That timeline is a divergent timeline and is being developed in soft canon source material like a book or a video game. The movie is the timeline that is hard canon. And is being developed in hard canon sources, such as the next movie.
All TV shows and movies are hard canon. That means both timelines are hard canon. Just because there isnt anything new going on(canon wise) with the prime timeline ATM doesnt change the fact that it is still hard canon.
You may think this game is the "prime" timeline.
I dont "think" anything. That is what CBS decided as they had to approve all of the story elements of this game. But while the game it set in the prime timeline, it is not actually canon itself(just based on canon).
When I'm reading several pages of a thread and I feel like answering more than one of them, I start hitting the "quote" button with the Ctrl key pressed. This way I get one copy to reply to the post I want to address and keep reviewing the thread.
When I've got to the end of the thread, I copy & paste all the posts and their answers into one, and hit the post just once.
There's also the multi-quote button ("+) next to the quote button that does the same thing and you don't have to do the whole copy-paste dance. Just hit that for every quote you want to respond to and use the normal quote button when you've reached the last post you want to reply to. When the edit box comes up you'll have each post that you wanted to reply to quoted in there.
All TV shows and movies are hard canon. That means both timelines are hard canon. Just because there isnt anything new going on(canon wise) with the prime timeline ATM doesnt change the fact that it is still hard canon.
I dont "think" anything. That is what CBS decided as they had to approve all of the story elements of this game. But while the game it set in the prime timeline, it is not actually canon itself(just based on canon).
If they are ever able to make another TV show again, then we'll see.
As of right now the only HARD canon being made is the JJ verse movies. Which means this "prime" universe you cling to is just a bunch of reruns in a divergent timeline. It's a dead IP until someone revives it. It's not being revived in the next couple of years.
So you're left with books that are flights of fancy that some people like to call fanfic.
Good luck with that. I'll be off standing in line to watch the next adventure of Kirk and Spock. The real Trek. Being made for real. Right now.
Now this discussion is getting seriously sidetracked. This topic is about the new Enterprise-F. Which there's no way around this. You can cite Voyager and First Contact all you want. But this game decided on the F's look. That means the two pylons are in. They are starfleet. They are the future. Why? Because that's the design that is being made.
So there is no trend towards Voyager design principles anymore. That time has passed.
If they are ever able to make another TV show again, then we'll see.
As of right now the only HARD canon being made is the JJ verse movies. Which means this "prime" universe you cling to is just a bunch of reruns in a divergent timeline. It's a dead IP until someone revives it. It's not being revived in the next couple of years.
So you're left with books that are flights of fancy that some people like to call fanfic.
Good luck with that. I'll be off standing in line to watch the next adventure of Kirk and Spock. The real Trek. Being made for real. Right now.
Now this discussion is getting seriously sidetracked. This topic is about the new Enterprise-F. Which there's no way around this. You can cite Voyager and First Contact all you want. But this game decided on the F's look. That means the two pylons are in. They are starfleet. They are the future. Why? Because that's the design that is being made.
So there is no trend towards Voyager design principles anymore. That time has passed.
You seem to be under the misimpression that my comments reflect some emotional attachment; they do not. My comments are the facts, nothing more or less. Storywise, both timelines are canon. Period. In real life only the JJ-verse is being actively developed at the moment, but that doesnt change the fact that the prime timeline is still canon. Nothing you say changes any of that.
If they are ever able to make another TV show again, then we'll see.
As of right now the only HARD canon being made is the JJ verse movies. Which means this "prime" universe you cling to is just a bunch of reruns in a divergent timeline. It's a dead IP until someone revives it. It's not being revived in the next couple of years.
So you're left with books that are flights of fancy that some people like to call fanfic.
Good luck with that. I'll be off standing in line to watch the next adventure of Kirk and Spock. The real Trek. Being made for real. Right now.
So outside of the Wrath Of Khan when the Enterprise blows the nacelle off of the Reliant... can ANYONE point to a single instance where the neck of the ship or the nacelle PYLONS themselves were at risk? Or damaged? Or about to become an issue? Or ever mentioned as a potential trouble-point?
I can think of one or two from the novels... but aside from TWOK I can't think of a single on-screen incident.
Plenty of warp-core burps... a few nacelle problems... but never a structural problem with the neck or pylons.
Hmmm...
