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Diplomacy vs. Marauding

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ALlright.. first off... why the big advantage here to the Federation?.. I don't even want to think about how long its going to take me to score One Hundred THOUSAND exp from marauding DOFF missions to get the Marauder title.

Today much to my supreme ANGER I saw a federation player farming anamalies in the Azlesa expanase during the Multiphasic event. Federation players have 10 exploration zone. Could we please keep them OUT of the KDF zones. A player made Federation Ambasadore in the short amount of time since the tribble server relaunched for the F2P test through a combination of DOFF missions and going out and farming the diplomacy missions.

The only place KDF players canget Marauding points is through DOFF missions and to get the "Marauder" title which will allow you to enter (I assume) federation exploration Zones and the Sirius Sector required gaining 100,000 point of experience..

To achive the title of Federation Ambassadore requires a mear One Thousand Three Hundred and Sixty points.. and you get this great Uniform, you get Transwarp atbilities to Major hubs.. (SB-39, K7, DS-9) Can enter Omega Leonis and KDF exploration Zones.. ad can provide Diplomatic Immunity so that Other players can do the same thing.

KDF gets to enter Sirius Sector block (confirmed) and Federation exploration Zones (NOT CONFIRMED)
and gets... What? There currently is no text about any other rewards if any.

A perfect world rep needs to read this because "TOTALLY UNCOOL does not even begin to define this situation.

FIX THIS!

I do not feel like being polite about this at all, Fix it by the next patch please.


right.. 1.360 compared to 100,000
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    All exploration zones are open to both sides in order to give more areas for Colonization duty officer assignments. Given the distribution of star clusters, if anything this gives a slight edge to the KDF, as the only one requiring Tier IV Marauder is off of the Sirius sector, while several are off of the Klingon home sector.

    Note that all other star clusters are now open the KDF without achieving anything on the Marauder track.

    As for the Diplomacy and Marauding rank up times, the issue is the legacy issue of Diplomacy, and it is something that is actively being worked on, something that is non-trivial due to the DXP point scale. This is a known issue, and there remain quite a few more iterations on Tribble.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    [...]
    Today much to my supreme ANGER I saw a federation player farming anamalies in the Azlesa expanase during the Multiphasic event.[...]

    Oh noes, the bad feddy is taking away my place at the exploitive instant respawn anomaly? :rolleyes:

    edit: so far I haven't take a closer look but from my first guess for purposes of data sample farming going to the opposing factions nebulas is a smart move because no enter system anomalies show up (amiright?).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Heretic wrote:
    All exploration zones are open to both sides in order to give more areas for Colonization duty officer assignments. Given the distribution of star clusters, if anything this gives a slight edge to the KDF, as the only one requiring Tier IV Marauder is off of the Sirius sector, while several are off of the Klingon home sector.

    Note that all other star clusters are now open the KDF without achieving anything on the Marauder track.

    As for the Diplomacy and Marauding rank up times, the issue is the legacy issue of Diplomacy, and it is something that is actively being worked on, something that is non-trivial due to the DXP point scale. This is a known issue, and there remain quite a few more iterations on Tribble.

    ... we still need a confirmation that KDF Marauding levels will allow KDF players to transwarp to different sector blocks (would REALLY help with the Borg DSE's, for example) as Fed Diplomancy levels allow Fed players to. (NOT talking about KDF Excelsior transwarping ship ability.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Heretic wrote:
    All exploration zones are open to both sides in order to give more areas for Colonization duty officer assignments. Given the distribution of star clusters, if anything this gives a slight edge to the KDF, as the only one requiring Tier IV Marauder is off of the Sirius sector, while several are off of the Klingon home sector.

    Note that all other star clusters are now open the KDF without achieving anything on the Marauder track.

    As for the Diplomacy and Marauding rank up times, the issue is the legacy issue of Diplomacy, and it is something that is actively being worked on, something that is non-trivial due to the DXP point scale. This is a known issue, and there remain quite a few more iterations on Tribble.

    I think part of what has the OP annoyed is the fact that it takes us a lot longer to max marauding then it does for the feds to max diplomacy and the feds get more. To make it fair, give us transwarp to K-7 (klingons can go there, it's CANON!) and Grandala(sp?) and some neat uniform to show that we are a master maurader... I'd say give us the merc set, but we should have it anyway (why can't my orions wear the formal clothes (they are just green humans after all)? Give us something to equal the diplomatic immunity. We are going to get to fed species BOffs... right?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Yes, it's canon to go to k-7 when we aren't at war with the Federation....go there now and you would rightly be blown out of the sky.

    KDF should get some more transwarp places though.

