I'm really unhappy with the economy and storyline changes. They are absolutely terrible for the game.
Together they take every shred of freedom, option, and choice in the gameplay and toss it out the airlock. I look at Champs and love what F2P has done for that game. Then I look at STO and wish they would scrap F2P entirely if it means such absurd changes are coming. I honestly can't fathom how these design decisions were made. It feels like two completely different companies.
Yes its early in the beta and more changes are going to come as more systems are put in and adjustments made. But these big changes are absolutely horrible thus far.
Doffs are great, and the new events have potential. But the economy and progression changes are absolutely terrible.
And through all of this there is that looming thing in the background. Even if you want to continue playing this game, why should you bother paying for it? The difference between Gold and Silver accounts can be summed up in a number of free things you get while leveling. So why not just sub a month, level your character, then go back to Silver?
I'm really unhappy with the economy and storyline changes. They are absolutely terrible for the game.
Together they take every shred of freedom, option, and choice in the gameplay and toss it out the airlock. I look at Champs and love what F2P has done for that game. Then I look at STO and wish they would scrap F2P entirely if it means such absurd changes are coming. I honestly can't fathom how these design decisions were made. It feels like two completely different companies.
Yes its early in the beta and more changes are going to come as more systems are put in and adjustments made. But these big changes are absolutely horrible thus far.
Doffs are great, and the new events have potential. But the economy and progression changes are absolutely terrible.
And through all of this there is that looming thing in the background. Even if you want to continue playing this game, why should you bother paying for it? The difference between Gold and Silver accounts can be summed up in a number of free things you get while leveling. So why not just sub a month, level your character, then go back to Silver?
They are from two entirely different companies. When Atari sold to Perfect Worlds (a grevious misnomer apparently) they changed directions drastically. This is not the same company as I signed up for, even I am not that insane about Trek.
-shrug- no faith lost on my part, though it's getting dangerous to post an opinion like that anywhere on most of the forum because it turns into flame bait
something to do with 'no changes just content' crowd spoiling for a fight...
The whole F2P thing was expected on my part and I look forward to it, the final change-over and the surge in subscribers
Hey, as long as some one is willing to keep the faith, it's fine with me. Keep the faith for all of us.
After playing this game from the closed beta, I have also lost faith. That being said, I will still play it, why? because I will get paid to, 400 cp a month. I figure that my 2 years of prepaid time was up on the 2 year anniversary, so, now, they are paying me by giving me C store points. I will save them, and give them back when a nice shiny comes out. Other than, I am power levelling my alts, just so I don't have to deal with the ridiculous TRIBBLE they are shoving down our throats.
-100 to Cryptic for letting their new owners force them into ruining what was once, a good community relationship they had with loyal players. They should have known there would be problems when their EP walked away "To spend time with his family" That is probably true, I would rather do that than bend over go against my principles.
Sorry if that offends someone, frankly, I don't care, I am offended by the treatment cryptic is giving the player base... the people who WOULD have tried to get their friends to play F2P... If they still faith.
When the announcement went out about F2P, I told a large group of my gamer friends to try it, today, I told not to waste their time. I bet Cryptic 1000000 Dilithium that this is going on with many others.
Fixing something that is not broken never eneded well.
Well the actual gameplay is (tribble!)-d, so I'll just stick to role-playing or using my already maxed out characters... and I'll hope someone will keep the game up, because I'll go Silver when F2P hits.
Of course, its still not too late for Cryptic to give Subscribers back their old rights and rewards.... while milking Silver players too.
Sorry Cryptic. But if something isn't done. I'm going to have to abandon a whole community I built[My Fleet] and pre-order and wait for Phantasy Star Online 2.
That is rather tempting, I still have a fondness of the old Fantasy Star games, and did mess with Phatnasy Star Online a bit. Then again some people will go to TOR, others will go to LoTRO, others to WoW (possibly... I know I won't). But yes there are many alternatives and if Cryptic and Perfect World Entertainment think that the Western market will put up with an Eastern style P2W economy, they are mistaken. The majority of us will leave, and some will badmouth the game. And look what happened to SWG when that happened to them...
But I won't count chickens before they are hatched. Cryptic has time to fix the mess they are making. Whether they will or not is up to them. All we can do is give feedback. If they decide to ignore feedback and plow ahead, then we will speak with our wallets and head to greener pastures elsewhere.
