All the lifers have left are the Liberated Borg Captain and the not paying monthly anymore, how about some Liberated Borg Doffs to got with the new F2P? Would be one new thing that can be added, it does say "More on the way!" on the Commit for life page, yet we haven't seen or gotten anything new, just things being given to Veteran rewards.
http://www.startrekonline.com/lifetime
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how about that was only a part of what we paid for?
1. No subscription fee: Play without a monthly fee forever!
2. Free digital copy of the game: No need to purchase a retail key. It's included in your Lifetime purchase!
3. The Liberated Borg character species: Play as an escaped member of the Hivemind.
4. The Captain's Table - A special area restricted to lifetime subscribers and longtime STO veterans.
5. Exclusive costume option - An insignia available only to lifetime subscribers. Just visit a tailor in-game to add it to your current captain.
5. "Career Officer" title - Show off that you're committed to Starfleet or the KDF for the duration.
6. Forum goodies - Change the color of your username and show off a special title.
I purchased 6 Items with my LTS, not just 1 thing...
But if you wanna buy 1 thing, pay the price of 6 items, and think you got the good end of the deal, go right ahead... :rolleyes:
I glad people like you are here to straighten those types things out!
LOL, the only person moaning in this thread is you.
Sorry but thats a moan.
Sounds more like he is stating a fact.
Personally Jumper, i don't agree with you. I didn't really take the "More on the way" factor into my purchase.
I purchased the other 6 items and am very happy with it.
Its not a fact though, unless you have actually lost something, but all of the items you listed are still available to LTS members. That is why, to me at least, it seemed like he was complaining.
Alright, I'll explain it to you from a LTS perspective, please keep an open mind.
We bought this for the distinct and unique advantages it gives. Those are now virtually all universal and not worth buying. Not paying monthly? Ya that's nice, but I wouldn't have to pay monthly if I was a F2P, which is NEARLY the same as being a LTS. Stipend? Oh you mean every 5 months I get a free ship for paying over 200$, totally worth it *sarcasm*.
Okay, yes, if we bought LTS before the game came out we'd break even. But you aren't taking into account a couple factors:
1) Not everyone bought LTS before it came out, a lot, like myself, have yet to "break even" and never will.
2) You're assuming that the people who bought LTS would have renewed the sub for EVERY SINGLE MONTH since the games release, I'm sorry, that's not the case. A lot of people quit after they buy it, a lot go inactive randomly for months. Since they do that (even I have), those months are essentially months we wouldn't have had to sub at all for. When I played SWG, I randomly unsubbed for 2-3 months at a time, then came back, as did a lot of my friends.
Most people won't be subbed for EVERY SINGLE month of the game and even more people won't play for EVERY SINGLE month of the game. So your argument of "Oh hey, you guys have broken even" only applies to a few of us, and while true assuming a couple of extremely unlikely factors occurred, don't take into account the multitude of other factors.
While yes, it was our choice to make and we shouldn't regret it, asking for something to distinguish ourselves from others (aside form a pretty colored forum name and a title), is logical and to be expected. Though I don't know if this specific one is the right solution.
Perhaps we haven't lost anything, except for that which distinguishes us from others. Technically, we simply haven't gained anything for buying this, other than a pathetic stipend, cool colored forum names and not needing to ever sub again, although at quite a price -- it wasn't exactly free.
Well, out of all my friends in the game, of that which subscribe, I don't know any, whom have unsubscribed for more than a single month. So I don't buy your theory on people unsubscribing for months on end.
How is it logical to expect more from the game when you have "definitely" paid less than me? Every month I sub for right now, I'm paying more and more than "most" LTS members.
How can you state that there will be no break even point for LTS? Have you even seen the restrictions upon silver accounts? Only just recently, and I mean in the last day or two have they changed their minds on allowing silvers to hold more than 4 BOFF's. Thats right, as a silver member, you wouldn't of been allowed to even fill yours ship slots, anyway, thats been fixed now. But still, you WILL break even, if you were to buy right now, there WILL be a break even point. If you want to be silly, and claim some stupid 6 month sabbatical in the middle east, then fine, it doesn't matter, point is, there will be a break even point, the only way there wouldnt be is if you simply stop playing permanently before you broke even. Which, i think you'll agree, is extremely unlikely.
So, I'll ask again.
Why should you, a LTS who has provided less money to the game than me (assuming we boith have paid the same in the c-store, i mean why would that be different?), the difference getting bigger every month, and will continue to do so, get something more than me?
That makes no sense at all.
LTS is a very very bad business decision, its basically guaranteeing that the service will do exactly what it has done, and move to FTP. Esp considering the change of ownership, most of the lts sub money would have been absorbed by Atari, very little if anything would have been retained for development, as we can clearly see. So cryptic, once sold, would have been left with a load of "free loaders" from their prospective. We can see what a massive difference PW has already made to this game, cryptic are working hard again, things are happening, sure, things are still going wrong, but its a mmo, its a living breathing entity. Its not always going to be smooth, and most of us understand that. Point is, the "cash" which LTS'ers injected and think saved STO right at its birth, is a misplaced theory. It simply got taken away by Atari and was never seen again. Now cryptic is left with the aftermath, which is a bunch of "free loading" (from their prospective) players, who not only get gold for free, but also get C-Store points for free.
It makes no sense to spend extra resources on keeping these people happy, as the game will NEVER see a return of investment for it. Just be happy with your permagold status. The rest of us will be paying for it.
The worst kind of player in this game for cryptic is an LTS player, you expect more and more, but provide nothing in return.
You really should unbunch those panties.....it must be hurting you alot to come into everythread with a lifer asking for something to throw up the "hey you can't ask for anything nonsense" the devs will make the decisions, not YOU.
