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What incentive do C-Store Odyssey ship owners have to go back and earn the free one?

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Ideally, I'd think the goal would get people who own either one to want the other.

I get spending money to enhance gameplay. But then after you spend the money, that should draw you into playing the game.

In my mind, the Odyssey is a perfect example of how this COULD work but doesn't seem like it will.

I don't think the free one should discourage people from making a C-Store purchase. But if it's going to be added in-game after the freebie period for the anniversary as an earnable ship, shouldn't it have something owners of the C-Store version might want? Otherwise, why offer it later? Why not just tell people to trade their dilithium for C-Points?

I feel like they succeeded in doing this with the Prometheus, where the C-Store version is really good but you can get a really cool, different experience combining the C-Store console with the in-game version.

I'm not getting the vibe that's the case with the Bortas and Odyssey. Shouldn't they be setup so that any fan of those ships would want both versions to mix and match somehow?

My core idea would have been to give the free versions a universal console that acts like an RCS Accelerator but which has a set bonus with the consoles from C-Store versions of those ships. Or to give the free versions the better BO layout but give the C-Store versions better console layout and a cool console to use in either version.

Instead, it seems like the free versions are a prelude to the C-Store versions. That's off-kilter for me. I was always planning on getting the C-Store versions but I want that to enhance my reasons to use the free version, not turn the free version into a waste of space.

Just my $.02 on the issue as it seems to be emerging.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Maybe the C-store one comes with Saucer Separation with it. What I mean maybe people who have the Galy R can move the Saucer Separation over to the new ship. For we all we both free and C-store come with the Auxillary Craft as well.

    Yes I know I'm talking about a big if with the Saucer Separation but hey you never know.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Ideally, I'd think the goal would get people who own either one to want the other.
    <snip>
    Just my $.02 on the issue as it seems to be emerging.

    So, what you are saying is the free one has something you can't get with the C Store and the C Store one has something you can't get with the free one.

    How about the free one gets the universal BOff while the C Store one gets the auxiliary craft? That way to get the layout you really want, you would have to get both.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    We already know the saucer separation and aux craft come with the +1 version. If those things are important to you then that seems like incentive enough.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    The big bonus to the free ship is that it is available. The C-store one will not be offered for a while, and the free one may never be available after the initial offering.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    So, what you are saying is the free one has something you can't get with the C Store and the C Store one has something you can't get with the free one.

    How about the free one gets the universal BOff while the C Store one gets the auxiliary craft? That way to get the layout you really want, you would have to get both.

    No I'm not saying that. Ok let try and re say it.


    Lets say the free Odyssey only comes with the Auxillary Craft but if you all ready own the Galy R you can move the Saucer Separation skill over from the Galy R to the Odyssey, mean you need the Galy R to get the the Separation skill.

    The C-store could just come with the Separation skill and Auxillary Craft.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Shonto wrote:
    The big bonus to the free ship is that it is available. The C-store one will not be offered for a while, and the free one may never be available after the initial offering.

    I just hate to think I'll toss the free one if I buy the C-Store one.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I just hate to think I'll toss the free one if I buy the C-Store one.
    Why? You toss every other ship that you have when you buy the c-store version. You toss your free Defiant to use the Sao Palo. You toss your Excalibur to use your Exeter. I don't see how tossing your Odyssey to use your Super Odyssey is any different.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I was under the impression that the Anniversary Odyssey and Bortas were only being put in as a token 'see we technically kept our word' gesture.

    That's pretty much the only incentive we'll see, I'm sure. The incentive of flame retardant.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Cross82 wrote:
    No I'm not saying that. Ok let try and re say it.

    Sorry, I was referencing the OP. Sorry for the confusion. I'm batting 1.000 today in that regard. :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    STF65 wrote:
    Why? You toss every other ship that you have when you buy the c-store version. You toss your free Defiant to use the Sao Palo. You toss your Excalibur to use your Exeter. I don't see how tossing your Odyssey to use your Super Odyssey is any different.

    You don't with the Prometheus. There's reason to have both. It's a balanced design that creates options for C-Store people to advance sideways through playing and in-game players to get an extra option through the C-Store. It's reciprocal.

    At the point where C-Store items don't encourage gameplay, what's their value as C-Store items? If it doesn't urge me to play more, why would I spend money on it? It's only worthwhile if it makes me want to login to use it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hravik wrote:
    I was under the impression that the Anniversary Odyssey and Bortas were only being put in as a token 'see we technically kept our word' gesture.

    That's pretty much the only incentive we'll see, I'm sure. The incentive of flame retardant.

    That's pretty much all it is, Cryptic covering their butts in the cheapest way possible.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    You don't with the Prometheus. There's reason to have both. It's a balanced design that creates options for C-Store people to advance sideways through playing and in-game players to get an extra option through the C-Store. It's reciprocal.

    Forgive my ignorance, but what benefit does the non-C-store Prometheus have that sets it apart from the MVAM Prometheus ?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    You don't with the Prometheus. There's reason to have both.

    The Prometheus is a Retrofit though, and not an actual +1 Refit like we're seeing here and have been seeing since the Rhode Island. The MVAM predates... the dark nebula of suck that the +1s have brought us. This is the norm now, and in the case of these Flagships we're probably only getting this much because, well...
    Hravik wrote:
    I was under the impression that the Anniversary Odyssey and Bortas were only being put in as a token 'see we technically kept our word' gesture.

    That's pretty much the only incentive we'll see, I'm sure. The incentive of flame retardant.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    fauxpasiii wrote: »
    Forgive my ignorance, but what benefit does the non-C-store Prometheus have that sets it apart from the MVAM Prometheus ?