The biggest problem they have is the linear one track mission progression you can't get around. At least pull the Featured Episode missions out of that since with them in the track you can't do any more Featured Episode Replay Events. Plus adding new Featured Episodes would be problematic since where do yuo throw them into the chain, how to do you gate them? it would also be best if each of the Chains 'Klingon', 'Romulan', 'Cardassian', 'Borg', 'Breen', and 'Undine' are simply level gated like on Holodeck. You can start one without finishing the 'previous ones'. And for crying out loud, make the mission rewards level-appropriate via scaling like with the Featured Episodes.
Also they don't need to double gate Dilithium. Either gate it with dailies OR gate it with the ore to refined, but don't use both. Unless you add in an auto-refine for say Gold subscribers so they can earn a bunch of ore and then let it refine over dauys without even having to log in. It also makes playing alts a major hassle. The current economy on Tribble turns the game into a job. I've given up on it and am just messing around with the Doff system, which while still a bit buggy is being improved and the one good thing I've come across. They need to rework the Dilithium economy and give it a complete overhaul since this implementation is horrible.
If I wanted a game with an economy like this I'd have started playing EVE instead of STO.
I have a lifetime sub that has paid for itself so while i have tired to give feedback on things, if everyone's feedback is ignored and they shove an EVE style economy or worse into the game then they should call it Ferengi Online and not STO... we should all be Ferengi and the federation would be the 'enemies' since they don't pull this kind of stuff. I would like to know how CBS is allowing this change to go on... I mean if Cryptic and Perfect World Entertainment for example turned STO into an online dating simulator then CBS would most likely be knocking their door down with legal documents before they could upload the code to either Tribble or Redshirt. So my big question is why is CBS so silent right now? They are turning STO into what feels like a parody of EVE. So can we call STO F2P, Ferengi Online where you can be a Space Pirate and a crooked merchant.
What next the Ferengi Conquest of Vulcan to get more Vulcan Love Slaves?
Forget the pitchforks and torches... this system is going to roast itself if it continues in this direction. All I'll do is sit back and watch, and when Cryptic starts crying about the failed changeover... I know a lot of people will be able to honestly say "We told you this would happen but you wouldn't listen."
I know CBS has to vet all major changes to STO, so who at CBS vetted this stuff?
Not likely. Getting answers out of Cryptic is like tring to catch a greased up pig.
Oh that is simple, use a net not your hands.
How long before we have to trap someone in a net to get some answers. Real answers, not 'hey look a shiny is over there, ignore what we are doing over here behind the curtain.
But the real question do we need to chase down someone at Cryptic, Perfect World Entertainment, or CBS... or all three.
Spin up the slipstream drive and set course for a galaxy far, far away.
I'm sorry I need to quote this. As that is exactly what i have done. Cryptic...So sorry...but you've allowed the star trek license to and forgive my language...get shat all over.
I'm sorry I need to quote this. As that is exactly what i have done. Cryptic...So sorry...but you've allowed the star trek license to and forgive my language...get shat all over.
Listen folks, Star Trek isn't owned by Cryptic, they lease is from CBS, Stahl said this so many times. You **** and moan about PW, but CBS/Desilue still owns Star Trek.. They aren't going to satifsy your wet-dreams about it . CBS has a lore they want to follow, why do you think the new Star Trek paid tribute to the old instead of total earaser? Because you can't erase 5 dvd sets. In fact Cryptic has lived up to license. They kept Shatner timeline instead of the Abrahms.
I'm sorry I need to quote this. As that is exactly what i have done. Cryptic...So sorry...but you've allowed the star trek license to and forgive my language...get shat all over.
The Tribble FTP server has been up for what? only a week? This system is going to take *months* to change/tweak/balance. If they had a firm release date (say October 14th), and this was pretty much the game we were getting, I'd agree with you. But, right now, they've made a lot of changes in just the past week since it's gone live, and Heretic and others ahve stated things *are* getting looked at, changed, tweaked, etc, so, to give up faith after just one week seems, I dunno. I'd say shortsighed perhaps.
I'll be more concerned if things don't get changed as the beta testing continues, but, I just can't see it after just a week.
The Tribble FTP server has been up for what? only a week? This system is going to take *months* to change/tweak/balance. If they had a firm release date (say October 14th), and this was pretty much the game we were getting, I'd agree with you. But, right now, they've made a lot of changes in just the past week since it's gone live, and Heretic and others ahve stated things *are* getting looked at, changed, tweaked, etc, so, to give up faith after just one week seems, I dunno. I'd say shortsighed perhaps.
