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So we only get these unique boffs and other items for playing tribble over again? starting a new toon from scratch playing the same game over again.Ill be a gold member when it goes f2p so ill be paying and everyone else who stays subbed be we wont get these unique items unless we grind tribble again,thats harsh
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    It's not harsh or unfair. They want us to start new characters and test the whole game, not just part of it. Otherwise, what's the point of a test server? I started a new level 1 character on Tribble earlier.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    its the same game with a few graphical updates thrown in,they are going to alienate paying subscribers if they carry on like this,im not grinding another toon to find the same bugs that still havent been fixed on holodeck
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    3-of-8 wrote:
    im not grinding another toon to find the same bugs that still havent been fixed on holodeck

    And that is your choice, which is perfectly reasonable. But still your choice.

    For those of us that will grind it out and test to make sure everything looks great, don't touch our rewards :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I've missed several tribble rewards already, you just have to live with it and hope they offer it again at a later time. This has been happening for a long time now and it doesn't seem to be the thing that alienates the paying customers.

    FYI, it's quite a lot more than just a few graphical updates.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I dont mind the rewards, or missing them, because I'll be damned if Im going to level another character. Im going to test the DOFF stuff and thats it. Thats just me and my decision. Rewards are nice. Not important though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    You level up on Tribble to Lt Cdr or Captain and get some special rewards for the time invested
    or
    You don't invest the time but also get nothing.

    What you want is... a special reward for doing nothing.
    Color me impressed. :rolleyes:



    Except that special whatever you don't really miss anything. It is up to you if you want to buy a ship slot or if you even need one at all - or if you really want to play to Captain rank to get one "for free".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    wait, your complaining that people that helps to test the f2p version gets some sort of reward?
    and your to lazy to go and help and level up a char and get some rewards for yourself?

    :confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    nothing upfair about it..

    Its an incentive to make the bother of creating a new toon from scratch on the server less bothersome..

    it is a TEST server, not the final polished version of anything.. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see one or two character wipes on the TTS before were done as testing feedback revels some things need to be tossed!

    If you don't want to get a preview taste of Things To Come, then you certainly don't have to bother with it.
    But if your going to play on a TEST server you really must be prepared to deal with "Its broken", "That doesn't feel right" , missing features, stifled progression, oopses, etc.

    I'm going to have to do a bit of inventive grindage to advance my current toon on TTS due to the lack of Dilithium to get the next tier of ship as you advance beyong LtC. Fortunatly I know the game rather well so I know what ships types I can stick in and what can be skipped.. For example, my Cmdr TAC is in the Nova sci ship right now, when I make Captain I'll spend my current amount of Dilithium to get the T-3 Excensior because that ship can carry me through to ADM as long as I'm a little bt carefull, and that saves a portion of my Dilithium for later use at higher ranks untill they get the rest of the game econ features in. I can always start another toon down the road. Unlike normal monthly player I started with 4-6 character slots because my account allready had 2 extra slots I bought long ago, plus one or two additional slots.

    I am going to work the dickens out of the test server myself, and later on I may transfer one each of my Holodeck mains over with thier existing equipage/wealth .... If for no other reason then to help test the conversion process of badges to Dilithium etc..

    Keep in mind what we're doing is testing the F2P process and WILL be testing the conversion of the existing data base and characters to the F2P version of the game. This is a BIG change in the game, and it needs to go as flawlessly as humanly possible so as to upset as few apple carts as possible. Either way, this is gonna be a painfull process at times so if you stick with the Tribble testing you will get some pretty spiff rewards, and some of those rewards will require a fairly serious commitment to testing (specificly the DOFF goodies..)

    I saw someonw who's a PvP'r getting all ****y about what good are DOFF's to the PvP'rs..what a waste etc.. Geez.. the DOFF system is going to add craploads of passives to to play that will enhance your ships and toons. I'm allready seeing increased effectivness because of DOFF mission rewards and its what, day 2 or 3? The more DOFF missions you do the more effective they reward you. I Allready have significant increasses in passives that effect ENG.TAC,and SCI powers and abilities... and I'm allready thinking some of them may need to be toned down a little..

    Think of it this way.. this is OUR chance to help craft STO to be what we want. so dig in and get with the testing.. There several levels of possible rewards for taking part, but the really really nice one are going to require a lot more work then just simply logging on and playing..

