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Odyssey class: C-Store/1000 Veteran Reward/Or Cancelled??

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I would like to know where we stand with this new Odyssey class ship (NCC-1701-F) and if at all we will ever get to fly her. There has been talk on the forums that everyone thinks that she will end up on the Cstore. Now of course I really dont mind that at all as the work that went in to her is prety sweet and I really dont mind parting with money for her. The one thing that upsets me though Is there has been no confirmation for at least 4 months now and Im starting to worry if we get to see her at all.

To any dev on the forums...could you at least tell us whats going on with her. Will we be able to add her to our list of ships, will she just be a NPC etc.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    The last I heard, it was coming out with the DS9 featured series and will be a reward for "completing a series of fleet actions".

    Since the fleet action has been put back to release with or shortly after the F2P launch, it's technically not late or anything yet so I don't see a reason to believe the situation has changed.

    I would say it's guaranteed to be a playable ship when it's released. Whether they put it in the C-Store is up in the air. Personally I believe getting in game will be hard (but possible), but it will be in the C-Store as well anyway.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    GalaxiaGuy wrote: »
    The last I heard, it was coming out with the DS9 featured series and will be a reward for "completing a series of fleet actions".

    Since the fleet action has been put back to release with or shortly after the F2P launch, it's technically not late or anything yet so I don't see a reason to believe the situation has changed.

    I would say it's guaranteed to be a playable ship when it's released. Whether they put it in the C-Store is up in the air. Personally I believe getting in game will be hard (but possible), but it will be in the C-Store as well anyway.

    Thats a reasurring post sir, but it would be even better if it was confimed by a dev. As I said before I dont even mind paying for it as its worth it just for the physical model of the ship, I just wish someone could just say "yes its coming etc".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    It has been said "with the next FE" since EVER.

    There is no new FE arround yet, or have you seen one?

    The model was already shown in the early version of the mirror event.

    What the hell makes people believe it was cancelled? Nothing, and REALLY REALLY NOTHING indicates this.

    Also: DStahl said it would be the reward of a line of Fleetactions... what makes you believe that has changed?

    I dont really get why people are that impatient about THAT subject in particular... there is nothing (of value) supposed to be released until f2p. !NOTHING!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    It has been said "with the next FE" since EVER.

    There is no new FE arround yet, or have you seen one?

    The model was already shown in the early version of the mirror event.

    What the hell makes people believe it was cancelled? Nothing, and REALLY REALLY NOTHING indicates this.

    Also: DStahl said it would be the reward of a line of Fleetactions... what makes you believe that has changed?

    I dont really get why people are that impatient about THAT subject in particular... there is nothing (of value) supposed to be released until f2p. !NOTHING!

    Calm down mate. Im only eager to find out officially whats going on with her thats all. Theres no need for posts like this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Calm down mate. Im only eager to find out officially whats going on with her thats all. Theres no need for posts like this.

    I apologize, didnt intent to sound that angry^^

    But all infos have been given officially... We are far away from the point where the Odysee class officially is supposed to be released... wich is the FE, wich has not been released and wont be soon (Ok thats technicly wrong, the FE was supposed to happen in October... and that was already to late... but we all know that circumstances).

    There is nothing indicating any change of plans besides the basic delay of EVERYTHING until f2p.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    1000 Day Vet Reward - No chance. Vet rewards are garbage and cosmetic rubbish so they would never put something so valuable in there

    Will it be on the C-Store - You betcha ! I fully expect this ship to cost more than $25 and probably end up being a +2 ship. The fact anyone would buy it just sickens me and stands as proud testimony why Cryptic continue to pull this garbage.

    Sheeple will gladly line up to get slaughtered ? - ChaChing !

    Available ingame - Hahahaha... ingame via dilithium trading for C-Points
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    they said time and time again that the F would not be a C-Store item but a reward for something... (if that won't happen there is going to be a Firestorm of Flames on the Forum...)

    "series of fleetactions" was just an example, don't count on that.