I'll be more concerned if things don't get changed as the beta testing continues, but, I just can't see it after just a week.
Keep telling yourself that. They always say "remember it's subject to change", but when have they ever really done anything more than minor tweaks?
The Tribble FTP server has been up for what? only a week? This system is going to take *months* to change/tweak/balance. If they had a firm release date (say October 14th), and this was pretty much the game we were getting, I'd agree with you. But, right now, they've made a lot of changes in just the past week since it's gone live, and Heretic and others ahve stated things *are* getting looked at, changed, tweaked, etc, so, to give up faith after just one week seems, I dunno. I'd say shortsighed perhaps.
I'll be more concerned if things don't get changed as the beta testing continues, but, I just can't see it after just a week.
Totally agree with you. It is a "test". I don't know why people have blown their load over it, but so be it, but me being a CMD 3 after a week, I am having great time messing with Doff system and having people by my stuff on the fake "exchange" so can get "energy" to buy better weapons with a lower ship.
Yeah, subject to change my ***, we see how things are tested and pushed live despite any feedback, cryptics track record speaks for itself.
You have Star Wars as your avatar, you already appear to have mind made up. Lets see how this new Star Wars games goes. So many have failed before. I am all up in it because I love me some Star Wars, but not as much as Star Trek. but I have already heard whisperings for Gamestop folks that this Star Wars, though cool, won't be quite what they offered. Gee imagine that. A company says something that doesna't pan out.
You have Star Wars as your avatar, you already appear to have mind made up. Lets see how this new Star Wars games goes. So many have failed before. I am all up in it because I love me some Star Wars, but not as much as Star Trek. but I have already heard whisperings for Gamestop folks that this Star Wars, though cool, won't be quite what they offered. Gee imagine that. A company says something that doesna't pan out.
I'm confused, are you arguing for or against Cryptic?
Also, people are "blowing their load" and "getting they're panties in a wad" (the sexism bit is nice) because Cryptic hasn't ever been receptive to feedback. The FACT that they have had things pushed live knowing full-well that there are issues really cements the issue.
I'm confused, are you arguing for or against Cryptic?
Also, people are "blowing their load" and "getting they're panties in a wad" (the sexism bit is nice) because Cryptic hasn't ever been receptive to feedback. The FACT that they have had things pushed live knowing full-well that there are issues really cements the issue.
Glad you like my sexism, but you say Cryptic hasn't been receptive to criticsm? Why have the change the ship buying? Before they wanted you suffer though grinding. Now they will satiisfy you cry babies by giving you ship at reduced price. And I'm sorry for the confusion but Star Wars was great. VI through VIII, I through III suck. Lucas should be ashamed.
You have Star Wars as your avatar, you already appear to have mind made up. Lets see how this new Star Wars games goes. So many have failed before. I am all up in it because I love me some Star Wars, but not as much as Star Trek. but I have already heard whisperings for Gamestop folks that this Star Wars, though cool, won't be quite what they offered. Gee imagine that. A company says something that doesna't pan out.
Yeah we'll see, Im kinda Meh about Star Wars so far... I really do like Star Trek more, however my wallet no longer likes the abuse. Im not going to take much TRIBBLE from Bioware either. BF3 looks ok...Im leaning that direction. The avatar is just a statement of my dissatisfaction with the direction this game has taken.
Glad you like my sexism, but you say Cryptic hasn't been receptive to criticsm? Why have the change the ship buying? Before they wanted you suffer though grinding. Now they will satiisfy you cry babies by giving you ship at reduced price. And I'm sorry for the confusion but Star Wars was great. VI through VIII, I through III suck. Lucas should be ashamed.
<Confuzzled> No, see they've done the exact opposite. Instead of having to grind for the Refits you didn't select or one of the optional Level cap ships, you now have to grind for every ship past Lt. Commander. Or you can buy the damn things off of the C-store. Which is the problem summed up, am I correct, almost everyone else who replied to the thread?
Also, you seem to have invented a Star Wars Trilogy.
Edit: For fairness/clarification; added "past Lt. Commander".
I would gladly trust Cryptic again if they do 6 things:
1. Give Foundry free for every F2P player (Deal breaker for F2P people want to stay playing PVE)
2. Make respecing skills for everyone free at all times. (Deal breaker for F2P people want to stay playing PVP)
3. Don't TRIBBLE crafting make it better, so you can craft almost anything but ships.
4. Enlarge whole starmap x 10 and make daily missions / stories in them.
5. Public apology to current STO customers for using their money & time for bug testing
totally bugged new game.
