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Lifetime subscriptions and Veterans rewards

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I have been having a discussion with a few friends of mine over the subject of Lifetime subscriptions and Veterans rewards.

In STO there are a few items which unlock with time spent in-game, such as the Captain's Yacht (400 days of subscription). I have heard both sides of the argument from my friends - "A Lifetime subscription should automatically unlock all veteran rewards, as after all it is non-refundable and is 'lifetime' meaning the player has (or will) put in all time required for any vet reward, plus it's an incentive to sell more life subs" and the flip-side, "No noob should have access to vet rewards right off the bat. They have to earn them by putting in their time (and gaining playing experience) just like everyone else. Vet rewards are a badge of honor, they shouldn't be given away to someone who just bought the game (lifetime or not)."

I'd like to get a much bigger perspective on this subject than just my friends. So what do you all think about this subject? Should people have to put in the time regardless of subscrption type to get vet rewards or should lifetime subscribers have access to them at the get go, because regardless of what happens, they will eventually have them unlocked anyway?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    We put our time in for the Vet rewards. Why should any new life-time members get a short cut? Ridiculous subject.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    ... Should people have to put in the time regardless of subscrption type to get vet rewards or should lifetime subscribers have access to them at the get go, because regardless of what happens, they will eventually have them unlocked anyway?

    Well, if you consider it, EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE FOR THE VETERAN'S REWARD... all you have to do is stick around long enough to qualify for them...(but not everyone will get them, as many don't want to make the long term commitment...)

    Just because you have a 'Lifetime' subscription doesn't mean you've been around STO for 'Lifetime'... Veteran's Rewards are a badge of honor, showing that you've already made the commitment to STO and its community for the extended period... So Life timers need to do the time, just like everyone else...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Well, if you consider it, EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE FOR THE VETERAN'S REWARD... all you have to do is stick around long enough to qualify for them...(but not everyone will get them, as many don't want to make the long term commitment...)

    Just because you have a 'Lifetime' subscription doesn't mean you've been around STO for 'Lifetime'... Veteran's Rewards are a badge of honor, showing that you've already made the commitment to STO and its community for the extended period... So Life timers need to do the time, just like everyone else...

    This.^ I have have the Lifetime sub and I do not want the Vet Rewards to be handed over to me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Put your time in, no short cuts.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Diceberg wrote: »
    We put our time in for the Vet rewards. Why should any new life-time members get a short cut? Ridiculous subject.

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Diceberg wrote: »
    We put our time in for the Vet rewards. Why should any new life-time members get a short cut? Ridiculous subject.

    Agree 100 percent. All these people kicking themselves for not buying a lifetime before the game went live.

    No points for being short-sighted.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    not this again, no vet rewards are for vetrens, just as lifetime rewards are (for the most part) for lifers
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    As of now I have the only Lifetime incentive I set out to get. I don't have to pay a monthly sub to access the servers anymore. Which is a really big deal for me.

    A Veteran Reward program is a really nice way to acknowledge those player's who actually have played the game for x amount of months or years. Each threshold is the means of expressing my own personal prestige as a player of STO. Let's assume for the moment that the 600 or 700 day veteran reward was already designed and patched to the servers today? I think it would be overkill to give that to me now. It would be like getting the automatic I WIN button to take me from Ensign to Admiral in one click. No, thank you.

    There is a humorous, IMO, flip-side to the topic. There are those who would say that I, as Lifetimer, shouldn't even see the veteran rewards added past my Lifetime sub having paid off. As I'm not paying to play anymore and don't deserve them. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    veteran rewards for actual veterans.

    if a player wants them then earn them by putting the time in, playing the game and being loyal to it, not just by opening their wallets.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I can't decide honestly. Both sides of the argument seem somewhat reasonable to me. Though the policy of "if it's not broken, don't fix it" should probably apply here. It's not like lifetime subscribers are in any way more gimped for having to wait for their veteran rewards than the rest of us.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    For the first time, all the voices in my head agree on something: NO ! :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Ashur1 wrote:
    For the first time, all the voices in my head agree on something: NO ! :D

    All the voices in my head are screaming "YES!" But only because they are agreeing with all of Ashur's voices.

    You want the vet rewards then stick around long enough to earn them. Life time just means after a certain point you are playing for free.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    No no... we don't need any more special rewards for folks who happened to have $300 sitting around to throw into a game at one pop.

    Next thing you know we'll have people buying promotions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I'm 75 days away from Valiant. Happy me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    You don't have to play the game every day to get the rewards. Just Maintain a Sub and you get the rewards. So Argument for just granting the reward's... Go ahead. If you get a life time sub then get the benefit's. Sorry for those who dont like this, but ry not playing a few days and tell me if your days haven't increased anyway.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Well, if you consider it, EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE FOR THE VETERAN'S REWARD... all you have to do is stick around long enough to qualify for them...(but not everyone will get them, as many don't want to make the long term commitment...)