    The DS9 Series will "introduce" some of the crew of the actual 1701-F, they did not say that the ship would be the reward or if it even appears on the Mission.

    1000 day reward... completely possible... would suck for anyone else though... so i do not expect that one (i seriously want to know what thats one going to be though...).


    also i have to say with all those Tier x.5 ships that use the new design... the type 6 texture and borrow from the Deflector... the 1701-F lost a lot of it's uniqueness before it's even released. Which is kinda sad i think.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    J-Sheridan wrote:
    1000 Day Vet Reward - No chance. Vet rewards are garbage and cosmetic rubbish so they would never put something so valuable in there

    Will it be on the C-Store - You betcha ! I fully expect this ship to cost more than $25 and probably end up being a +2 ship. The fact anyone would buy it just sickens me and stands as proud testimony why Cryptic continue to pull this garbage.

    Sheeple will gladly line up to get slaughtered ? - ChaChing !

    Available ingame - Hahahaha... ingame via dilithium trading for C-Points

    You know what...if it goes to the cstore i will glady buy it because i enjoy and love star trek online. I dont care about play to win one bit because i love being apart of the star trek universe. Its posts like this that really make me laff because you are getting round up...by a game.

    Im a massive star trek fan and admitedly sto has its flaws when it comes to cannon, but i continue to play because no other game is like this, and of course the customization is probably the best ive seen in anygame.I can see 2012 being a good year for sto and it fully has my support.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
    they said time and time again that the F would not be a C-Store item but a reward for something... (if that won't happen there is going to be a Firestorm of Flames on the Forum...)

    Actually, they have said all along they may have variations available from different sources, much like the different versions of the Prometheus class.

    They're committed to the core version being in game. That doesn't preclude an alternate costume or variant loadout (with or without a unique costume) on the C-Store or offered through PvP or as a vet reward.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Indefinitely delayed, or cancelled, like everything else in this game?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Community Rules and Policies. ~Stormshade
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    All this talk about DStahl telling people it will defintiely be available in game...

    Since when has Cryptic's new masters ever cared what DStahl said?

    The Odyssey will be C-Store, and the only 'in game' way of getting it playing the dilithium exchange to get C-Store points to buy it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    J-Sheridan wrote:
    "Take my money... take it, I need another hit of Star Trek cause it makes me feel gooood."
    Cryptic Studios: Making narcotics jealous since 17/1/2012

    For other Star Trek games of better quality please see:

    Maybe you should try: Star Trek Legacy

    Star Trek Bridge Commander

    Nexus The Jupitar Incident Mod

    Sins of a Solar Empire Star Trek Mod

    Maybe a blast from the past with: Star Trek Armada

    Star Trek Borg - Complete with the real Q

    However, I totally see how some would say STO manages to do what no other Star Trek game has done before. Now they literally get to print money by offering pretty pixels to people rather than make a game that actually works, has character or longeivity.

    Cryptic Studios Policy: "Rip people off and prosper"

    When it comes to space combat, Star Trek Online is most similar to the Starfleet Command games.. and I'd say Online is better. I don't know why you'd even begin to compare it to Legacy, as that game was complete and utter trash, even the developers didn't pretend otherwise.

    I'm not happy with a lot of the changes or the way the direction has gone with Online either, but I think your exaggerating the problems just a tad. There's still a significant amount of content here, and soon people will be able to access all of it without paying a penny. Sure, there's things you can buy on the store, but don't kid yourself into thinking that you need things like Vice Admiral ships. I'm sure new players are going to be very happy with the offerings and see these restrictions as pretty fair.

    As for those of us who've been playing for a while.. Yeah, we've essentially been beta testing and unfinished product, but you'd have to be pretty naive to not have realized this from the start.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Bort1980 wrote: »
    All this talk about DStahl telling people it will defintiely be available in game...

    Since when has Cryptic's new masters ever cared what DStahl said?

    The Odyssey will be C-Store, and the only 'in game' way of getting it playing the dilithium exchange to get C-Store points to buy it.