6. If PW forces you to do something, let them tell us bad news, we don't want to hate
cryptic for lying, because it affects all new game projects & games.
And if cryptic can't follow this path of being healthy spirited company, i will do all in my power to
ruin their future by telling everyone what a crappy company this and PW is.
And after all, i think that mission is to get most money for this game by getting people to stay onboard STO, even in future and spending huge amount of cashiola in c-store for ships & weapons & FEs = fast progress & happy F2P people.
I'm not a regular poster here - infact I generally prefer to lurk.
I've been reading the forums as of late and see alot of naysayers - normally I'd take it with a pinch of salt but several of these newer threads aren't just the naysayers - and that has me somewhat concerned.
I had a feeling of trepidation when the Atari -> PW move was announced but I knew nothing about PW so figured I'd see what happens.
I've been playing on Tribble for the past several days - the only positive things I've experienced is the DOFF system and the fact I took a walk down memory lane of the early days in my T2 Escort when I first started playing.
I can't make the points any better or any more direct than anyone else here - but to say I'm concerned with what I'm seeing is an understatement.
It seems to no longer be case of "To Boldly Go Where No-One Has Gone Before" but more "To Boldly Go - As Long As Your Wallet Allows".
Maybe that's putting it too simply.
Bottom line is that I'm losing faith in STO and the company behind it, I honestly didn't think that would happen anytime soon but the way I'm seeing things go at the moment, it's making me question my earlier decision to buy a LTS (not that I can do anything about it now).
However - I'm going to sit firmly on the fence, see what happens. I have my concerns, but I also have what's come before - the really good stuff that I (and many others) have enjoyed.
I truely hope someone at Cryptic is reading these forums and taking notes - if your customers aren't happy then they'll walk.
Heres the question though. At what point do you walk away from STO? What is the final straw?
For me it was the "Diaper Sprint/IHateDaddySprint". Watching my female borg tac flail around like an infant as she ran from one side of ESD to another was it. So I walked away from the game for a while. I'm still ****ed at them for that. Getting my new female Borg Tac (in all her borg looking glory) on the F2P server and watching her flail while sprinting was pretty damn ridiculous.
As a woman as well as a player, I felt marginalized. The game waved it's butt in my face and said "THIS IS NOT FOR YOU." One of the things I very much enjoyed about the game was the fact that women didn't run in some oddly sexed up way that made them look like lizards or lacking spines.
The fact that the F2P Tribble Test feels both restrictive (Forced chain progression, timed events, forced DAILIES) and honestly like I'm being mugged for trying to see past the fact that they made all my female characters look like jokes every time they start sprinting without holding a rifle. I was looking forward to the DOFF system and it's honestly underwhelming.
When I'm starting to consider switching to TOR when it comes out as viable option for a space based MMO (which I swore I'd never do) instead of hanging out on STO, well... that's when I know I'm past the point of no return.
I lost faith the second they moved this thread off the general discussion and into free to play feedback,
this is a general discussion, and hiding this thread here isn't going to make the problems the people are talking about in it go away.
No, but it does take it out of the spotlight and they do this every time they can get away with it. It's ok for the "powers that be" to put these F2P posts wherever they want but it's not ok for us to do so.
If you arnen't accustomed to the hipocracy by now, welcome to the club, this has been happening since release. We post a critical thread, and it gets shoved into a black hole, they post a thread and it can be wherever the hell they want it to be. This is the way it works here, they simply don't want to hear from us, so they attempt to silence us by killing the thread in a black hole.
Science Officer: We are detecting a 0.0001 phase variance in the slipstream drive.
Captain: Ignore it, it will correct itself.
Science Officer: 0.0002, 0.0003, 0.0004. Its increasing dramatically sir!
Captain: Your scanners must be set incorrectly, recalibrate them.
Science Officer: If we continue in the slipstream, we'll fall out!
Captain: Very well Commander, I will fix the problem. Captain to Engineering. Feed more dilithium into the slipstream drive.
Science Officer: .... *Goes to a lifeboat.*
Captain: Come back here Commander, you are needed at your post.
Science Officer: I am recalibrating the scanners sir.
Captain: Oh, good. Carry on then.
Science Officer: *Prepares to eject* Sir, the scanners report the same phase variance!
Captain: That can't be right, my console says everything is fine.
Science Officer: *Ejects* I am off to join the Borg sir. Have a good flight!