You rasie a great point, even at Wolf 359 or Chintoka, most of the ships that "bought the farm" so to speak had their primary hull get smashed to bits. In fact, the only time I've seen a neck get done in was when Jem'Hadar attack ships were making kamikaze runs, and it's a Vor'cha that we saw it happen to. Even the super fragile Oberth mostly died conventionally, not from pylon exploitation shots/damage.
If they are ever able to make another TV show again, then we'll see.
As of right now the only HARD canon being made is the JJ verse movies. Which means this "prime" universe you cling to is just a bunch of reruns in a divergent timeline. It's a dead IP until someone revives it. It's not being revived in the next couple of years.
So you're left with books that are flights of fancy that some people like to call fanfic.
Good luck with that. I'll be off standing in line to watch the next adventure of Kirk and Spock. The real Trek. Being made for real. Right now.
Now this discussion is getting seriously sidetracked. This topic is about the new Enterprise-F. Which there's no way around this. You can cite Voyager and First Contact all you want. But this game decided on the F's look. That means the two pylons are in. They are starfleet. They are the future. Why? Because that's the design that is being made.
So there is no trend towards Voyager design principles anymore. That time has passed.
No offense, but when it comes down to it, it's no more real or less real than any book or video game, because it's all fiction, and no more or less enjoyable. "Dark Mirror" is not canon, but is about as good a Trek book as I've ever read. Same goes for "Forged in Fire" that deals with Sulu's becoming captain of the Excelsior, great book. Is it canon, or just fitting in with canon? It doesn't matter to me, because it was a serious case of "just one more chapter" that led to several late nights.
Conversely, as for the real Trek being made for real, right now, the reboot's yet to impress me. I much prefer the continuation of Star Trek through the other mediums such as STO and the books to the reboot direction, it's no more or less real to me since it's all fiction. You can call the books flights of fancy, but Star Trek as a whole is a flight of fancy.
If they are ever able to make another TV show again, then we'll see.
As of right now the only HARD canon being made is the JJ verse movies. Which means this "prime" universe you cling to is just a bunch of reruns in a divergent timeline. It's a dead IP until someone revives it. It's not being revived in the next couple of years.
So you're left with books that are flights of fancy that some people like to call fanfic.
Good luck with that. I'll be off standing in line to watch the next adventure of Kirk and Spock. The real Trek. Being made for real. Right now.
Now this discussion is getting seriously sidetracked. This topic is about the new Enterprise-F. Which there's no way around this. You can cite Voyager and First Contact all you want. But this game decided on the F's look. That means the two pylons are in. They are starfleet. They are the future. Why? Because that's the design that is being made.
So there is no trend towards Voyager design principles anymore. That time has passed.
Actually, I agree with Grand Nagus.
It's you in the wrong, not him.
If there is a new TV series, it will be backed by CBS canon, which doesn't cover Paramanount's, including the movie by JJA. The "reset" only applies to motion pictures. And they may or may not follow in JJA's new line, or go back to Nemesis.
As for not breaking rules, I'm not so sure. Accidental multiposting is one thing, doing it on purpose, is another subject entirely. I won't be hitting the "report" button on it, though.
There is no new tv series in production. And considering the LAST tv series they made was pre-Trek "enterprise" I think you all need a reality check.
I'm not wrong here. Hard canon is hard canon. The JJ verse is hard canon.
Everything else has been shoved off into a divergent timeline. Which currently only exists in reruns.
The next tv series? It might be able to pick up where something like Voyager or Deep Space 9 left off.
Or it might be a complete retcon itself.
CBS might work something out with Paramount involving the current state of the license. Right now they don't need to because the movies are movies and there are no new tv shows being made.
You all live in an alternate universe. I could quote Quinto-Spock from the film if you'd like, it could clear up your issues regarding this.
But again, it's all off-topic.
The Enterprise F has two pylons on its neck. Starfleet has decided that the Voyager look is in the past! And the new look for cruisers is to have the fancy new neck pylon design. Yay for starfleet!
There is no new tv series in production. And considering the LAST tv series they made was pre-Trek "enterprise" I think you all need a reality check.
I'm not wrong here. Hard canon is hard canon. The JJ verse is hard canon.
Everything else has been shoved off into a divergent timeline. Which currently only exists in reruns.