    Good point, it still seems to me that they got purposly rid of DStahl because he made the failure of trying to make STO a "quality game" instead of a cash-trap.
    So they wont feel comitet to keep his promises.
    But unless I dont hear anything diffrent I just asume the plans havent changed yet.
    When it comes to space combat, Star Trek Online is most similar to the Starfleet Command games.. and I'd say Online is better. I don't know why you'd even begin to compare it to Legacy, as that game was complete and utter trash, even the developers didn't pretend otherwise.

    I'm not happy with a lot of the changes or the way the direction has gone with Online either, but I think your exaggerating the problems just a tad. There's still a significant amount of content here, and soon people will be able to access all of it without paying a penny. Sure, there's things you can buy on the store, but don't kid yourself into thinking that you need things like Vice Admiral ships. I'm sure new players are going to be very happy with the offerings and see these restrictions as pretty fair.

    As for those of us who've been playing for a while.. Yeah, we've essentially been beta testing and unfinished product, but you'd have to be pretty naive to not have realized this from the start.

    Well we begin to compare it with legacy because its for sure more similar then to SF command.
    SF command was 2 dimensional fighting based on a tabletop game. (Not a critisism, loved it)
    Legacy was in terms of gameplay as close to sto as it can get. Same steering, same shield mechanic, same "limited" 3d...
    And, agree or not... the Legacy mechanics were better, at least in my opinion.
    Targerting worked much better for example, battles were not that quick and felt more like Star Trek ect.

    Legacy has one thing especially with STO in commun.. both are unifnished with much potential. Legacy COULD have become a really really awsome game, a lot of mods show that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sure, Legacy definitely had potential, it was supposed to be the follow up the Starfleet Command games, and if the developers were giving the time to finish it, then it could have easily been. But it wasn't, and what they released was more unfinished, buggy and disappointing than any other ST game ever, in my opinion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Good point, it still seems to me that they got purposly rid of DStahl because he made the failure of trying to make STO a "quality game" instead of a cash-trap.
    So they wont feel comitet to keep his promises.
    But unless I dont hear anything diffrent I just asume the plans havent changed yet.

    You can speculate on Dan's reasons for leaving all day long. I think the stated reasons are reasonable considering he has a kid and a wedding/move to plan in addition to his interest being in board games.

    He wasn't "gotten rid of" though. If anything, I can guarantee you the way Cryptic staff sees it is that Dan got poached out from under them by an offer that better suited Dan's personal goals and they would probably reinstate him tomorrow if he wanted to come back.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sure, Legacy definitely had potential, it was supposed to be the follow up the Starfleet Command games, and if the developers were giving the time to finish it, then it could have easily been. But it wasn't, and what they released was more unfinished, buggy and disappointing than any other ST game ever, in my opinion.

    Waiting for the penny to drop.... 3 ... 2 ... 1...

    Legacy dosent make you continue to pay for it while you wait for the developers to fix it... and then the developers turn around and offer 'content' with a price tag. THEN the developers decide to TRIBBLE the existing playerbase in favour of attracting a new one.

    Its nice to know Cryptic will happily drop their customers for an extra buck and when people complain the response is: It wasnt in our business intrests so deal with it or leave.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sure, Legacy definitely had potential, it was supposed to be the follow up the Starfleet Command games, and if the developers were giving the time to finish it, then it could have easily been. But it wasn't, and what they released was more unfinished, buggy and disappointing than any other ST game ever, in my opinion.

    Could you and the other one please go get in the CDF lines please? ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    You can speculate on Dan's reasons for leaving all day long. I think the stated reasons are reasonable considering he has a kid and a wedding/move to plan in addition to his interest being in board games.

    He wasn't "gotten rid of" though. If anything, I can guarantee you the way Cryptic staff sees it is that Dan got poached out from under them by an offer that better suited Dan's personal goals and they would probably reinstate him tomorrow if he wanted to come back.