Captain: Good-bye. Ensign, take his station.
Suddenly, there are no Ensigns left on the bridge, and the ship is reduced to a skeleton crew.
Lifepods eject, and then the ship falls out of slipstream, into a Borg Armada. The crew is assimilated by a Tactical Fusion Cube, and eventually, the Borg take over the entire galaxy.
Then Vice Admiral Jadaris wakes from his nightmare, and truly hopes that the world of STO will not end in such a way.Just in case, he preps the Thunderstorm for a mission that he will never return from, and never wish to return from. Borg technology and Aegis set integrated with the ship, he will go where no Joined Trill has gone before, and never return.
Eulogy for STO F2P
(I have finally lost my faith in STO as well, but still believe in a dream that ship purchasing will be the same as it was before dilithium testing.)
Not quite loosing faith yet, and I don't normally respond to high pressure threads like this. The reason I am responding, is because I'm bothered that the Devs / customer support is only really responding to threads about the duty officer system or C-Store, while seeming to have blinders on to everything else.
Announcements are vague, and there is really no behind the scenes direction as to what exactly is "test", and what is on final shakedown before going production. They only really got involved with Dilithium threads after they became somewhat heated, and still leave a lot of questions. The Blog post is only really a PR move, and doesn't explain why we are limited on refining, and why ships & good equipment cost so much more than before (when you consider time investment involved to earn it). TBH, I wouldn't be amazed to see purple weapons packs show up on C-Store in the next few weeks, for 1200+ C-Store points. Clearly earning them in game is now a Time Vampire.
The selective hearing / understanding is what bothers me. We are all trek fans, and most importantly (you would think to them), customers.
Well granted that this is by far the largest thread that is now moved into the F2P forums I would hope that someone in management would have the gusto to attempt to stop the fire before it starts.
That being said I would really like an answer for why it was decided that all of the missions needed to be linearized to such an extreme degree....seriously.
There is no longer even the illusion of choice on if I want to go continue to bash romulans, or take a break and go assist the deferi or investigate the devidian menace.
You are just begging for a random bug to pop up in a complex mission like the Saturday's Child chain and bring an abrupt HALT to all the low level progression.
Then imagine all the fast labor reallocation, QA cycles (if there is any QA left at this point) and patch work and damage control that you would have to do for that?
Not pretty.
Also when will you finally stop beating around the KDF bushes and actually give the community what we've been asking for, for upwards of a year now, more actual KDF content?
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Some of us got some rare bugs on Stranded in Space, and were unable to progress past the first mission.
Suddenly I feel so blessed, I made it all the way to Researcher Rescue before the god of scripting got confused and proceeded to gnaw off its own leg.
Together they take every shred of freedom, option, and choice in the gameplay and toss it out the airlock. I look at Champs and love what F2P has done for that game. Then I look at STO and wish they would scrap F2P entirely if it means such absurd changes are coming. I honestly can't fathom how these design decisions were made. It feels like two completely different companies.
Yes its early in the beta and more changes are going to come as more systems are put in and adjustments made. But these big changes are absolutely horrible thus far.
Doffs are great, and the new events have potential. But the economy and progression changes are absolutely terrible.
And through all of this there is that looming thing in the background. Even if you want to continue playing this game, why should you bother paying for it? The difference between Gold and Silver accounts can be summed up in a number of free things you get while leveling. So why not just sub a month, level your character, then go back to Silver?
They are from two entirely different companies. When Atari sold to Perfect Worlds (a grevious misnomer apparently) they changed directions drastically. This is not the same company as I signed up for, even I am not that insane about Trek.
Hey, as long as some one is willing to keep the faith, it's fine with me. Keep the faith for all of us.
-100 to Cryptic for letting their new owners force them into ruining what was once, a good community relationship they had with loyal players. They should have known there would be problems when their EP walked away "To spend time with his family" That is probably true, I would rather do that than bend over go against my principles.
Sorry if that offends someone, frankly, I don't care, I am offended by the treatment cryptic is giving the player base... the people who WOULD have tried to get their friends to play F2P... If they still faith.
When the announcement went out about F2P, I told a large group of my gamer friends to try it, today, I told not to waste their time. I bet Cryptic 1000000 Dilithium that this is going on with many others.
Well the actual gameplay is (tribble!)-d, so I'll just stick to role-playing or using my already maxed out characters... and I'll hope someone will keep the game up, because I'll go Silver when F2P hits.
