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Just reached VA and went to speak to Quinn. He said his blah blah and told me to report to Shipyard to get a new ship, said I had a requisition thing. Upon going to the shipyard and looking at escorts (Tac Officer) the only 2 escort ships for this level were C-Store only...
Now on Holodeck I can purchase 'one' of these ships via a requisition token, or from the C-Store. We were told that all ships would be available in-game somehow. Am I to understand now that the only way to get a VA ship on tribble (Or in F2P) will be from the C-store?
I hope this isn't the case, and needless to say was really annoyed at not having a ship to get at VA level.
Can someone please advise if this is correct or a bug oversight? (Which I am really hoping is the case)
Now on Holodeck I can purchase 'one' of these ships via a requisition token, or from the C-Store. We were told that all ships would be available in-game somehow. Am I to understand now that the only way to get a VA ship on tribble (Or in F2P) will be from the C-store?
I hope this isn't the case, and needless to say was really annoyed at not having a ship to get at VA level.
Can someone please advise if this is correct or a bug oversight? (Which I am really hoping is the case)
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As near as I can tell, it is working as intended though the changes are nowhere near complete. I believe that the VA level ships will eventually be achievable ingame but through an extensive grind with no discount or plaque to reduce the cost or make it a free ship.
Apparently, being able to trade Dilithium for C-Points is considered an "in-game" method by Cryptic. Go figure. :rolleyes:
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But being a VA tac on tribble I am currently frustrated with being forced to fly a fleet escort when I should be in a defient retrofit, and I will be extreamly angry if I can not get said ship without having to pay for it in c-store, when it comes out.
Also what will happen with the people who already have a Defiant retrofit on holodeck, will they loose their ship and be foreced to buy a new or will we be given a shinny new defiant with quad cannons?
Indeed, i thought everyone knew it was in-game when "someone" pays real money for your ship.
Wow so much for the promise Cryptic made to make all ships available via in-game means. Just another retraction of promises and yet further ripping off Gold/Lifetime subscribers.
I've had enough of this TRIBBLE. So far I'm failing to find a reason to continue paying for this game since everything is being taken and put into C-Store so we have to pay over again...
Thanks for answering my initial question Cryptic...
so... you're upset that you're not getting the super spiffy VA ships for free.
The ones that are purely optional.
The ones that aren't notably better than any of the RA ships, to the point that most people continue to pilot the RA ships, even in STFs.
The VA ships aren't even really a tier of ship, they are just RA +1 ships. The Galaxy retrofit is to the Assault Cruiser/Star Cruiser what the Rhode Island is to the Nova. One of them (Prometheus retrofit) is even a direct comparison to that, being the same ship with a spiffy ability.
You're upset that if you pay a monthly subscription to the game, you're going to get every ship in the game for free, except for those ones.
Yeah, I don't think you should continue playing, you're obviously just looking for reasons to be upset at Cryptic, and that's a sign that you're not happy here.
So, you're going to use one completely illogical argument (statements made months ago under a completely different finance structure) to justify a second completely illogical argument (purely cosmetic ships are the only reason you subscribe) and make a completely false statement (everything is being put into the c-store) when your whole "value" as a customer (your sub) is clearly failing to provide the revenue the game needs to keep running....and you expect them to care?
I'm gonna say it very simply.
The VA ships are not required to play, or to be competitive. All other ships have now gone to "get them for free". Cryptic has to find a way to pull money out of this mess somewhere, so if not VA ships, what?
Are you willing to see consoles, weapons, shields, gear in the C-store? FE's? No?
Instead of real analysis of the drawbacks and options, people whine, and expect that they should get everything for free because of their subscription. The reality is , like it or not, that with PW's business model, they could lose every single freaking subscriber and if they get 5% of the expected new players to spend $5 a month, they will make MORE money even with all the subs gone.
They've done what they can. To suggest that trying to find a way to monetize this when they are clearly going to have to do it somewhere is "ripping you off" merely shows that you are not being objective.
Its not that i want something for free, it is the fact they are removing the grind element and the various statements that the majority of ships could be earned via in-game means.
I grinded 500 Emblems over a good 3 month period, and when i finally got my D'Kyr it felt like such an achievement. I don't want to be told that the only option is a paid one. I enjoy the grind, i like having a goal to work towards. This would be why i am not impressed with the current situation with VA ships.
Not really, were it manufactured by another player, that might make a difference. Grinding dilithium to sell for CPoints is in no way the same thing. Sure you are grinding the stuff but nobody made it and the fact of the matter is, going to work every day to buy cpoints could also be seen as grinding for ships with that logic.
I'm hoping they are refurbishing the model so we keep our Defiants, but they are the newer model, hopefully with the quads.
the Quad Cannons will be sold on C-Store as the "special ability" of the new Defiant Tier 4 +1 ship skin "Sao Paulo".
Those will be WEAPONS, instead of a console.
You can use the weapons on the Defiant of course...
but Cryptic will not change the Tier 5 Retrofit Defiant in any way other than removing the Ship Token and Removing the option to get it for 500 Emblems, if you decided to get another Retrofit you gotta pay.