If YOU ask for something i can tell you for a fact i won't be jumping in and saying hey i don't think you deserve that.....ya know what i'll do? I'll let the powers that be make the decisions. I have better things to worry about then what group x/y/z is getting that i won't get because i'm not part of that group.
To be honest while i think a liberated borg doff would be cool, i don't see it happening.....as a free thing.....and i'm okay with that. I PERSONALLY feel i have gotten what i paid for, and with the new f2p set up i'll get an extra bonus. I don't need anything extra on top of what was already offered BY THE DEVS. But thats just me as i paid for my lts before the game launched so i have made my investment back, some however......have not and will not recoup their investment. They took a chance later on and lost out as far as i'm concerned.
How has any lifer lost out?
Even if i was to buy an LTS today, I would not lose out. It would take some time to recover the costs, sure, but it would happen eventually, as i wouldn't be subbing anymore.
There was no risk at ALL of this game not making it for 24 months. If it didnt have the Star Trek name to back it, then yes, you'd have my respect for putting your money down, but as it does have the legendary Star Trek name then, there was no way it was going to pass away within a year. People are STILL playing Armada, how old is that game?
My last point, should I ask for stuff only current subbers should get and not lifers? Think thats fair?
Didn't think so.
"More on the way!"
"More on the way!"
"More on the way!"
how hard is it for you whiney f2p'ers to understand "More on the way!" means "More on the way!"
More on the way hasn't happened. So yea, us lifetimers, have a damn good right to request "More on the way!"
Now shoo mr goomba. Go run into some italians trippin on shrooms.
Who the hell is F2P? I pay every month and will continue to do so. You pay nothing right now, and never will again, so you have no right.
More on the way was the vet rewards.
You sir are wrong. plain and simple. Your butt hurts and your crying like a little girl. No you didn't pay for a lts so yes you are paying currently. We paid for a LIFE TIME SUBSCRIPTION.....yep that means we have a subscription just like you......we simply paid less for it all said and done. The company decided to offer it because they were uncertain of the games future so they took a risk and offered the lts if we were willing to take the risk as well. You can say there was NO RISK all you want, but your just spewing hot air. We have every right to ask for what ever we please. Your just being a jerk and saying YOU are the only one(s) that have any rights. Go dunk your head in the toilet already.
and how do you know us LIFERS arn't paying anythign into the game? sorry to say but i've been putting in a steady stream of cstore purchases all along......and when they offered the galaxy x as a reward way back when....guess what i paid for 5 buddie to play for a month so i could get my goodies because i WANTED TO SUPPORT THE GAME. So no in fact YOU have NOT paid more money into sto the I have......so shut up.
Not to mention i bought multiple copies of the game so i could get all the starter goodies as well.....yeah i'm real sure you've paid more then me and that entitles YOU to tell ME i have no rights.........
Gold should be LTS with what we have now.
Silver should be FTP with severe limits.
How do you "know" I have not done the same?
and guess what? if they did that i'd probly pick up a sub again and get all the perks. I don't really care if you also did the same things i did, but i seriously doubt it. I'm simply getting tired of you being a jerk and saying we have no rights because we purchased a LTS at a discount compared to the sub you've paid all along. Your fault for not taking that deal. I have supported the game monetarily and will contintue to do so. So stop telling me i have no rights.
And as i pointed out its not YOUR decision to be making anyway. I don't think this request will fly, but we don't need you telling US we have no rights because you feel so superior that you opted to sub every month instead of buying a life time sub.
Why do you seriously doubt that I have more than one account? In fact I have 3. 1 of them is 2 days away from 600 with 30 toons and one of them made 500 about a month ago. Do you still think you have supported the game more than I? This epeen waving will only end in your tears, theres no point to it. Unless you have done some very serious spending in the C-Store, and by serious i mean more than 80,000 C-Store points then theres no way on this earth you have spent more than me.
I'm getting tired of your bullying tactics, your personal insults and your general attitude. I have an opinion, and this forum entitles me to share it.
Your statement that we have no rights because we have a lifestime sub is rediculous in the extreme. If we have and continue to support the game we have every right to ask for what ever we please. It's not YOUR place to dictate who does and does not have rights in STO.
"I'm getting tired of your bullying tactics, your personal insults and your general attitude. I have an opinion, and this forum entitles me to share it."
seriously? LOL your the one that barged in here stating lifetimers have no rights. Whos epeen has the issue? I was simply stating that yes i had infact put quite abit into this game. who put MORE into the game is actually irrelavant. As someone who monetarily supports this game to this day i have just as much right to request anything as you do. Your assumption that lifers don't put anymoney into this game is obvious in your stating they have no rights. Yeah i got rather riled due to YOUR general attitude so we're in the same boat there bubba.
I think others are getting tired of your bullying tactics.
When did I say you don't have an opinion? It seems you haven't heeded my advice about putting words in other peoples mouths, and ended up looking.......
I merely stated that someone else does not have the right to call me a F2P user.
If I have said something that could in anyway be construed as bullying then show me where...
Awesome.
I clearly stated that i don't actually think we'll get what the OP wants, but its his opinion we deserve it.....thats the devs decision and i don't really care about THAT as i've already got what i wanted from the LTS.
MY TUNE is: as a paying customer (nope i don't pay a recurring monthly sub) i have just as much right to have an opinion or ask for anything i please.
never did i inidcate that I deserved to have the only opinion based on the fact i've put alot into this game, but apparently that is YOUR assumption as you keep coming back to the "but i pay a montly sub". I suport this game, you support this game. We both have rights, but you don't see it that way, and THAT is what im taking issue with. I'm not taking issue with you disagreeing that lifers deserve either this particular item someone requested or any other thing in the future, simply your attitude that we deserve nothing and apparently shouldn't have an opinion because that right lies solely in your hands.