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Major issue with the Dreadnaught Console - Dreadnaught officially nerfed WORSE
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Edit: Confirmed not to be true.
I'm not anywhere near being able to buy the dreadnaught on tribble yet, but from the description it looks like it only has a cloaking console, no lance console, and the number of console have not been increased.
This will ruin the game for me. If I have to give up any console in my dreadnaught cruiser, my gameplay will be seriously ruined. Can anyone confirm that adding the cloaking console effectively subtracts one slot because none are being added?
Cryptic: I don't care what you have to do, but don't cripple this ship anymore. Consider that Klingon Cruisers have far more crew, much more manuverbility, the ability to mount DC and DHCs, AND CLOAK, and have the same amount of consoles that the feds have. The ship is already worse then the klingon cruisers, save for the lance.
Make the Lance and Cloak into one console, and add a console slot. Also, calling the lance an advantage is kinda a joke given how much it misses. Maybe add a [Acc] proc to it, or cut down the time and damage proportionally so we can at least use it more.
I'm not anywhere near being able to buy the dreadnaught on tribble yet, but from the description it looks like it only has a cloaking console, no lance console, and the number of console have not been increased.
This will ruin the game for me. If I have to give up any console in my dreadnaught cruiser, my gameplay will be seriously ruined. Can anyone confirm that adding the cloaking console effectively subtracts one slot because none are being added?
Cryptic: I don't care what you have to do, but don't cripple this ship anymore. Consider that Klingon Cruisers have far more crew, much more manuverbility, the ability to mount DC and DHCs, AND CLOAK, and have the same amount of consoles that the feds have. The ship is already worse then the klingon cruisers, save for the lance.
Make the Lance and Cloak into one console, and add a console slot. Also, calling the lance an advantage is kinda a joke given how much it misses. Maybe add a [Acc] proc to it, or cut down the time and damage proportionally so we can at least use it more.
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I'm also a little confused what the point of the Gal-X's cloak console is, because (unless the Defiant Retrofit actually has a different console), the dreadnaught and the tactical cruiser retrofit are the only classes that can mount it... you know, the classes that specifically come equipped with a cloaking device.
I think the idea is that if you wanted, you could take the console out and put a different console in its place. The console is not solely to make the ability transferrable to another ship. While I don't care for the Dreadnaught, I could see why those that have it would want an extra console slot if the cloak is going to be a console ability.
The lance is not a console and still part of the ship.
So really the ship has not been nerfed at all. You have an extra console slot (engineering) if you want.
I understand the point, But I want my Dreadnaught to have every ability it has now, maybe even a buff, not to lose functionality which is what cryptic is doing. Klingon cruisers already get lots of advantages over their fed counterparts, so I'm not sure why cryptic is trying to yet again make this game more unfun then it already looks like it will be.
So many things need to be nerfed before the dreadnaught class. If the Dreadnaught loses an ability because of the cloak, then every klingon ship needs to have a cloak console as well filling up an EXISTING console slot. THIS IS UNFAIR.
This is simply untrue.
On live the ship has cloak + lance and:
4 Eng slots
2 Science slots
2 Tact slots
On Tribble the ship has cloak + lance and:
3 Eng slots ( 4 Eng slots - 1 for the new freaking console)
2 Science slots
2 Tact slots
So how is losing a console while gaining no new abilities not a nerf?
I just checked, I'm not seeing an extra slot, or the cloak on holodeck, nor am I seeing an extra slot, it's still stuck at 8, one behind normal T5 ships.
I think what the OP means is that the Galaxy-X always had 4 eng slots if they make the clock a Console they would have to add a slot for it other wise you are losing 1 slot or giving up the clock in effect losing an ability
that you payed for as the ship can only be bought or gotten thru the referral program.
current: 4 Slots clock & lance part of the ship
New: 3 slots + 1 clock console (total 4) + Lance (effects ability to tank)
I could be wrong but I think this is what the OP has in mind
Modified: 4 slots + 1 Clock console (total 5) + Lance
What stark said I know right now it dose not have a extra console however they have stated that all ships that get their power converted to a console will get a extra slot so we will see.
They better get an extra slot. otherwise it would be nerfing the dreadnaught.
In short, it would be awesome if we saw more ships able to use the cloaking console. Perhaps this is their intention for the future.
I wholeheartedly agree. There is no reason federation ships shouldn't have cloaking devices, especially if 2409 is supposedly one of the worst times for the federation.. with them having to fight Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, the Breen, the Borg AND the Undine at the same time. Its an unfair advantage the Klingons get, but when you obejjectively think about it (thats the real trick around here) Federation ships do not have a unique advantage of their own.
How so? It has two abilities that normal ships don't have access to, the Cloak and Phaser Lance. You can't really take away the lance as you'll be left with an expensive Galaxy so that stays part of the ship and explains the missing console. The second ability is then made a console which if you choose to use it means you lose a console slot.
It's not just the Galaxy X that's been adjusted this way, the Excelsior also loses a slot if the transwarp console is installed (although admittedly the Excelsior console is pretty much a must have), the Galaxy R has gained a console if you choose to remove the saucer seperation and the Intrepid is gaining an Engineering console if you choose to remove the Ablative Armour.
If you feel the Galaxy X is weak then that's something else entirely but asking for the Galaxy X to have a full compliment of consoles and keep the Phaser Lance is a bit much.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=236227
the Galaxy-X received no such nerf. The C-store description just hasn't been updated yet. As a matter of fact, it looks like we actually got a THIRD tactical console (and its about bloody time!!!).
So I can swap out the cloak for a 3rd phaser relay... SWEET!
IF that is true, it is truly good news!:)
I can make no promises only report on what was said
Weather or not I like the +1 is another matter.
If they do this, then they'll need to completely reevaluate all KDF armor and shield numbers, since they were balanced to Fed ships with cloaks in mind.
Good to hear if it's true. Thanks.
They could always have the device itself grant a shield/armor penalty on top of giving you the cloak.
Anyway, my point was just to emphasize that they could do it if they wanted to.
Honestly I think they need to review the entire ship roster they have now anyway; so that would be fine with me. Maybe as part of season 5 with the level cap increase and rumored tier 6 ships?
You do realise this may have been previously true, it isn't necessarlity anymore. The klingon cruisers have the same hull and shield cap as their fed counter parts.
So now it has the following:
4 Eng consoles
3 Tac consoles
2 Sci consoles
So just to confirm, it has though consoles, and only one additional console for the cloaking device, and the spinal lance remains built in?
When I claimed my ship, it had the cloaking device console on the 3rd Tac console. Spinal Lance is still built into the ship.
Thanks man! Made my weekend!
I can do without the cloak... for the DPS increase!
I just tried it with 3 Mk XI purple phaser relays and kitted the ship with phaser beams and cannons... EPIC.
haha. I love my play with it now, so if I change anything it will be gradual. but this is awesome non the less!
It's fine that they're the same for cruisers (specifically the Negh'Var has the same hull rating as fed cruisers, however the Vor'cha does not). Fed escorts on the other hand (who would presumably also have a console from the Defiant, as has been suggested), have higher shield ratings than the raptors, and much higher than birds of prey.
When you take a given advantage from one side and make it ubiquitous on the other side as well, then some reassessment of balance needs to be made. That's all I'm saying. I'd love to drop a cloak on my Prometheus as well, I just think that that it needs to be done intelligently, so that both sides still bother to show up for the party.