    Hate to say this guys but can we stick on topic please, I dont want another one of my threads diverting course. So...The Odyssey class, when will we get to see it Cryptic?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    I'll tell you, however they release her,, get ready to do some serious grinding. If you need to do 30+ STFs to get that elite gear, just imagine what flaming hoops you will need to jump through for a whole ship !
    Remember they want to "slow things down" ........

    My question is, How much dilithium is it going to cost us?
    They might not put it in the C store directly, BUT if they attach a dilithium charge .
    I wouldn't be surprise to see a HEFTY dillithium charge.

    I'd love to be proved wrong about this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sure, Legacy definitely had potential, it was supposed to be the follow up the Starfleet Command games, and if the developers were giving the time to finish it, then it could have easily been. But it wasn't, and what they released was more unfinished, buggy and disappointing than any other ST game ever, in my opinion.

    Well we were comparing wiches basic game mechanic was moe similar to STO (SFC or Legacy) and I thing thats Legacy. And I thing Legacy had better mechanics... unifished, yes, like STO, but imo FAR FAR more atmospheric then STO.
    Also...
    Hard to compare it on other levels, games like SFC and Legacy and any other ST-game are not meant to be played as long as an MMO. They are very diffrent in their basics. A SP game USUALLY i supposed to be entertaining a few hours... (very few in leacys campaign I admit), STO is supposed to entertain for month of actual INGAME time.

    Also... I sign was J-Sheridan said...
    You can speculate on Dan's reasons for leaving all day long. I think the stated reasons are reasonable considering he has a kid and a wedding/move to plan in addition to his interest being in board games.

    He wasn't "gotten rid of" though. If anything, I can guarantee you the way Cryptic staff sees it is that Dan got poached out from under them by an offer that better suited Dan's personal goals and they would probably reinstate him tomorrow if he wanted to come back.

    Sorry but if you would ask me "one of both is real: DStahls reasons of leaving or Santa Clause".... I go with Santa.
    The timing, everyhing DStahl said before suddenly leaving, everything what happened AFTER that... that speaks a prety clear language
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    I bet Cryptics integrity this ship will be in the C-Store and I dont care if the EP or any Cryptic employee comes in this thread and says otherwise. I wouldnt trust them telling me rain was wet unless I acutally went out and checked.... no doubt when I got back I would find they had charged me for the tip.

    This ship will be in the C-Store

    If they intended ships to be earnable ingame... funny how the EXISTING ingame ships vanished to the C-Store, huh ?

    Now you expect them to offer a NEW ship via ingame methods ?

    If you try to hold them to the 'ingame' means they will say:
    sdangelo wrote: »
    The way things worked out here at Cryptic is that, after the post which was quoted at the start of this thread, we decided that we were definitely not going to re-instate the free Vice Admiral Ship Token for all players. It isn't in the best interest of our business. I know that it is unpopular, but that is the decision we made. And we plan to stick with it.

    Stephen D'Angelo
    Executive Producer
    Star Trek Online

    If you DARE point this out though you will get threatened with silencing because your taking them out of context and it totally dosent apply.

    Result:
    Odyssey Class: 2000 Cryptic Points
    Naturally comes with a BS ability

    Coming to you in 6/6/2012
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
    they said time and time again that the F would not be a C-Store item but a reward for something... (if that won't happen there is going to be a Firestorm of Flames on the Forum...)

    I hate to say this, but... we've all heard this prediction about a lot of things and things are still going along in the same direction. ("Where are we going and why am i in this handbasket?") So... fury in the forums? At this point I have to say I don't see much fury even if they release the Odyssey in the C-Store. Even if there's a Holodeck wipe (which is about as unlikely and rage-inducing as anything I can think of.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    and if the developers were giving the time to finish it, then it could have easily been. But it wasn't, and what they released was more unfinished, buggy and disappointing than any other ST game ever, in my opinion.

    There's something of deja vu in this. :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    legacy was a colossal failure-

    One glaring thing for me... it had zero subtitles. I'm deaf, yay.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    if it goes 1000, then the chances are it's possibly this game maybe canned by then, but in the chance it isn't it will take forever to reach it, like putting a goal post 5 miles away and expecting to hit the back of the net with a football 5 miles back, there is not a snowballs hell in chance you wil get it for a while. so i fail to see the logic in that choice. i think the others said it best, probably the new FE coming out in 2012.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    I'm starting to think there is a pattern here. Why is that every star trek game ever made, with the possible exception of Elite Force 1 and 2 were horribly mired with flaws?

