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I have been playing with the Klingon Carriers and found them somewhat fun. Are there any plans for a federation carrier?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    ohhhh god not these again. they said ages and ages ago that the feds wont get one
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    And thank God they won't. Not very Starfleet at all. This idea is long dead and good riddance.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    If you absolutely must have a carrier like experience get the biggest slowest turning star cruiser you can and use scorpions with it.

    Or go use the MVAM Prometheus, that's really the Fed's unique 'pet' mechanic ship.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Quick...everyone grab shovels and bury this thread.

    *Goes and gets Very Rare MK XII Shovel*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Never Say Never...

    If at some point They think They could make Money on one...

    It will probably hit the C-Store.

    These are all new times we are a living in...

    And everybody knows that the Akira was originally meant to be a Through-deck Carrier...

    So like it or not, there is precedence.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    DaveyNY wrote: »
    Never Say Never...

    If at some point They think They could make Money on one...

    It will probably hit the C-Store.

    These are all new times we are a living in...

    And everybody knows that the Akira was originally meant to be a Through-deck Carrier...

    So like it or not, there is precedence.

    Precedence, perhaps... But how many Peregrines did you see explode to volleys of precise phaser fire in DS9? Originally-designed and actually-seen are two very different things.

    The only thing we know about the Akira is that she was a mainline cruiser that served in the Dominion war which was reputed to have a very potent torpedo arsenal.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Koppenflak wrote:
    Precedence, perhaps... But how many Peregrines did you see explode to volleys of precise phaser fire in DS9? Originally-designed and actually-seen are two very different things.

    The only thing we know about the Akira is that she was a mainline cruiser that served in the Dominion war which was reputed to have a very potent torpedo arsenal.

    How many times have we seen on-screen...

    A TOS Constitution and/or a NX-01, destroy a Romulan D'deridex...?...

    A Medical Ship Pasture, take on and beat a Klingon Negh'Var...?... (quite the opposite in fact)

    When exactly did we see a Gladius Class Escort, a Luna Class Recon Vessel or an Oracle Class Deep Space Ship..?...

    And where exactly did all those exploding Peregrine fighters come from in the series'...?...

    The battles they were shown in were substantially away from any Federation Base...,

    It's doubtful they got to the battle on their own... Some Mother-Ship/Ships must have carried them.

    There are plenty of examples in this game of the Dev's taking Liberties with the IP.

    As I said at the outset... Never Say Never.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    DaveyNY wrote: »
    The battles they were shown in were substantially away from any Federation Base...,

    It's doubtful they got to the battle on their own... Some Mother-Ship/Ships must have carried them.

    Given that those things were always out before the fleet warped to its destination, it's unlikely they were launched, then recovered before going to warp.
    In fact in the first episode of Ds9's season 6 we see that even damaged models travel under their own power.
    We also know those things are about as long and as wide as a 737 (30 meters) and also have a bigger volume.
    Very few ships could carry them and they are warp capable just like Runabouts (which have an operational range of 2 weeks assigned to them in the DS9 manual).
    In addition we've seen numerous times that a ship can carry other ships (even ones without warp drive) inside its own warpfield.
    So there's no actual need for a ship to "carry" them inside its hangar.
    You can just cluster them around a ship and put the warpdrive on standby and go along for the ride.
    And given we've already got even smaller craft designed for similar-duration long range flights, like the Su-34 which has its own small galley and bathroom even though it's only 23 meters ong and 15 meters wide today, why a carrier ship?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    About the Peregrines...
    I dont want to link the ex antes sciencia side that even questiones the ship we usually reference as such BEING the perigrine, but the only time the term "Perigrine" came up it was supposed to be a courier, wich means he would be able to travel by himself.

    Also the Maquis used it, they didnt have ANY mother ships, wich also proofs they can traven by themselfes and dont need carriers.

    About the question of a carrier..
    For once... I still think after the Scorpion fighters are in the game anyway, we should get devices like that one just with Klingon and Federation fighters (shared CDs, of course, not deploying multible versions.

