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Ever since the announcement of moving to a F2P model almost everything that has been changed has gone against what Dan has said would happen in the switch.
This was what we were told, but these are the changes that have been introduced since that time:
1) No more Free VA Refit - All Refits are only available from the C-Store.
2) Tthe Free T-3 Excelsior and Nebula have been moved into the C-Store.
3) There has been a surcharge added to Craft any even MK items.
4) There is a limit on the amount of a currency you can refine in a day (Dilithium)
5) The ability to get the T-5 refits with in-game currency has been removed and the ships are now only available in the C-Store. (Using Dilithium to buy C-Store points is just a fancy work around)
6) The Craft Delta Flyer mission has been removed
7) The game is being turned into a grindfest. IRC it was said that STO would never be turned into a Grind...
There are probably more that I can't recall right now.
I play this game for fun. What is being created is a game that no matter what you do you either have to grind like crazy or spend a paycheck to get end-game items, and even to get items crafted.
There have been a lot of items that were available in game being moved to the C-Store, when we were told there will be an in-game way, IE. Tied to a mission or group of missions, to get Ships that were going to be coming out.
When Cryptic had Champion go to F2P there was no taking of in-game items and moving them into the C-Store. There was no complete change in the currency system. Most of all they did not turn the endgame into a grind to get an in-game currency (Dilithium) to use in creating or getting any items.
This rant is my opinion and the way I see what is happening now and is going to happen:
Many people who play STO have never played any type of MMO before and are playing because it is Star Trek. Most of these people play this game for a few hours a week to escape into the Star Trek realm to have fun and get together with others who enjoy Star Trek. There is a new currency that is only going to make everyone repeat missions over and over again to have enough Dilithium to buy the better weapons, then because of a limit, wait another 2 or 3 day to refine enough to be any to build those weapons. This is not fun, this is not escaping into a realm for enjoyment. This is grinding and people who do not play MMO's regularly do not want to grind. Because they will have to grind they will slowly stop playing the game. They may come back every 6 - 9 months when new content is released, but eventually they will stop playing. The same will happen to the gamers who play this game, when the grinding becomes to much they will also stop playing. Beside losing people because of the game play, you are also going to lose people because they cannot, or will not, buy C-Points in order to get the ships that will be needed to be even in the game.
I love this game, I have been playing this game since Closed Beta. I am not writing this to hurt anyone, I am writing this because this is what I see happening to this game and I also fear that I'm not the only one. A few weeks ago when Dan left and a lot of people were worried that his leaving would mean doom for this game we were told that there shouldn't be any difference to the way the game has been run. Since that time all of the above changes have been made. The feeling around the forum has gotten worse with each passing week, and with each item being taken from the game and being put into the C-Store, it get worse..... I am really afraid that you are killing the game....
I'm pleading with you to reverse these changes. Allow 1 free refit for making VA. Remove the surcharge for crafting. reinstate the Delta Flyer mission.
When you said that Silver player would not have access to the Foundry, you listened to the complains and made a way for Silver players to access the Foundry. I'm begging please listen to all the member that are asking for these things to be reinstated. Please remove or change the limit on Dilithium. Please do not make this game a grind...
It was said that you would take feedback and make changes, please do that now.....
The statements is this post are the sole ideas of me. I'm not speaking for others, this is the way I feel.
Thanks for reading my rant!
Basically, nothing changes for Lifetime subscribers: They continue to have complete access to the same content, items and episodes the way they always have.
This was what we were told, but these are the changes that have been introduced since that time:
1) No more Free VA Refit - All Refits are only available from the C-Store.
2) Tthe Free T-3 Excelsior and Nebula have been moved into the C-Store.
3) There has been a surcharge added to Craft any even MK items.
4) There is a limit on the amount of a currency you can refine in a day (Dilithium)
5) The ability to get the T-5 refits with in-game currency has been removed and the ships are now only available in the C-Store. (Using Dilithium to buy C-Store points is just a fancy work around)
6) The Craft Delta Flyer mission has been removed
7) The game is being turned into a grindfest. IRC it was said that STO would never be turned into a Grind...
There are probably more that I can't recall right now.
I play this game for fun. What is being created is a game that no matter what you do you either have to grind like crazy or spend a paycheck to get end-game items, and even to get items crafted.
There have been a lot of items that were available in game being moved to the C-Store, when we were told there will be an in-game way, IE. Tied to a mission or group of missions, to get Ships that were going to be coming out.
When Cryptic had Champion go to F2P there was no taking of in-game items and moving them into the C-Store. There was no complete change in the currency system. Most of all they did not turn the endgame into a grind to get an in-game currency (Dilithium) to use in creating or getting any items.