The next tv series? It might be able to pick up where something like Voyager or Deep Space 9 left off.
Or it might be a complete retcon itself.
CBS might work something out with Paramount involving the current state of the license. Right now they don't need to because the movies are movies and there are no new tv shows being made.
You all live in an alternate universe. I could quote Quinto-Spock from the film if you'd like, it could clear up your issues regarding this.
But again, it's all off-topic.
The Enterprise F has two pylons on its neck. Starfleet has decided that the Voyager look is in the past! And the new look for cruisers is to have the fancy new neck pylon design. Yay for starfleet!
Please see my previous response. It works just as well as a response to this post as it did to your previous post.
I'm not wrong here. Hard canon is hard canon. The JJ verse is hard canon.
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Everything else has been shoved off into a divergent timeline. Which currently only exists in reruns.
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You all live in an alternate universe. I could quote Quinto-Spock from the film if you'd like, it could clear up your issues regarding this.
1- No one is debating this. So, quit repeating yourself. It's like the third time you've said this, everyone's said they're not arguing your particular point here, and by now it's just starting to come off as a half-hearted attempt at justifying your other, misguided, points. 2- You're a little mixed up here. It's even pointed out in that movie itself that the timeline that that particular movie takes place in is the divergent timeline. The "Prime" universe is still a thing, and it hasn't been "shoved off" to anywhere. It's just no longer in focus, and there is a difference in what those two things mean. 3- See "2"; you're pretty much wrong. The JJ-verse is the alternate universe. Again, mentioned in that movie itself. After all, look at old Spock: He doesn't remember any of that movie's events happening in his past, because technically, it wasn't his. And he still exists, memories unchanged, because he's in an Alternate Universe.
The point here seems to be that Superchum believes (in a religious meaning) that the JJA movie is The Holy Canon of Trekdom, and anything else is non-canon.
Well, I'm sorry but you are wrong:
1 The JJA defines a NEW timeline and IS canon
2 Everything in the old timeline is still canon, specially for TV series
1) CBS holds the IP for the Star Trek brand ... meaning anything to do with Star Trek still has to go through them. Yes, that means the 2009 movie still needed a green light from CBS. CBS also holds the rights to create Star Trek TV series, if they so choose to. So long as it does not involved JJverse, CBS has leway to create whatever they want. And in essence, whatever CBS says is canon, then it's canon (whoever holds the IP, makes that call).
2) Paramount holds the movie rights to make Star Trek movies for now. So yes, JJverse is considered canon. BUT, it DOES NOT replace the already established canon before it (referred to as Prime Universe).
Consider JJverse to be another Mirror Universe. IF the 2009 movie was based on the Mirror Universe, would you actually consider the Mirror Universe to be the Prime Universe? By all accounts, the answer is no BECAUSE of already established canon dating back to TOS. Just because there isn't a new show or movie based on Prime Universe, doesn't mean it's dead & replaced by JJverse's Trek Wars.
JJverse .... I just wanted to say it one more time
1) CBS holds the IP for the Star Trek brand ... meaning anything to do with Star Trek still has to go through them. Yes, that means the 2009 movie still needed a green light from CBS. CBS also holds the rights to create Star Trek TV series, if they so choose to. So long as it does not involved JJverse, CBS has leway to create whatever they want. And in essence, whatever CBS says is canon, then it's canon (whoever holds the IP, makes that call).
Actually, the rights were divided in 2006. CBS has the rights to the TV shows only, and Paramount has the rights to the movies. So CBS does not hold the IP for the ST "brand", only the TV shows.
Actually, the rights were divided in 2006. CBS has the rights to the TV shows only, and Paramount has the rights to the movies. So CBS does not hold the IP for the ST "brand", only the TV shows.
Actually, I had to check on this to be sure when the 2009 movie came out. CBS holds the brand AND the TV rights. Paramount just holds the movies. I'll find that link ASAP & send it to you.
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"While the Star Trek film library and rights to make feature films sits with Paramount, it is CBS Corporation that owns the Star Trek brand."
The point here seems to be that Superchum believes (in a religious meaning) that the JJA movie is The Holy Canon of Trekdom, and anything else is non-canon.
Well, I'm sorry but you are wrong:
1 The JJA defines a NEW timeline and IS canon
2 Everything in the old timeline is still canon, specially for TV series
That's not at all what I've posted or said.