    That said, I've been in favor of a KDF civil war where one faction sides with the Feds, if we did that then we could transwarp to K-7 and have all the other Fed content available to us as well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    No, no, let them transwarp to K7, but automatically tag them as hostiles to the feddies when they enter the map.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Kerrus wrote: »
    No, no, let them transwarp to K7, but automatically tag them as hostiles to the feddies when they enter the map.

    It would seem only fair to also tag them with Limited Diplomatic Immunity, as though they were on a "supposed" Diplomatic Mission as a gesture toward trying to end the War....

    The only time a "Feddie" could then attack them, is if They (Klinks) shoot first.

    At that point it could become an all out free-for-all.... :eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Yep, KDF would have to initiate the fight..Makes sense.. KDF Marauders should be able to visit K-7, DS9, SB-39, and perhapes have Transwarp to any/all other zones. But thats either allready determined or has yet to be figured out.

    I'm more interested in the imballance.. I have a lot of hours to play and its taken me a week to get the 2,500 points to get tier 1 Mauading.. to get tier 4, equivenlent to Federation Ambassadore, Tier 4 Diplomacy if I cant gain Marauding points at a greater rate will take about 30-40 weeks..

    And let us note that Marauding is Dangerous.. I have several DOFF's in sickbay.. On the fed side I haven't seen any DOFF's recieve injuries from Diplomacy missions gone bad..


    Oh.. and just as a side note.. Recall those "special Awards" for testing the DOFF system.. If Yoour fed be sure to do Diplomacy.. EASY MODE with a built in Exploit! Because regular Diplomacy missions with your character can also be done.

    Someone was not thinking. Diplomacy should require the same points as Marauding.. And anyone one currently holding the Tier 4 Diplomacy really needs to have it stripped from 'em, Really honestly it take my KDF 2,500 points to get Tier 1 It take Fed 1,360 to hit TIER-4


    Yea definatly an issue.. special abilities power thats all gravy and lovely stuff, BUT the BASICS on getting those points to get the tier rankings are grossly imbalanced
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Kerrus wrote: »
    No, no, let them transwarp to K7, but automatically tag them as hostiles to the feddies when they enter the map.

    This guy has a great idea, instead of a dipomatic mission give us the ability to well..be marauders. If th feds can enter our space dipomatically, we should be able to fly into thier space and blow things up. If a fed is in our exporation area, we should be able to attack em. Im sick of this one sided fed love in.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I agree Startuck. Raid Fed ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Sabre9 wrote:
    ... we still need a confirmation that KDF Marauding levels will allow KDF players to transwarp to different sector blocks (would REALLY help with the Borg DSE's, for example) as Fed Diplomancy levels allow Fed players to. (NOT talking about KDF Excelsior transwarping ship ability.)

    Confirmed. That is in the plan.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Heretic wrote:
    Confirmed. That is in the plan.

    Why isn't there a KDF Shipboard mission "Airlock Tribbles* ? ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    How about letting us raid federation npc installations in lieu of having diplomacy missions? For example the mission second star could award marauding exp. As for star clusters, instead of aid the planet, we could raid the planets suplies.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Why isn't there a KDF Shipboard mission "Airlock Tribbles* ? ;)

    Why puch such a tast delacacy into space?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Why isn't there a KDF Shipboard mission "Airlock Tribbles* ? ;)

    I kid you not. I've received Doff mission to both perform 'medical experiments' on tribbles and to bake them. mmmm...tribble....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Startruck wrote:
    How about letting us raid federation npc installations in lieu of having diplomacy missions? For example the mission second star could award marauding exp. As for star clusters, instead of aid the planet, we could raid the planets suplies.

    These in fact do already exist. They are dangerous, but quite profitable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Heretic wrote:
    These in fact do already exist. They are dangerous, but quite profitable.

    Care to elaborate what missions you are referring to?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I think he (Heretic) has misread the post and is assuming that you're talking about military doff assignments 'raid federation blah' or whatever.

    Since AFAICT there aren't any non-doff missions (that you go on with your ship and shoot stuff in) that grant MXP
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Heretic wrote:
    Confirmed. That is in the plan.

    VERY good. TY.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Kerrus wrote: »
    I think he (Heretic) has misread the post and is assuming that you're talking about military doff assignments 'raid federation blah' or whatever.

    Since AFAICT there aren't any non-doff missions (that you go on with your ship and shoot stuff in) that grant MXP

    Ah, I see. Yes, there are raiding assignments, but not currently raiding missions. We would love to see this sort of thing, but right now Content is slammed, a situation I do not anticipate changing before F2P launch, unfortunately.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Well thanks for the candid answer Heretic, any chance one day we might see those pvp Deep space encounters come back we had on tribble very breifly? with some fixed spawn points they might have been a great addition to the Klingon vs Federation war, I know me and the people I tested them with had a blast that night, even with the spawning issues.
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