    Khemaraa sends
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    3-of-8 wrote:
    So we only get these unique boffs and other items for playing tribble over again? starting a new toon from scratch playing the same game over again.Ill be a gold member when it goes f2p so ill be paying and everyone else who stays subbed be we wont get these unique items unless we grind tribble again,thats harsh

    I see nothing wrong with people getting rewarded for testing stuff on Tribble. Usually alot of bugs are found by the testers and are fixed before the stuff on Tribble hits holodeck. You want the reward? Create a toon on Tribble and help out. If not...shut up.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    since when did bugs get fixed testing tribble? holo is still full of bugs tribble just adds even more that wont get fixed,youll get rewarded with nice unique gear for nothing,the bugs will still carry over into holo
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    You level up more quickly on Tribble. For example, the "USS Azura" mission is worth 300+ SP on Holodeck, it's worth 600+ SP on Tribble. I don't know if that's how it will be in F2P, but I'm up to Lieutenant 4 after just the tutorial, the thing at Starfleet Academy, USS Azura and one exploration mission in Delta Volanis. You can't hit Lieutenant 4 that quickly on Holodeck, it takes more missions. (or at least some higher value missions)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    3-of-8 wrote:
    the bugs will still carry over into holo

    and you'll continue to whine. And do it in multiple threads about the same exact issue.

    Looks like the world is still round and water is still wet.

    Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Move along.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    3-of-8 wrote:
    since when did bugs get fixed testing tribble? holo is still full of bugs tribble just adds even more that wont get fixed,youll get rewarded with nice unique gear for nothing,the bugs will still carry over into holo

    +10

    LOL
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    The new approach to story missions is supposed to make it a viable method of leveling. You can't test how effective it is if you just copy over your VA toon.

    Same goes for the Doff system. Just using the Doff system at VA will not test how useful it is for new toons.

    Then we have the new dilithium currency and the lack of a free ship upon increasing rank (ships now being bought with dilithium).

    All these features need extensive testing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Its a reward for testing the new stuff, so if you're not going to do that then why complain? If you want the rewards bad enough then just do it. It's not like you were going to make one person only and never play as any one else.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    3-of-8 wrote:
    So we only get these unique boffs and other items for playing tribble over again? starting a new toon from scratch playing the same game over again.Ill be a gold member when it goes f2p so ill be paying and everyone else who stays subbed be we wont get these unique items unless we grind tribble again,thats harsh

    Are you contributing your time to help test the F2P update, and send feedback to hopefully improve it before release?

    No?

    Then how is that unfair? No part of your argument makes sense.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Alendiak wrote:
    The new approach to story missions is supposed to make it a viable method of leveling. You can't test how effective it is if you just copy over your VA toon.

    Same goes for the Doff system. Just using the Doff system at VA will not test how useful it is for new toons.

    Then we have the new dilithium currency and the lack of a free ship upon increasing rank (ships now being bought with dilithium).

    All these features need extensive testing.

    This.

    Could someone direct me to the list of the rewards, cant seem to find them. Thanks.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    There are actually 2 sets of rewards. One is in part 2 and the other is in part 3 of the dev blog...

    http://startrekonline.com/f2p_blog


    I hope part 4 brings more, lol /sigh
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    3-of-8 wrote:
    So we only get these unique boffs and other items for playing tribble over again? starting a new toon from scratch playing the same game over again.Ill be a gold member when it goes f2p so ill be paying and everyone else who stays subbed be we wont get these unique items unless we grind tribble again,thats harsh

    So in your own words those who "grind" out those levels play testing tribble deserve nothing for doing something that you seem to consider so bad? Could it be that very thought process is the reason they offer the rewards? :eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    it's a pain to re level, especially since there isn't much new content besides the doff system. The whole grind through the game to help test it doesn't really wash with me, especially after a seven month content drought.

    These rewards, especially the "signifigant amount of dilithium" at level 31 are made more aggravating by the the rumor of a certain dev power leveling a group of players past the grind.

    I've gotten up to level 12, going solo to see what the game would feel like to a total new F2P player that doesnt read too much and just wants to plug along.

    I tried to assume that I had no idea what STO was or what to do in it and right off the bat I encountered some serious deal breakers, particulary the issues with scaling and frustrations with a lack of options for combat in space, the initial unlocking of the DOFF system and the inability to move around a locked in episode sequence.

    My fear is that at this point the Devs have a set group of testers and inside players that blow smoke and give no meaningful critical feedback. Podcasters and STO bloggers/forum fans that have the inside track because they don't rock the boat are only going to water down the game experience and it's long term viability will suffer as a result.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Sardoc wrote:
    And that is your choice, which is perfectly reasonable. But still your choice.

    For those of us that will grind it out and test to make sure everything looks great, don't touch our rewards :p

    I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them on the C-Store like our pre-order and CE 'exclusives' LOL

    That said, if someone puts in the time testing, I don't see the issue with giving them a perk. If someone wants the perk, do the work to get it.

    Working as intended, OP.
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