What I've said is the JJ-verse is the ONLY Trek being made right now that is hard canon.
The tv shows are dead. Static. An IP that is not growing or being used.
Maybe when a new TV show gets made, this changes. Until then, the divergent timeline that is the "prime" universe is dead in terms of moving star trek forward. Star Trek took a huge leap back, rebooted itself to Kirk and Spock and said let's go from there.
So any type of discussion that tries to say star trek ships are moving towards getting rid of neck pylons is misinformed. Star Trek moved alllllllll the way back to old designs. With the JJ-verse ships. That's what we move forward from.
This game is soft canon.
And even this game is moving away from the no-neck style you all claim the federation was all about. The Intrepid design? Dated and last century. The F is something new. Something cool. And I'm glad to see it moving forward with cruiser design style. I can't wait to see this ship in game with how cool it looks.
So any type of discussion that tries to say star trek ships are moving towards getting rid of neck pylons is misinformed. Star Trek moved alllllllll the way back to old designs. With the JJ-verse ships. That's what we move forward from.
Your problem is you are confusing RL with in game story. While you are right in all that you have said about how the franchise is being handled ATM, this game is set in the prime timeline not the JJ-verse. That being the case, the ships and storyline and everything else are based on what the future of the prime timeline would be, and the designs of the ships in the JJ-verse have nothing to do with that.
And just so we're all clear here: I really like the JJ-prise design
Your problem is you are confusing RL with in game story.
Game story? Game story is really quite obvious. The design you see with the two neck pylons? That's the game story. That's the winning design. That's what's being made. There is nothing to discuss in that area at all.
The game story already says that starfleet is a-ok with two neck pylons, because that's what the dev team is making.
What's so confusing about that? If anyone is getting confused about game story, it is the people trying to say starfleet wouldn't make the kind of ship that Cryptic has already showed us they are definitely making.
I'm on board with the game story. I want this ship to go live. I'm excited about it. It looks fun to fly.
It's been rebooted as a whole. There's the movies. And ... the movies. That's all right now.
The JJ verse IS the trek verse. That's hard canon. And all you're getting being made.
This game? The books? The reruns?
They're not what's moving the universe forward. For some of you I understand how hard that can be to accept. But that's how hollywood goes sometimes.
Actually, given this game's 'tie in's' to the ST2009 feature film - while STO isn't 'hard canon' per se - it is the only 'Original Star Trek Univese' set in the post Nemesis era (the browser based [b[Star Trek Infinite Space[/b] game in based in the Federation/Dominion War era, pre-Nemesis); thus I disagree that the JJ Verse (which I as an old TOS fan since 1969 I actually like a lot, honestly) is the only thing moving the the 'Universe' of Star Trek forward - as withoput 'Spock Prime' - we would have the situation as presented in the Star Trek 2009 feature film, thus the 'old universe' is still dorectly linked to the new one.
So, again, yes, STO isn't 'hard Star Trek canon'; but technically, neither is the old Star Trek Animated Series of the 1970ies (which I also saw first run ); and yet A LOT of non-canon elements from that series managed to work their way into 'hard' Star Trek canon because of various writers across all the 'modern' (aka post 1987) TV aseries (TNG - ENT) and later TNG feature films.
CBS is VERY hands on with STO; and I would lay odds that future Star Trek project (be they in the JJ-verse; or the 'Original Star Trek Universe') could indeed make elements of STO in 'hard Star Trek canon' in the future. And IMO I'd say both Paramount and CBS are thinking and looking for ways to use STO to help promote the new Star Trek feature film when it nears release; and that'll be good for the film, the game, and the overall Star Trek franchise.
But in te end, no, the JJ-verse is not the only thing still moving the Star Trek Universe/Franchise forward by a long shot.
In response to someone saying someone could sit inside the open area where the traditional neck would be, the underside saucer arrays would have that area in its firing arc. Also, having the torps mounted to a lower deck of the saucer, rather than the aft part of the hull may be possible.
Plus, maybe the ship launches support craft, and the bays "drop" the ships from under the saucer, rather than having them fly out an exposed bay.
Just because the model looks the way it does in this iteration, doesn't mean it will continue that way.
And damnit, I want the Tahoe Cryptic!!!!! You know what I'm talking about :mad:
Game story? Game story is really quite obvious. The design you see with the two neck pylons? That's the game story. That's the winning design. That's what's being made. There is nothing to discuss in that area at all.