Of course, its still not too late for Cryptic to give Subscribers back their old rights and rewards.... while milking Silver players too.
As Quark said, a loyal customer is valuable.
That is rather tempting, I still have a fondness of the old Fantasy Star games, and did mess with Phatnasy Star Online a bit. Then again some people will go to TOR, others will go to LoTRO, others to WoW (possibly... I know I won't). But yes there are many alternatives and if Cryptic and Perfect World Entertainment think that the Western market will put up with an Eastern style P2W economy, they are mistaken. The majority of us will leave, and some will badmouth the game. And look what happened to SWG when that happened to them...
But I won't count chickens before they are hatched. Cryptic has time to fix the mess they are making. Whether they will or not is up to them. All we can do is give feedback. If they decide to ignore feedback and plow ahead, then we will speak with our wallets and head to greener pastures elsewhere.
The biggest problem they have is the linear one track mission progression you can't get around. At least pull the Featured Episode missions out of that since with them in the track you can't do any more Featured Episode Replay Events. Plus adding new Featured Episodes would be problematic since where do yuo throw them into the chain, how to do you gate them? it would also be best if each of the Chains 'Klingon', 'Romulan', 'Cardassian', 'Borg', 'Breen', and 'Undine' are simply level gated like on Holodeck. You can start one without finishing the 'previous ones'. And for crying out loud, make the mission rewards level-appropriate via scaling like with the Featured Episodes.
Also they don't need to double gate Dilithium. Either gate it with dailies OR gate it with the ore to refined, but don't use both. Unless you add in an auto-refine for say Gold subscribers so they can earn a bunch of ore and then let it refine over dauys without even having to log in. It also makes playing alts a major hassle. The current economy on Tribble turns the game into a job. I've given up on it and am just messing around with the Doff system, which while still a bit buggy is being improved and the one good thing I've come across. They need to rework the Dilithium economy and give it a complete overhaul since this implementation is horrible.
If I wanted a game with an economy like this I'd have started playing EVE instead of STO.
I have a lifetime sub that has paid for itself so while i have tired to give feedback on things, if everyone's feedback is ignored and they shove an EVE style economy or worse into the game then they should call it Ferengi Online and not STO... we should all be Ferengi and the federation would be the 'enemies' since they don't pull this kind of stuff. I would like to know how CBS is allowing this change to go on... I mean if Cryptic and Perfect World Entertainment for example turned STO into an online dating simulator then CBS would most likely be knocking their door down with legal documents before they could upload the code to either Tribble or Redshirt. So my big question is why is CBS so silent right now? They are turning STO into what feels like a parody of EVE. So can we call STO F2P, Ferengi Online where you can be a Space Pirate and a crooked merchant.
What next the Ferengi Conquest of Vulcan to get more Vulcan Love Slaves?
Forget the pitchforks and torches... this system is going to roast itself if it continues in this direction. All I'll do is sit back and watch, and when Cryptic starts crying about the failed changeover... I know a lot of people will be able to honestly say "We told you this would happen but you wouldn't listen."
I know CBS has to vet all major changes to STO, so who at CBS vetted this stuff?
Oh that is simple, use a net not your hands.
How long before we have to trap someone in a net to get some answers. Real answers, not 'hey look a shiny is over there, ignore what we are doing over here behind the curtain.
But the real question do we need to chase down someone at Cryptic, Perfect World Entertainment, or CBS... or all three.
I'm sorry I need to quote this. As that is exactly what i have done. Cryptic...So sorry...but you've allowed the star trek license to and forgive my language...get shat all over.
Listen folks, Star Trek isn't owned by Cryptic, they lease is from CBS, Stahl said this so many times. You **** and moan about PW, but CBS/Desilue still owns Star Trek.. They aren't going to satifsy your wet-dreams about it . CBS has a lore they want to follow, why do you think the new Star Trek paid tribute to the old instead of total earaser? Because you can't erase 5 dvd sets. In fact Cryptic has lived up to license. They kept Shatner timeline instead of the Abrahms.
The Tribble FTP server has been up for what? only a week? This system is going to take *months* to change/tweak/balance. If they had a firm release date (say October 14th), and this was pretty much the game we were getting, I'd agree with you. But, right now, they've made a lot of changes in just the past week since it's gone live, and Heretic and others ahve stated things *are* getting looked at, changed, tweaked, etc, so, to give up faith after just one week seems, I dunno. I'd say shortsighed perhaps.