    Also: I was always against the carrier before because I thing both sides SHOULD have their unique ships.
    But for some reasons the KDF got what I always thought was the Federation-unique type: Sci ships.
    From that on there isnt that much reason to keep carriers out of the Federation fleet (I personally still think the KDF never needet sci ships, but now they are there...).

    For the Akira, it being a carrier... well I tend to get a little unpolite if people continue to state its "canon" that she is a "Carrier/Torpedo boat"... since it was never established as such.
    That said: It doesnt mean that it cant be some sort of carrier, she wasnt established NOT to be a carrier either. The designers intentions may not be canon but it is it closer to canon then anything else.
    I see no issue why there shouldnt be a t5-escort akira with 1 flight deck like the Kar'fi for example, ablen to spawn a wing of fighters or a Miranda or 2 hull-healing shutles or 1 shield healing runabout (for example) ect.
    May be a nice feature for an already long requestet ship.

    But, to make that clear, I dont think the Federation NEEDS carriers, is just see no reasons against it any more.
    (But I think it needs a t5 Akira^^)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    I don't think the Federation needs carriers, and regardless of whether they provide fun gameplay, they don't really fit the franchise's depiction of space combats.

    But if we realy are to have them, I hope we see something like a "Drone Carrier" that launches only unmanned drones, instead of flying death traps.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Carriers are one of the few incentives to play a klingon.
    If you want a carrier play klingon, we need the numbers
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Everytime a Fed Carrier thread is up. A baby seal gets clubbed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Everytime a Fed Carrier thread is up. A baby seal gets clubbed.

    really i had better put loads more up then so i can get that new coat i want :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    I certainly think Fed's should get a carrier ship, with restriction of only one type of pet - Defiants.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    fallas wrote: »
    I have been playing with the Klingon Carriers and found them somewhat fun. Are there any plans for a federation carrier?

    No for the love of god no more .....AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    What? A point defense console for the escort that does 10x the damage to fighters is not good enough? That console pretty much counters any fighters a carrier can launch.

    If the Feds get a carrier (and I really hope they don't) then the Klingons should get the point defense console also.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Thanks for the replies all. I had not come across the post where it was shot down. If I had I would not have asked.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    fallas wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies all. I had not come across the post where it was shot down. If I had I would not have asked.


    Nooooooo - dina be ashamed that you asked, the place was getting stale anyway and a little drama is good for the joint!

    And now fo stick a nother knife in the wound, Caitian's always had carriers in their fleets and seeing as how they are a part of the Federation - I say bring it on!

    The times they be a change'n

    Forward Ho! ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    There was a Star Trek game that had you based on a carrier too. You played the role of a fighter pilot. Even TNG had fighters in one episode, in fact. Which was long before DS9 ever introduced the idea.

    The idea of a Federation carrier isn't that absurd. It's been done many times before in pretty much every form of media Star Trek has been in.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    There is a special circle of a very bad place reserved for people who ask for Fed carriers and people who talk in theaters. :rolleyes:

    (If you catch the reference, you win)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    It's going to happen at some point, a T5 Akira battlecarrier is more likely than not to happen. I do agree that if a Fred carrier happens, Klinks should have access to the anti-fighter console. Not much more than that, however; I can see Feds dabbling with fighters but nothing to the extent that Klingons have.

    I also think that a Fed carrier should NOT carry Defiants as well as Peregrines. That's just asking for trouble. =)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Adding a Federation carrier has been a repeated request, inevitably accompanied by advocates against the prospect.

    We currently have no active plans to do this. That being said, it is a topic that has been discussed internally. There are, however, several serious considerations:

    First, the Federation has tended to avoid building starships that are explicitly warships. It's true, they've been at war for a long time, and there are in fact episodes with small ships involved in battle, but it's clear there is a bias against this in Starfleet's design mentality. There are non-Starfleet Federation species that might provide a compromise on this point, however.