So have fun PAYING for your next Defiant, and PAYING EXTRA if you want the proper looking Guns for it.
Not to mention that there is a (awesome!!!) Ship Interior coming for the Defiant, which of course will AGAIN cost C-Points.
With any luck they maybe even do a Pack like the TOS one.
You know this for fact? If so, please link the dev post/blog/whatever that tells us this.
I find it hard to believe that they would release a new Defiant skin, and not reskin the Defiants already in the game. Also, there is no T4 Defiant. They are T3 and T5.
Are you sure about. Notice how they will upgrade the Tier 3 Excelsior and Nebula. It's not entirely clear yet whether any Tier 5 VA ships will recieve this upgrade, but they are currently more expensive then they were before on Holodeck in the Tribble-Store. Since you can pay for better ships at the previous tiers, it seems to me they are creating the expectation in players that you get some "value for your money" buy buying ships in the store. How would they explain it to the new players that they stop doing that at Tier 5? And still want even more money for these ships? All the rationales that apply for Tier 1 to Tier 4 +1 ships also apply to Tier 5.
I think Cryptic needs to think very hard about how to handle this.
1) If the don't give these ships upgrades, then they won't make the level of sales they expect from them.
2) If they give these ships upgrades, diversity at end-game will lessen considerably, as all the "free" Tier 5 ships will be obsolete.
So I think they either have to bite the bullet with 1, or they have to create Tier 5 +1 versions of all Tier 5 ships.
But as a player, I am not happy with requiring C-Store purchases to get the "real" endgame ships either.
I think they need to at least give gold players a dilithium price for these ships as well. This would also give more "value for our money" as well, after all, we're paying for a subscription.
2000 CP = $25
1600 CP = $20
the fact that if you sub for 14.99 and buy another 10 bucks in stuff of the C-store which is about 800 CP a month, using myself as an example I spend on or about 800 Cp a month, which means I would be putting in about $25 bucks into cryptic's pocket if I wasnt an LTS, now for the sake of argument let's say I'm a subber.
Now if I stay Gold, i'm still paying for my sub 14.99, plus this VA ship, is costing me an extra month's sub + an extra months of CP that use. Now if I do this for 3 VAs which is what most people do, That's 3 extra months Sub and 3 extra months in points, which puts it in the neighborhood of $60 -$75 just for ships, and as you said, not even "oh my god" ships.
I really don't know how to respond to this, I mean on the one hand it costs about the same, but on the other your hitting people up front. but at least with a Free VA token for one toon, one time, it gave you a taste for the VA ships.
My standard belief is that I don't believe in taking things away from players once they have them. Which is why I've always designed with that principle in mind, once you let it out of the box, its gone.
Dude Dilithium is just in game CP, keep that in mind, The idea is that you would grind out dilithium and you would exchange it for CP on the exchange. So while YOU may not pay for your VA ship, someone did.
This guy should get an award.
I'm cool with the VA ships being C-Store only. As a gold member, I'm not especially concerned by this. Also, my Holodeck characters that are using the VA only ships already have them.
Further, I'm willing to give Cryptic the benefit of the doubt. If you note, they've already changed the approach to ship purchases on the Tribble server. I think it makes sense for non-subscribers to have a harder time achieving end-game content like the VA ships.
We're here to bang on things until they break and/or until Cryptic makes them work right. Let's not forget it's a mutual goal here.
What he's saying is make those ships available without trading Dilithium for C-Points; give them a straight Dilithium price and a C-Point price. Let players choose how they want to buy the ship. I agree with that. There's really no way it will come back to bite Cryptic to offer ships both ways because the vast majority of people will choose the non-grindy C-$tore route over the Dilithium mines...I mean...grind. They did it with Emblems and people were still buying from the C-$tore. With Dilithium being so controlled it will be an epic grind just to get a different ship at any other tier, let alone a VA ship by Dilithium alone.
It would also be nice if, when C-$tore sales are ongoing, if the Dilithium price of ships dropped by the same amount.
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No ships are required to play. You could just as easily make the same argument about the ship tokens at all. I levelled to RA on Tribble in a T2 Nova without batting an eye. But everyone seems pretty happy that Gold subscribers are getting the tokens again, huh?
Additionally, ask KDF players how competitive they think that the VA Defiant is. The other two ships may not contribute a major addition, but that one sure does!
Why do they need to further monetize VA ships when they're *already* monetized for Gold subscribers at $15/mo? For silvers? Fine.. but your argument about F2P doesn't hold up at all when it comes to Gold subscribers. We're not talking about opening up additional ships to Golds or anything here, just continuing to offer approximately the same level of service that Golds have already received pre-F2P.
That doesn't make any sense. With the Dilithium->C-store conversion available you can buy every item in the C-Store (eventually) without paying a single penny to cryptic. Someone else may be paying for those C-Store points at some point, maybe (you can also trade your C-point stipend for Dilithium), but that's not your problem, it's not money out of your pocket.