Personally, I find the design intriguing. So long as there's actually enough room for crew to use the dual necks to move between the hull and the saucer, the design is fine with me. I'm worried the ship will be TOO Oberth-like, however.
They simplified the deflector dish too much, and the saucer is a little too thick. And they messed with the curves a bit...I liked the original concept better...they almost seem to be tainting the design with the current clay model. I still like it, but I liked the original concept better than Cryptics modifications.
I'm just really really excited about this project. There's so many aspects of it that have tons of potential to make this game exciting while moving forward.
- The game story! A new enterprise gives Cryptic an amazing chance to tell the game's story with an Enterprise crew involved. I'm on board with that. Instead of waiting for small cameos of bit characters (Naomi Wildman or Josh Riker or Miral Paris) and mentions of more major characters in the timeline (O'Brien developing the personal shields for Starfleet Corps of Engineers) ... we get an Enterprise crew. Ahhhhhhh, I can't wait.
- Getting to fly that ship too! So while this new Enterprise can be used to push the story forward in a Star Trek way, we as players get the chance to fly the same make of ship. It just gets back to feeling like we're part of the show. That's the part I like best about the feature episodes you know? Flying in with the title screen appearing onscreen. This builds on that for me.
- Advancing ships past what we already have. Let's face it, Tier 5's been pretty boring. At least for me. And Cryptic really did go on a long strange path with endgame ships. Nebulas, Excelsiors, Galaxy X's and Galaxy Retrofits ... all these ships that I'm glad they made but it's like, we're in the 25th century and we've spent most of the time in-game flying old ships from the old shows. This is a chance to ... heh ... boldly go past that. With a new Enterprise.
- Fan involvement! Following through. I mean come on, they held a contest. To design the new Enterprise. And someone won the contest. And their ship is being made. That's just the most amazing thing ever. I really want them to follow through on that. And not make too many drastic changes from the winning design. That, to me, would be like pulling the rug out from under the contest winner. Making the winning ship, that's just too awesome.
So I'm hyped up. And full on board with this new Enterprise. I am eagerly awaiting the next update to this development diary. It's probably the most exciting thing I've got going for me in the game since they first said they were going to release a Nausicaan ship last summer/fall.
I like the original sketch better then the clay model. The clay model saucer looks too close to the -E and would look better if it was a little rounder. The saucer is too close the secondary hull and the saucer pylons look really thick from the front. Finally the secondary hull looks really fat and rounded compared to the drawing.
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All TV shows and movies are hard canon. That means both timelines are hard canon. Just because there isnt anything new going on(canon wise) with the prime timeline ATM doesnt change the fact that it is still hard canon.
I dont "think" anything. That is what CBS decided as they had to approve all of the story elements of this game. But while the game it set in the prime timeline, it is not actually canon itself(just based on canon).
Says the person with the ugly-as-sin Cochrane class in their sig banner.
There's also the multi-quote button ("+) next to the quote button that does the same thing and you don't have to do the whole copy-paste dance. Just hit that for every quote you want to respond to and use the normal quote button when you've reached the last post you want to reply to. When the edit box comes up you'll have each post that you wanted to reply to quoted in there.
If they are ever able to make another TV show again, then we'll see.
As of right now the only HARD canon being made is the JJ verse movies. Which means this "prime" universe you cling to is just a bunch of reruns in a divergent timeline. It's a dead IP until someone revives it. It's not being revived in the next couple of years.
So you're left with books that are flights of fancy that some people like to call fanfic.
Good luck with that. I'll be off standing in line to watch the next adventure of Kirk and Spock. The real Trek. Being made for real. Right now.
Now this discussion is getting seriously sidetracked. This topic is about the new Enterprise-F. Which there's no way around this. You can cite Voyager and First Contact all you want. But this game decided on the F's look. That means the two pylons are in. They are starfleet. They are the future. Why? Because that's the design that is being made.
So there is no trend towards Voyager design principles anymore. That time has passed.
You seem to be under the misimpression that my comments reflect some emotional attachment; they do not. My comments are the facts, nothing more or less. Storywise, both timelines are canon. Period. In real life only the JJ-verse is being actively developed at the moment, but that doesnt change the fact that the prime timeline is still canon. Nothing you say changes any of that.