    Second, carriers are one of the few things that the KDF has that distinguish it versus the Federation, the prevalence of cloaking technology of course being the other. We have no desire for the KDF to lose this distinction, but a single-hanger flight-deck cruiser is something that might (emphasis on "might") be considered internally at some point in the future as a way of providing some of the gameplay to Federation players without significantly diminishing the KDF distinctiveness in this area.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    There is a special circle of a very bad place reserved for people who ask for Fed carriers and people who talk in theaters. :rolleyes:

    (If you catch the reference, you win)

    But what if I trade you Vera for your carrier?

    Back to Fed carriers (Your special circle of hell holds no dread for me!) I do agree that it wouldn't be a dedicated thing for Feds; I think Prometheus and the Defiant fleet kind of put paid to the idea that Starfleet does not build warships, but I don't see the Feds doing more than dabbling in fighters, and using a carrier for the very specific set of situations where fighters provide a clear advantage. (There are soft cannon references to carriers and fighters, in Millenium, reference is made to the carrier Thunderchild and its fighter wing. Of course, Millenium is almost as soft canon as the Shatnerverse, so YMMV.)

    Plus, the Feds don't strike me as the type to go in for attrition units (to use an old SFB term.) Fighters die with great frequency in space battles, especially when the naval artillery is capable of serving in both point-defense and main armament roles. Fighters might be good for customs and piracy suppression, but more than that and they will die fast. That doesn't strike me as something the Feds would be too fond of.

    The Klingons would be all over that, though. Today is a good day to die... for you and your nine squadron-mates who are making a photorp run on that Fed d'nought. Kai kassai klingonai! and boom goes the Glory Device. (Bonus points if you get THOSE references!)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Heretic wrote:
    First, the Federation has tended to avoid building starships that are explicitly warships. Second, carriers are one of the few things that the KDF has that distinguish it versus the Federation, the prevalence of cloaking technology of course being the other. We have no desire for the KDF to lose this distinction, but a single-hanger flight-deck cruiser is something that might (emphasis on "might") be considered internally at some point in the future as a way of providing some of the gameplay to Federation players without significantly diminishing the KDF distinctiveness in this area.

    Y'know, aside from the Defiant, which was only classified as an Escort for bookeeping purposes. I sincerely believe that the Federation of 2409, with all of the challenges it's facing, is building explicit warships.
    Heretic wrote:
    Second, carriers are one of the few things that the KDF has that distinguish it versus the Federation, the prevalence of cloaking technology of course being the other. We have no desire for the KDF to lose this distinction, but a single-hanger flight-deck cruiser is something that might (emphasis on "might") be considered internally at some point in the future as a way of providing some of the gameplay to Federation players without significantly diminishing the KDF distinctiveness in this area.

    I'm much happier with this explanation. I think the Akira class would make an excellent single-hanger ship, since so many soft canon sources treat it like one.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Yes the T5 Akira escort with a hangar bay!

    :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Burn It!!!!!!!!! Burn It With Fire!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    I personally am not interested in any further increase in the number of carriers available for either faction. I'd rather not see one Fed side ever, but if it has to happen I hope they wait until after buggy pets, laggy UI, and targeting controls are addressed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Heretic wrote:
    Adding a Federation carrier has been a repeated request, inevitably accompanied by advocates against the prospect.

    We currently have no active plans to do this. That being said, it is a topic that has been discussed internally. There are, however, several serious considerations:

    First, the Federation has tended to avoid building starships that are explicitly warships. It's true, they've been at war for a long time, and there are in fact episodes with small ships involved in battle, but it's clear there is a bias against this in Starfleet's design mentality. There are non-Starfleet Federation species that might provide a compromise on this point, however.

    Second, carriers are one of the few things that the KDF has that distinguish it versus the Federation, the prevalence of cloaking technology of course being the other. We have no desire for the KDF to lose this distinction, but a single-hanger flight-deck cruiser is something that might (emphasis on "might") be considered internally at some point in the future as a way of providing some of the gameplay to Federation players without significantly diminishing the KDF distinctiveness in this area.
    Just add the carrier ability to the Dreadnaught, that way it has all the good stuff except for transwarp! :p Or maybe the t5 Excel, a console only it can use. :eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2011

    You do realize they can't use that ship in this game right....?
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