work with a current screenshot.)
I'd still prefer the Dilithium store (if we absolutely MUST have that in the UI... *sigh*) to be part of the same interface screen as the Dilithium exchange. But this is at least a decent alternative.
It would make more Sense if they change the PVP button with just a VS (Versus), that way when you click on it The window which appears will have two tabs, one for PVP (Player vs Player) and one for PVE (Player vs Engine).