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You rasie a great point, even at Wolf 359 or Chintoka, most of the ships that "bought the farm" so to speak had their primary hull get smashed to bits. In fact, the only time I've seen a neck get done in was when Jem'Hadar attack ships were making kamikaze runs, and it's a Vor'cha that we saw it happen to. Even the super fragile Oberth mostly died conventionally, not from pylon exploitation shots/damage.
No offense, but when it comes down to it, it's no more real or less real than any book or video game, because it's all fiction, and no more or less enjoyable. "Dark Mirror" is not canon, but is about as good a Trek book as I've ever read. Same goes for "Forged in Fire" that deals with Sulu's becoming captain of the Excelsior, great book. Is it canon, or just fitting in with canon? It doesn't matter to me, because it was a serious case of "just one more chapter" that led to several late nights.
Conversely, as for the real Trek being made for real, right now, the reboot's yet to impress me. I much prefer the continuation of Star Trek through the other mediums such as STO and the books to the reboot direction, it's no more or less real to me since it's all fiction. You can call the books flights of fancy, but Star Trek as a whole is a flight of fancy.
It's you in the wrong, not him.
If there is a new TV series, it will be backed by CBS canon, which doesn't cover Paramanount's, including the movie by JJA. The "reset" only applies to motion pictures. And they may or may not follow in JJA's new line, or go back to Nemesis.
As for not breaking rules, I'm not so sure. Accidental multiposting is one thing, doing it on purpose, is another subject entirely. I won't be hitting the "report" button on it, though.
I'm not wrong here. Hard canon is hard canon. The JJ verse is hard canon.
Everything else has been shoved off into a divergent timeline. Which currently only exists in reruns.
The next tv series? It might be able to pick up where something like Voyager or Deep Space 9 left off.
Or it might be a complete retcon itself.
CBS might work something out with Paramount involving the current state of the license. Right now they don't need to because the movies are movies and there are no new tv shows being made.
You all live in an alternate universe. I could quote Quinto-Spock from the film if you'd like, it could clear up your issues regarding this.
But again, it's all off-topic.
The Enterprise F has two pylons on its neck. Starfleet has decided that the Voyager look is in the past! And the new look for cruisers is to have the fancy new neck pylon design. Yay for starfleet!
No one denies this. The 2009 movie is hard canon, just like all the other TV shows and movies that were made before it. They are all hard canon.
Please see my previous response. It works just as well as a response to this post as it did to your previous post.
1- No one is debating this. So, quit repeating yourself. It's like the third time you've said this, everyone's said they're not arguing your particular point here, and by now it's just starting to come off as a half-hearted attempt at justifying your other, misguided, points.
2- You're a little mixed up here. It's even pointed out in that movie itself that the timeline that that particular movie takes place in is the divergent timeline. The "Prime" universe is still a thing, and it hasn't been "shoved off" to anywhere. It's just no longer in focus, and there is a difference in what those two things mean.
3- See "2"; you're pretty much wrong. The JJ-verse is the alternate universe. Again, mentioned in that movie itself. After all, look at old Spock: He doesn't remember any of that movie's events happening in his past, because technically, it wasn't his. And he still exists, memories unchanged, because he's in an Alternate Universe.
Well, I'm sorry but you are wrong:
1 The JJA defines a NEW timeline and IS canon
2 Everything in the old timeline is still canon, specially for TV series
Some facts to help clear a few things up:
1) CBS holds the IP for the Star Trek brand ... meaning anything to do with Star Trek still has to go through them. Yes, that means the 2009 movie still needed a green light from CBS. CBS also holds the rights to create Star Trek TV series, if they so choose to. So long as it does not involved JJverse, CBS has leway to create whatever they want. And in essence, whatever CBS says is canon, then it's canon (whoever holds the IP, makes that call).
2) Paramount holds the movie rights to make Star Trek movies for now. So yes, JJverse is considered canon. BUT, it DOES NOT replace the already established canon before it (referred to as Prime Universe).
Consider JJverse to be another Mirror Universe. IF the 2009 movie was based on the Mirror Universe, would you actually consider the Mirror Universe to be the Prime Universe? By all accounts, the answer is no BECAUSE of already established canon dating back to TOS. Just because there isn't a new show or movie based on Prime Universe, doesn't mean it's dead & replaced by JJverse's Trek Wars.