    The only thing that is consistent throughout all the games is CBS. <
    hm
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    joebobkill wrote: »
    I'm starting to think there is a pattern here. Why is that every star trek game ever made, with the possible exception of Elite Force 1 and 2 were horribly mired with flaws?

    The only thing that is consistent throughout all the games is CBS. <
    hm

    Not entirely CBS. CBS only got the IP relatively recently in the history of Trek gaming. IIRC, Paramount sold it to CBS not long before they produced JJTrek. In fact, I very distinctly remember Viacom/Paramount's logo in a number of Trek games.

    Trek games have just had a spotty history. Most franchise tie-in games are pretty much the equivalent of rail-shooters. Trek actually managed to generate a large number of relatively unique games, some of which stank, some of which are remembered fondly. SC2, EF1, and Klingon Academy are three that stand out. (EF1 in particular was a shot in the arm to Trek gaming in general at the time. Until then, the only Trek FPS was Klingon Honor Guard which was panned.) Of course, for the successes, there were failures: Starfleet Academy, New Worlds, and a bunch of others that I won't mention because weather they're good or bad is subjective. :p

    So it's not really CBS's fault, or even any IP holder's fault. Trek, like Star Wars, has had a lot of games made out from it, more than any other popular media franchise, and some are gems while some are stinkers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    joebobkill wrote: »
    I'm starting to think there is a pattern here. Why is that every star trek game ever made, with the possible exception of Elite Force 1 and 2 were horribly mired with flaws?

    The only thing that is consistent throughout all the games is CBS. <
    hm

    What?
    Where were SFC, Bridge Commander, Armada, A final Unity, Starfleet Academy, Klingon Academy ect horribly mired with flaws?

    There were more awsome ST games then bead ones... and some prety mediocre games like Away team or the fallen...

    Legacy was, in the state it was released, worst then awfull but, as I said, with lots of potential... Beside that I dont remember any really bad ST games (althogh I havent played any console st games)

    Edit:
    V-Mink wrote:
    Trek games have just had a spotty history. Most franchise tie-in games are pretty much the equivalent of rail-shooters. Trek actually managed to generate a large number of relatively unique games, some of which stank, some of which are remembered fondly. SC2, EF1, and Klingon Academy are three that stand out. (EF1 in particular was a shot in the arm to Trek gaming in general at the time. Until then, the only Trek FPS was Klingon Honor Guard which was panned.) Of course, for the successes, there were failures: Starfleet Academy, New Worlds, and a bunch of others that I won't mention because weather they're good or bad is subjective. :p

    Now that you mention it: New Worlds was prety awfull, too. And that "klingon" and "Borg" interactive movie-things were not that great either...

    But ST: Academy? Back then I really enjoyed this game.
    And Honor gurad wasnt really great but I thing it wasnt that bad either...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    What?
    Where were SFC, Bridge Commander, Armada, A final Unity, Starfleet Academy, Klingon Academy ect horribly mired with flaws?

    There were more awsome ST games then bead ones... and some prety mediocre games like Away team or the fallen...

    Legacy was, in the state it was released, worst then awfull but, as I said, with lots of potential... Beside that I dont remember any really bad ST games (althogh I havent played any console st games)

    Edit:


    Now that you mention it: New Worlds was prety awfull, too. And that "klingon" and "Borg" interactive movie-things were not that great either...

    But ST: Academy? Back then I really enjoyed this game.
    And Honor gurad wasnt really great but I thing it wasnt that bad either...

    I think you have made your point mate. As I said before I want to keep at least one of my threads on track without it being closed down (I've had three threads closed down due to people ranting about something completly different to what I started the thread for), so can we get on track and start debating the Odyssey class again please.
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