This rant is my opinion and the way I see what is happening now and is going to happen:
Many people who play STO have never played any type of MMO before and are playing because it is Star Trek. Most of these people play this game for a few hours a week to escape into the Star Trek realm to have fun and get together with others who enjoy Star Trek. There is a new currency that is only going to make everyone repeat missions over and over again to have enough Dilithium to buy the better weapons, then because of a limit, wait another 2 or 3 day to refine enough to be any to build those weapons. This is not fun, this is not escaping into a realm for enjoyment. This is grinding and people who do not play MMO's regularly do not want to grind. Because they will have to grind they will slowly stop playing the game. They may come back every 6 - 9 months when new content is released, but eventually they will stop playing. The same will happen to the gamers who play this game, when the grinding becomes to much they will also stop playing. Beside losing people because of the game play, you are also going to lose people because they cannot, or will not, buy C-Points in order to get the ships that will be needed to be even in the game.
I love this game, I have been playing this game since Closed Beta. I am not writing this to hurt anyone, I am writing this because this is what I see happening to this game and I also fear that I'm not the only one. A few weeks ago when Dan left and a lot of people were worried that his leaving would mean doom for this game we were told that there shouldn't be any difference to the way the game has been run. Since that time all of the above changes have been made. The feeling around the forum has gotten worse with each passing week, and with each item being taken from the game and being put into the C-Store, it get worse..... I am really afraid that you are killing the game....
I'm pleading with you to reverse these changes. Allow 1 free refit for making VA. Remove the surcharge for crafting. reinstate the Delta Flyer mission.
When you said that Silver player would not have access to the Foundry, you listened to the complains and made a way for Silver players to access the Foundry. I'm begging please listen to all the member that are asking for these things to be reinstated. Please remove or change the limit on Dilithium. Please do not make this game a grind...
It was said that you would take feedback and make changes, please do that now.....
The statements is this post are the sole ideas of me. I'm not speaking for others, this is the way I feel.
Thanks for reading my rant!
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Do you guys remember when this game first rolled out all of the spamming of real life money for energy credits? In a similar way is this not the same, only it is sanctioned direct from the manufacturer?
Tip toe'ing whispering "red rum" LOL
P.s. +1 on your signature.
It means Forced to Pay :mad:
(And if you don't want to grind, then the alternative is purchase those C-Store points...)
Thats the problem, we should not have to grind. Make it challenging, but not mind-numbing. Remove the Refinement cap off golds, let us have that one advantage, then thoes who are not pay to play (non subbers) the game can buy the dilithium from us, so we can turn around and unlock what was once free in the C-store.
This statement, deserves it's own plaque.
I agree, its like a huge kick in the head when ur down.
I do like some changes but others go to far, customers who already pay should not have to pay more for ships they should get for free, ie the VA ships, i don't have a problem with the +1s.
adding dilitium to the cost of crafting will kill it, it will take away the reason i explore, crafting material, and i love to craft and sell, its a great way to make some extra energy credits when i need em.
I don't mind a bit of a grind but this is too much
In the last year, I patronized the C-Store, and may have paid as a monthly subscriber while being lifetime. By sucking all of the fun out of STO, I can't think of any reason to spend time or money. I will keep plugging away on Tribble simply because things might yet change for the better, but so far it's only getting more and more grim.
I keep seeing people say this when Dan Spoke He was not speaking for himself he was speaking for and on behalf of management for Cryptic, Simply because Dan left dose not mean we should not hold Cryptic to there word.
Obviously "someone" wants the game to move in another direction than the game that Dan was helping to create.
I was really pleased with the idea that PW had bought it....now I start question it.
A kick in the head... maybe... but their aim is a little off. That kick landed about three feet too low to hit the head.
We were kicked twice, once in the nuts and once in the head, cuz there r greedy
Keep screaming and they will listen
the squeeky wheel gets the grease
This mess on Tribble they call STO F2P happened AFTER PWE enter the picture. DStahl left AFTER PWE entered the picture.
I think reading between the lines here shows what has obviously happened. This is all PWEs fault, they are a asian grindfest MMO company and they are turning STO into an Atypical Asian grindfest MMO.
Any questions?
Keep in Mind F2P in CO happened BEFORE PWE entered the picture.
This mess on Tribble they call STO F2P happened AFTER PWE enter the picture. DStahl left AFTER PWE entered the picture.
I think reading between the lines here shows what has obviously happened. This is all PWEs fault, they are a asian grindfest MMO company and they are turning STO into an Atypical Asian grindfest MMO.