    Just because you have a 'Lifetime' subscription doesn't mean you've been around STO for 'Lifetime'... Veteran's Rewards are a badge of honor, showing that you've already made the commitment to STO and its community for the extended period... So Life timers need to do the time, just like everyone else...

    As a Lifer I agree with this. Vet awards are for time committed - not which payment plan for access you got.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    For any new/future rewards, the argument would be pretty moot. They would have to be created (in the case of tangible in-game items like the yacht et al) before they can be given out.

    With that said, what about those who start playing the game right now and buy an LTS on their very first day of playing? This is what the OP is talking about (I think). Personally, I don't care one way or the other. However, veteran rewards are given on a "days subbed" basis. The new player has to have their account active for 100/200/300/etc days before they get the reward, just like everyone else.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Well, if you consider it, EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE FOR THE VETERAN'S REWARD... all you have to do is stick around long enough to qualify for them...(but not everyone will get them, as many don't want to make the long term commitment...)

    Just because you have a 'Lifetime' subscription doesn't mean you've been around STO for 'Lifetime'... Veteran's Rewards are a badge of honor, showing that you've already made the commitment to STO and its community for the extended period... So Life timers need to do the time, just like everyone else...

    I am in complete agreement with Otaku on this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    even thou i got my lifetime a few months (tax sale) and missed here or there, i agree with the others vet rewards are just that....put your time in as well :)


    for the record I am at 329 days even thou i was at launch, i couldn't afford here for a few months.....i am in no rush to instantly get everything, vet rewards should be earned....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I agree with the majority, the veteran reward is a badge of honour for those that put in the time needed to keep the galaxy safe.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I'm for putting in the time. It gives some small recognition for those that have been around a while and you need to think about the monthly subbers too, it'd be pretty unfair on them if a new player suddenly got everything they did and more just because they had more money.

    Also consider we're at the point of new veteran rewards being added as time goes on, it wasn't that long beforehand the first 500 day vets knew what they were getting and it looks like the same thing for if/when 600 day vet rewards are made.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Vet rewards for vets, but if they make LTS rewards vet rewards, lifers should get something else.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Vet rewards for vets, but if they make LTS rewards vet rewards, lifers should get something else.

    Having liberated borg captains for up to 2 years before others is not enough of a reward? I seriously doubt that the lifetime badge will ever be available for non-lifers nor would a non-lifer put up a fuss because they don't have it. Although, I would be OK with a vet reward version of liberated borg captains.

    First character I created is a liberated borg captain and if others want to play that emo race, then fine by me.
    <sarcastic tone>My character has a tragic past because they assimilated people against their will and was taken away from their family. </sarcastic tone>
    In order to avoid that tragic past scenario, either the former borg is still part of the collective, but spying on the Federation or Klingon Empire or create a interesting past like mine where my borg captain was kicked out of the Collective for trying to take over the Collective to make the Collective a more enlightened Collective like only volunteer assimilation is allowed and retaining free will. It seems like liberated borg are the Drow heroes of the Star Trek universe.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Diceberg wrote: »
    We put our time in for the Vet rewards. Why should any new life-time members get a short cut? Ridiculous subject.

    Agreed, lifer or not. I wish I had a dime for every "I talked with my fleet and we thought..." Threads.

    Two different rewards, based on two different things..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Vet rewards should not be connected to the lifetime sub. Vet rewards, as many have stated here, are for those that have been in this game for x amount of time, they have paid their dues so to speak. Being able to just "buy" all the vet rewards just takes away what little meaning that they already have.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    this is all rather silly. i don't want my vet rewards for the next few years now.
    mostly because I am pretty sure they are really buggy and will crash my account.
    I will wait until cryptic does its once-over and makes sure when it is released, about 1 day before the first person who gets those vet rewards, it is ready to be used.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    this is all rather silly. i don't want my vet rewards for the next few years now.
    mostly because I am pretty sure they are really buggy and will crash my account.
    I will wait until cryptic does its once-over and makes sure when it is released, about 1 day before the first person who gets those vet rewards, it is ready to be used.


    Huh? Many of us got the rewards, buggy? Whatever..Try harder on hate threads, to really go off on something that has been working for awhile......

    Love those not qualified for rewards, saying how bad they are. Experience is your friend.:rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    ...489.82 Days... for me... but I'm not in any hurry to get the Vet Rewards...

    I agree with what seems to be the majority here though... Do the Time to get the Reward.

    You don't buy a Veteran Status, with your $300 bucks (or $240.00 in my case)...

    You get Career Officer.

    BIG DIFFERENCE :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    BobO369 wrote: »
    Put your time in, no short cuts.

    This is my stance, as well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    veteran rewards for actual veterans.

    if a player wants them then earn them by putting the time in, playing the game and being loyal to it, not just by opening their wallets.

    Vet rewards are "earned" by subscribing to the game ("opening thier wallet") for a set amount of time. Not for actually "playing the game."

    The only difference, a lifer opens his wallet once for $300 (+ previous sub time), a vet opens his wallet a bunch of times... totalling $~250 (500 days)...

    "Time = money." Never more true then when you're talking about SUBSCRIPTION TIME.
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