I'll be more concerned if things don't get changed as the beta testing continues, but, I just can't see it after just a week.
Keep telling yourself that. They always say "remember it's subject to change", but when have they ever really done anything more than minor tweaks?
Yeah, subject to change my ***, we see how things are tested and pushed live despite any feedback, cryptics track record speaks for itself.
Totally agree with you. It is a "test". I don't know why people have blown their load over it, but so be it, but me being a CMD 3 after a week, I am having great time messing with Doff system and having people by my stuff on the fake "exchange" so can get "energy" to buy better weapons with a lower ship.
You have Star Wars as your avatar, you already appear to have mind made up. Lets see how this new Star Wars games goes. So many have failed before. I am all up in it because I love me some Star Wars, but not as much as Star Trek. but I have already heard whisperings for Gamestop folks that this Star Wars, though cool, won't be quite what they offered. Gee imagine that. A company says something that doesna't pan out.
I'm confused, are you arguing for or against Cryptic?
Also, people are "blowing their load" and "getting they're panties in a wad" (the sexism bit is nice) because Cryptic hasn't ever been receptive to feedback. The FACT that they have had things pushed live knowing full-well that there are issues really cements the issue.
Glad you like my sexism, but you say Cryptic hasn't been receptive to criticsm? Why have the change the ship buying? Before they wanted you suffer though grinding. Now they will satiisfy you cry babies by giving you ship at reduced price. And I'm sorry for the confusion but Star Wars was great. VI through VIII, I through III suck. Lucas should be ashamed.
Yeah we'll see, Im kinda Meh about Star Wars so far... I really do like Star Trek more, however my wallet no longer likes the abuse. Im not going to take much TRIBBLE from Bioware either. BF3 looks ok...Im leaning that direction. The avatar is just a statement of my dissatisfaction with the direction this game has taken.
<Confuzzled> No, see they've done the exact opposite. Instead of having to grind for the Refits you didn't select or one of the optional Level cap ships, you now have to grind for every ship past Lt. Commander. Or you can buy the damn things off of the C-store. Which is the problem summed up, am I correct, almost everyone else who replied to the thread?
Also, you seem to have invented a Star Wars Trilogy.
Edit: For fairness/clarification; added "past Lt. Commander".
1. Give Foundry free for every F2P player (Deal breaker for F2P people want to stay playing PVE)
2. Make respecing skills for everyone free at all times. (Deal breaker for F2P people want to stay playing PVP)
3. Don't TRIBBLE crafting make it better, so you can craft almost anything but ships.
4. Enlarge whole starmap x 10 and make daily missions / stories in them.
5. Public apology to current STO customers for using their money & time for bug testing
totally bugged new game.
6. If PW forces you to do something, let them tell us bad news, we don't want to hate
cryptic for lying, because it affects all new game projects & games.
And if cryptic can't follow this path of being healthy spirited company, i will do all in my power to
ruin their future by telling everyone what a crappy company this and PW is.
And after all, i think that mission is to get most money for this game by getting people to stay onboard STO, even in future and spending huge amount of cashiola in c-store for ships & weapons & FEs = fast progress & happy F2P people.
this is a general discussion, and hiding this thread here isn't going to make the problems the people are talking about in it go away.
I've been reading the forums as of late and see alot of naysayers - normally I'd take it with a pinch of salt but several of these newer threads aren't just the naysayers - and that has me somewhat concerned.
I had a feeling of trepidation when the Atari -> PW move was announced but I knew nothing about PW so figured I'd see what happens.
I've been playing on Tribble for the past several days - the only positive things I've experienced is the DOFF system and the fact I took a walk down memory lane of the early days in my T2 Escort when I first started playing.
I can't make the points any better or any more direct than anyone else here - but to say I'm concerned with what I'm seeing is an understatement.
It seems to no longer be case of "To Boldly Go Where No-One Has Gone Before" but more "To Boldly Go - As Long As Your Wallet Allows".
Maybe that's putting it too simply.
Bottom line is that I'm losing faith in STO and the company behind it, I honestly didn't think that would happen anytime soon but the way I'm seeing things go at the moment, it's making me question my earlier decision to buy a LTS (not that I can do anything about it now).
However - I'm going to sit firmly on the fence, see what happens. I have my concerns, but I also have what's come before - the really good stuff that I (and many others) have enjoyed.
I truely hope someone at Cryptic is reading these forums and taking notes - if your customers aren't happy then they'll walk.