    It has a Lieutenant commander tac instead of a sci one I think.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Shonto wrote:
    It has a Lieutenant commander tac instead of a sci one I think.

    Standard v. MVAM...

    Commander: Tactical
    Lt.Commander: Tactical
    Lieutenant: Science, Engineering
    Ensign: Science

    v,

    Commander: Tactical
    Lt.Commander: Science
    Lieutenant: Tactical, Engineering
    Ensign: Tactical
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    OR how about we just get a ship for free that doesn't force us to buy a c-store verison :)

    *gasp* why on Earth would someone thank a near 2 year old playerbase that has been kicked in the mouth so many times want to miss out no getting more money out of them.

    There should be only ONE functional version of the flagships, with truely all the bells and whistles with it...then the "c-store" version would be the exact same thing as the limited time one....then in the future make nothing but PURE SKIN versions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    A swift kick to the nuts to remind them why they forked out cash for the C-Store version? :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hravik wrote:
    I was under the impression that the Anniversary Odyssey and Bortas were only being put in as a token 'see we technically kept our word' gesture.

    That's pretty much the only incentive we'll see, I'm sure. The incentive of flame retardant.

    Yeah, it gives D'Angelo the ability to say, "See, I TOLD YOU we'd make this ship available via in-game mechanics, and we KEPT OUR PROMISE!"

    Never mind the fact that it was done in a very devious fashion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Yeah, it gives D'Angelo the ability to say, "See, I TOLD YOU we'd make this ship available via in-game mechanics, and we KEPT OUR PROMISE!"

    Never mind the fact that it was done in a very devious fashion.

    Keeping a promise by keeping a promise is not the most devious thing I have heard. It seems like there is no way for Cryptic to win with some customers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Shonto wrote:
    Keeping a promise by keeping a promise is not the most devious thing I have heard. It seems like there is no way for Cryptic to win with some customers.

    There's such a thing as technically keeping a promise, but breaking the spirit of a promise.

    Sure they're putting it in for four days, but its a stripped down model. Oh and it will be available later. Eventually. Maybe. Don't know when, don't know how. Just remember though, Plans Change (tm).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hravik wrote:
    There's such a thing as technically keeping a promise, but breaking the spirit of a promise.

    Sure they're putting it in for four days, but its a stripped down model. Oh and it will be available later. Eventually. Maybe. Don't know when, don't know how. Just remember though, Plans Change (tm).

    Please show me where the loaded version is, because I am betting it does not exist, and without a loaded version you can't have a stripped version.

    If you are worried that they come out with a better version in the future then I think you are out of luck, because this game will always have new content for the player base and I doubt they will stop just because you want your ship to be the best, or whatever you are clawing at.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Shonto wrote:
    Please show me where the loaded version is, because I am betting it does not exist, and without a loaded version you can't have a stripped version.

    It's going in the CStore. We've already been informed there's a +1 version headed there and have seen it's special abilities.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I just imagined something from the movies. About the Excelsior Retrofit's more humble beginnings more than a century back in the timeline...

    Kirk: "Your new Enterprise sucks!"
    Harriman: "Wait? What? Captain Kirk, the Enterprise-B is an Excelsior Refit! It's one of the most modern vessel in the fleet - Starfleet's new flagship!"
    Kirk: "My Enterprise was better! At least she had a tractor beam and photon torpedoes!"
    Harriman: "We will too! ...we're getting those Tuesday from the C-Store."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    It's going in the CStore. We've already been informed there's a +1 version headed there and have seen it's special abilities.

    Sounds interesting, can you link it?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Shonto wrote:
    Sounds interesting, can you link it?

    No he can't. It's only a supposition based on pictures showing the Odyssey with saucer seperation and showing a rather large auxillary craft docked in the tail section. We can assume but have no actual dev proof that a c-store version would at least have saucer sep but I could be wrong and they may have set it up for sep but the only way to get it is to move the console over from the Galaxy-R. It's all guess work at this point.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    No he can't. It's only a supposition based on pictures showing the Odyssey with saucer seperation and showing a rather large auxillary craft docked in the tail section. We can assume but have no actual dev proof that a c-store version would at least have saucer sep but I could be wrong and they may have set it up for sep but the only way to get it is to move the console over from the Galaxy-R. It's all guess work at this point.

    Isn't that the reason why they made the special abilities a console in the first place? I specifically remember them wanting the abilities as consoles to have them transferable from one ship to the next.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Omega_X wrote:
    Isn't that the reason why they made the special abilities a console in the first place? I specifically remember them wanting the abilities as consoles to have them transferable from one ship to the next.

    Not always, I can't use the Defiant Retrofit's cloaking device in my Sao Paulo.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Shonto wrote:
    Sounds interesting, can you link it?

    I think you have me confused with Google.

    Go watch STOKed, or start checking twitter. It's been confirmed number times by both Dstahl and Geko, for months now, that variations of the Odyssey are coming to the CStore, and Geko specifically twittered that the special abilities would not be on the free version.

    EDIT:

    Just because I have this link handy, and I believe Geko confirmed it in his Podcast UGC interview, you should be able to confirm it for yourself here. Enjoy. (see how nice a guy I am?)

    /EDIT
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I think you have me confused with Google.

    The point is that there is no C-store version, which means until there is one, the free one is the only one so can not be a stripped version of something that does not exist yet.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Shonto, do not equate my not being your personal search engine with dishonesty. I've been following the interviews with the developers, if you haven't that's not my fault, nor is it my responsibility to keep you up to date when you refuse to do that for yourself. Regardless, I ended up giving you a link anyway.
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