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It seems as usual the Klingons continue to get the short end of the stick. Although it has been acknowledged that the marauding values are way out of balance, nothing has been done to correct it. Marauding is the Klingon version of diplomacy, with the ultimate goal of entering the Sirius Sector. What happens when F2P goes live, then a few weeks later the RA's go away. The Federation side has had the advantage of doing OL sector missions while the Klingons continue to stare at the Sirius Sector not able to enter and complete the RA's there. The major problem though is the fact the Federation has many ways to earn diplomacy, (explore, 2 different types of diplomacy missions, and Doff), yet the Klingons must rely totally on the Doff system. I have no problems earning the Marauder title, but I would at least like a reasonable goal and not something 6 months to a year down the road. Yes, I have kept in mind that diplomacy was a major grind (did it myself on my Fed toons Season 2). These are the current values:
Diplomacy Marauding
Tier 1 160 2,500
Tier 2 400 15,000
Tier 3 720 50,000
Tier 4 1,360 100,000
Here is my opinion whether it seems reasonable to other players on how the tiers should look for Klingons marauding.
Tier 1 1,500
Tier 2 5,500
Tier 3 9,000
Tier 3 15,000
Whether the CXP should be reduced is another question altogether, unlike diplomacy missions the majority of the marauder missions, casulties are moderate or higher, and should be rewarded with higher cxp.
Diplomacy Marauding
Tier 1 160 2,500
Tier 2 400 15,000
Tier 3 720 50,000
Tier 4 1,360 100,000
Here is my opinion whether it seems reasonable to other players on how the tiers should look for Klingons marauding.
Tier 1 1,500
Tier 2 5,500
Tier 3 9,000
Tier 3 15,000
Whether the CXP should be reduced is another question altogether, unlike diplomacy missions the majority of the marauder missions, casulties are moderate or higher, and should be rewarded with higher cxp.
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And nobody is going to lose their work. So if you unlocked a Tier, you stay in that Tier.
It says that you are here since feb 2010.... and you are still suprised?
What do you expect next? Content? Costumes? A Hairstyle that actually looks klingon?
The biggest suprise to me is that we got the DOFF system in the first place...
Wouldn't say surprised. But, I still prefer Klingon over Fed any day .
Well, they can add pets and uniforms and pay to win consoles designed to rip us appart to the fed side...
We still have the cooler ships. And orions.
And Worf.
I understand Michel Dorn never even got asked about his likelness being used in STO and is rather unhappy about it. (Rather being an understatement)
But we do have bodacieous Orions..
I just hope they get more KDF content plugged in here before F2P goes live. I predict severe dissapointment vented loudly and clearly my MMO gamers if the content isn't there. I paid in advance for KDF content and I'm still waiting as we come up on the two year mark for this title. I played Horde in WOW, I played Asmodean in Aion, and I play Klingon in STO. Aion had an imbalance in the player experiences between its two factions that it has never recovered from and because of it lost over 50% of its player base in an otherwise excellent and viually stunning MMO. WOW worked very hard to have balanced faction experiences from the start (and I don't care how good TOR is, they are never going to eaqual WOW's number of subscribers because WOW is just THAT good overall, and they keep the new content coming)
At that point I don't see STO making ins projected F2P release date if we don't see the new KDF tutorial and mission flow along with the needed expansion to KDF territory to pull this all off pretty quickly. I needs to be tested in greater depth then the in house QA folk can do. And the accelerated XP gain needs to be turned off to test it right..
Fed content has had 2 years to cook. KDF content has not.. And Cryptic needs to hit the floor at a dead run to pull this off. Elite STF's wer supposed to be on tribble Last week., and we only have one up and thats Infected... so Cryptic is all ready behind on a very yight scedule.. I guss we'll just see.
When did he express that? From my understanding STO Worf doesn't even look like Michael Dorn's Worf.
Every major push of data to Tribble during this test cycle has involved improvements and fixes to the KDF side of the duty officer system. Marauding and Military have, in fact, always rewarded at a higher scaled rate than other commendation categories (including Diplomacy; the problem with Diplomacy is it is still operating on the Holodeck scaling) due to their increased chance of fatalities. The fatality numbers have steadily dropped as testing has continued, and the CXP rates have climbed.
As for the Diplomacy rebalancing, this is an extremely non-trivial fix that requires multiple departments that are all strapped. We are working to get this fixed as soon as possible, including getting Marauding CXP appearing in places outside the duty officer system.
I am sorry that you feel frustrated, but this is a test server, and we are working as fast as we can.
What are KDFs getting when they get ti Tier 4 again?
you get 1 pakled doff :O
Rebalancing diplomacy is the least of the Klingon faction worries, rebalancing marauding to a reasonable level is more appropriate. First, the Federation side has had since July 2010 (i did the grind on my Fed toons) to accumulate the 1,360 diplomatic points for tier 4. Second, the RA's are not going to last forever and while the Federation side with the granting of diplomatic immunity have been able to enter OL since the start, the Klingons have not been able to complete 2 of the accolades because of no marauding title. When f2p goes live as it stands now, we start with 0 marauding have to get 100,000 cxp to enter sirius sector before the RA's are discontinued. I'm not trying to be combative, but somewhere common sense needs to come into play. I appreciate the work you have done and enjoy the Doff system, but taking the hard way to rebalance diplomacy instead taking the easier path and rebalancing marauding to reasonable levels is for lack of a better word stupid. We may be only 12% of the STO population, but we are probably some of the most loyal players out there. Instead of throwing barriers up at every turn, how about give us a small break and rebalance marauding to reasonable levels, so we can enjoy the same benefits as the Federation side of the house.
My Fed Capt is at T2 Diplomacy and well on his way to 3, while my Lt Gen Klingon is less than halfway to 2 Marauder. Hard to keep track of the type of missions I'm doing/getting on each side, however, for comparison.
Kinda like when you buy a ship on the Fed side and you put new improved gear on it, you can sell the stock stuff for Energy credits to a vendor.
On the Klingon side, all the stock gear has a value of zero and all you can do is discard it.
Inalienable, Human rights...even the name is Racist...
I think you missed the post above yours that says they're going to be doing just that with Diplomacy?
I think that's already the plan.
This.
Its not the Diplomacy that should match Marauding, its Marauding that should match Diplomacy.
Oh, is it? That's good then. I didn't see where it was mentioned, but I really haven't kept up with all the KDF info either. It was just something rolling around for a while. I'm glad to see someone thinks like me.
Here's an idea. Remember all those "shoot 5 things" missions where the fed would have "scan 5?". If they get Diplomatic XP we should get Marauding? Right?
That is a really good point. Even with focused marauding leveling you are not going to do that in few weeks.
My latest Fed is 200 points from Ambassador and is Commander 8 or 9. How's that for comparison? Of course new players from F2P launch are not going to get it that easily.
Sure, it has been around for a while on the Fed side, so there is a certain advantage for (older) Fed toons. But I fail to see what you gain from complaining about the past of the system - especially when a change to bring both sides to (almost) equal terms is in the pipeline.
Also keep in mind that not all elements of the DOFF system are already implemented. And that there still is testing going on that will change things - Heretic has done an examplary job when it comes to listenning to feedback and (constructive) criticism.
That's simply not true. Fed standard gear doesn't give any energy credits anymore.
Im STILL waiting on the Klingon Swordmaster Coat for LGs.
We probably aren't going to have time before launch of the duty officer system to add new missions just for this, so something like this is in fact a possibility.