For me it was the "Diaper Sprint/IHateDaddySprint". Watching my female borg tac flail around like an infant as she ran from one side of ESD to another was it. So I walked away from the game for a while. I'm still ****ed at them for that. Getting my new female Borg Tac (in all her borg looking glory) on the F2P server and watching her flail while sprinting was pretty damn ridiculous.
As a woman as well as a player, I felt marginalized. The game waved it's butt in my face and said "THIS IS NOT FOR YOU." One of the things I very much enjoyed about the game was the fact that women didn't run in some oddly sexed up way that made them look like lizards or lacking spines.
The fact that the F2P Tribble Test feels both restrictive (Forced chain progression, timed events, forced DAILIES) and honestly like I'm being mugged for trying to see past the fact that they made all my female characters look like jokes every time they start sprinting without holding a rifle. I was looking forward to the DOFF system and it's honestly underwhelming.
When I'm starting to consider switching to TOR when it comes out as viable option for a space based MMO (which I swore I'd never do) instead of hanging out on STO, well... that's when I know I'm past the point of no return.
December 20th 2011
No, but it does take it out of the spotlight and they do this every time they can get away with it. It's ok for the "powers that be" to put these F2P posts wherever they want but it's not ok for us to do so.
If you arnen't accustomed to the hipocracy by now, welcome to the club, this has been happening since release. We post a critical thread, and it gets shoved into a black hole, they post a thread and it can be wherever the hell they want it to be. This is the way it works here, they simply don't want to hear from us, so they attempt to silence us by killing the thread in a black hole.
Science Officer: We are detecting a 0.0001 phase variance in the slipstream drive.
Captain: Ignore it, it will correct itself.
Science Officer: 0.0002, 0.0003, 0.0004. Its increasing dramatically sir!
Captain: Your scanners must be set incorrectly, recalibrate them.
Science Officer: If we continue in the slipstream, we'll fall out!
Captain: Very well Commander, I will fix the problem. Captain to Engineering. Feed more dilithium into the slipstream drive.
Science Officer: .... *Goes to a lifeboat.*
Captain: Come back here Commander, you are needed at your post.
Science Officer: I am recalibrating the scanners sir.
Captain: Oh, good. Carry on then.
Science Officer: *Prepares to eject* Sir, the scanners report the same phase variance!
Captain: That can't be right, my console says everything is fine.
Science Officer: *Ejects* I am off to join the Borg sir. Have a good flight!
Captain: Good-bye. Ensign, take his station.
Suddenly, there are no Ensigns left on the bridge, and the ship is reduced to a skeleton crew.
Lifepods eject, and then the ship falls out of slipstream, into a Borg Armada. The crew is assimilated by a Tactical Fusion Cube, and eventually, the Borg take over the entire galaxy.
Then Vice Admiral Jadaris wakes from his nightmare, and truly hopes that the world of STO will not end in such a way.Just in case, he preps the Thunderstorm for a mission that he will never return from, and never wish to return from. Borg technology and Aegis set integrated with the ship, he will go where no Joined Trill has gone before, and never return.
Eulogy for STO F2P
(I have finally lost my faith in STO as well, but still believe in a dream that ship purchasing will be the same as it was before dilithium testing.)
Announcements are vague, and there is really no behind the scenes direction as to what exactly is "test", and what is on final shakedown before going production. They only really got involved with Dilithium threads after they became somewhat heated, and still leave a lot of questions. The Blog post is only really a PR move, and doesn't explain why we are limited on refining, and why ships & good equipment cost so much more than before (when you consider time investment involved to earn it). TBH, I wouldn't be amazed to see purple weapons packs show up on C-Store in the next few weeks, for 1200+ C-Store points. Clearly earning them in game is now a Time Vampire.
The selective hearing / understanding is what bothers me. We are all trek fans, and most importantly (you would think to them), customers.
That being said I would really like an answer for why it was decided that all of the missions needed to be linearized to such an extreme degree....seriously.
There is no longer even the illusion of choice on if I want to go continue to bash romulans, or take a break and go assist the deferi or investigate the devidian menace.
You are just begging for a random bug to pop up in a complex mission like the Saturday's Child chain and bring an abrupt HALT to all the low level progression.
Then imagine all the fast labor reallocation, QA cycles (if there is any QA left at this point) and patch work and damage control that you would have to do for that?
Not pretty.
Also when will you finally stop beating around the KDF bushes and actually give the community what we've been asking for, for upwards of a year now, more actual KDF content?