Any questions?
Those have been my exact thoughts for some time now.
There has been a proliferation of pay to win type games in the last few years. This model is obviously very lucrative and as a result I have serious doubts as to the continued entertainment viablity of STO, especially for those of us who have been around a while.
PWE is definitely in this for the moola, why else would they have bought STO? Certainly not to just be the thoughtful providers and caretakers of the Star Trek legacy in the absence of any other current Trek media at present. They think they have a winner, and they probably do.
I would love to see the numbers. I have to imagine that even though the game is going F2P, it will make more money than ever before, at least in the short term. Eventually things will level off for them, but it should be a financially stable investment for PWE for years to come, and regardless of any new content.
Maybe we should organize an "Occupy Spacedock" demonstration in the near future to let our collective disdain for where STO seems to be headed known to our new masters.
Hmmm
Strange. I don't have a Cryptic employee pointing a gun at my head to buy things. Even if they did, I am still not Forced to Pay since I could always not Pay for anything at the risk of getting killed. There is always a choice in every situation. Some just have better incentives to pick them. Although, it is kind of difficult to choose between dignity and survival. F2P in my opinion is Free to Pay. I am free to pay for the game and I am free to not pay for the game.
Is there anyway to organize an Occupy Occupy? Just a have a problem with them since they say they are representing the 99%, but the 99% is the apathetic masses that are too concerned with their own lives.
Although this sounds like a great idea, the only problem I see is that the instances are limited to 75 people (I think)... But this could be a good thing, we can make 100 instances ..... Then maybe they would listen...
I wouldnt give Dan that much credit. He has been quoted as saying his intentions for STO has always been for it to be F2P.
Maybe we should organize a community petition and send it to CBS? They tend to take anything that negatively impacts Star Trek as serious.
This might be the best option... get CBS involved, since they still own the IP.
I think the biggest thing that is throwing a cog in the works with the PWE acquisition is the different gaming habits in the US and Europe as compared to Asia. In Asia, it is perfectly acceptable to sit at a computer and play a game for 8-12 hours a day. In fact, they pay some people to do just that. Whereas here in the US, these games are a luxury item that we have to work to be able to afford. Most of us play in our own homes, which means we not only have the cost of the game, but also the cost of the internet connection, the computer itself, and of course power and the other utilities to make the gaming space "habitable." We (most Americans and Europeans) don't want to slave away at work just to come home to a game where we have to mindlessly slave away grinding in a game every day of the week just to be able to "play" on a weekend raid run. If I wanted to do that kind of TRIBBLE, I'd have stayed in WoW.
That is absolutely the Truth.
PWE's Asian F2P model does not work in America and Europe, Period. Turnng the game into a Asian Grind or Pay will only kill STO. Unless they translate it completely into asian languages and not care if their push into western markets dies.
My thought is they are too short sighted to do market research and instead push ahead with what they know the most and what works in Asian, this is apparently their first product in Mainstream Western Society. I can appreciate a learning experience but the price is too high for them to learn from failure when its STO.
You think they would learn from the past, back in the 80's or 90's Rockefeller Center was sold to a Japanese company who vastly overpaid because in Japan that much land is very hard to come by and they put a Japanese price on American land. They sold it a few years later at a substantial loss.
This is what will happen if PW continues to put an Asian spin on a American game. If the people that are left at Cryptic don't stand up for the American way to do this F2P we are doomed......
/Signed. This is exactly what should happen.
reality is they have the IP licenses as long as the fee is paid CBS won't do anything... and it's their game they can alter it as they see fit..... every MMO is altered .. and we can't hold up a sacred chalice and say " but this is Star Trek!" this game like all others is changing... we as players can choose to participate or not.... but weather any of us do or not... STO isn't being killed....
I'm personally ok with the changes I've seen on tribble... I think this game is going to do well in F2P but I can see how others would think differently. I just don't think these moral high road threads are effective... or will accomplish anything.
Being a long time gamer I've seen all this before, many times, from other game companies.... this is not an unprecedented change.... it's a normal evolution of a game.
The high road is why SWG droped 3/4 of it subscribers between two major screwups. CU and NGE. They will do what they can to make money, hopefully they dont take it so far as to kill the game, hopefully they do listen to what people are saying and realize they are tiptoeing through the wrong tulips.
Remove the restrictions and time-gating on the pay to play members. Or you will loose a ton of them. You may game x ammount of short timer f2pers, but you loose people who wouldn't leave the game and would keep subbing, unless you did this.