JJverse .... I just wanted to say it one more time
Actually, the rights were divided in 2006. CBS has the rights to the TV shows only, and Paramount has the rights to the movies. So CBS does not hold the IP for the ST "brand", only the TV shows.
Actually, I had to check on this to be sure when the 2009 movie came out. CBS holds the brand AND the TV rights. Paramount just holds the movies. I'll find that link ASAP & send it to you.
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"While the Star Trek film library and rights to make feature films sits with Paramount, it is CBS Corporation that owns the Star Trek brand."
http://trekmovie.com/2010/02/11/star-trek-helps-bring-big-profits-to-viacom-paramount/
That's not at all what I've posted or said.
What I've said is the JJ-verse is the ONLY Trek being made right now that is hard canon.
The tv shows are dead. Static. An IP that is not growing or being used.
Maybe when a new TV show gets made, this changes. Until then, the divergent timeline that is the "prime" universe is dead in terms of moving star trek forward. Star Trek took a huge leap back, rebooted itself to Kirk and Spock and said let's go from there.
So any type of discussion that tries to say star trek ships are moving towards getting rid of neck pylons is misinformed. Star Trek moved alllllllll the way back to old designs. With the JJ-verse ships. That's what we move forward from.
This game is soft canon.
And even this game is moving away from the no-neck style you all claim the federation was all about. The Intrepid design? Dated and last century. The F is something new. Something cool. And I'm glad to see it moving forward with cruiser design style. I can't wait to see this ship in game with how cool it looks.
Your problem is you are confusing RL with in game story. While you are right in all that you have said about how the franchise is being handled ATM, this game is set in the prime timeline not the JJ-verse. That being the case, the ships and storyline and everything else are based on what the future of the prime timeline would be, and the designs of the ships in the JJ-verse have nothing to do with that.
And just so we're all clear here: I really like the JJ-prise design
Game story? Game story is really quite obvious. The design you see with the two neck pylons? That's the game story. That's the winning design. That's what's being made. There is nothing to discuss in that area at all.
The game story already says that starfleet is a-ok with two neck pylons, because that's what the dev team is making.
What's so confusing about that? If anyone is getting confused about game story, it is the people trying to say starfleet wouldn't make the kind of ship that Cryptic has already showed us they are definitely making.
I'm on board with the game story. I want this ship to go live. I'm excited about it. It looks fun to fly.
Actually, given this game's 'tie in's' to the ST2009 feature film - while STO isn't 'hard canon' per se - it is the only 'Original Star Trek Univese' set in the post Nemesis era (the browser based [b[Star Trek Infinite Space[/b] game in based in the Federation/Dominion War era, pre-Nemesis); thus I disagree that the JJ Verse (which I as an old TOS fan since 1969 I actually like a lot, honestly) is the only thing moving the the 'Universe' of Star Trek forward - as withoput 'Spock Prime' - we would have the situation as presented in the Star Trek 2009 feature film, thus the 'old universe' is still dorectly linked to the new one.
So, again, yes, STO isn't 'hard Star Trek canon'; but technically, neither is the old Star Trek Animated Series of the 1970ies (which I also saw first run
CBS is VERY hands on with STO; and I would lay odds that future Star Trek project (be they in the JJ-verse; or the 'Original Star Trek Universe') could indeed make elements of STO in 'hard Star Trek canon' in the future. And IMO I'd say both Paramount and CBS are thinking and looking for ways to use STO to help promote the new Star Trek feature film when it nears release; and that'll be good for the film, the game, and the overall Star Trek franchise.
But in te end, no, the JJ-verse is not the only thing still moving the Star Trek Universe/Franchise forward by a long shot.
In response to someone saying someone could sit inside the open area where the traditional neck would be, the underside saucer arrays would have that area in its firing arc. Also, having the torps mounted to a lower deck of the saucer, rather than the aft part of the hull may be possible.
Plus, maybe the ship launches support craft, and the bays "drop" the ships from under the saucer, rather than having them fly out an exposed bay.
Just because the model looks the way it does in this iteration, doesn't mean it will continue that way.
And damnit, I want the Tahoe Cryptic!!!!! You know what I'm talking about :mad:
I completely agree as far as this new Ent goes.
Well, I still don't like it. At least as a ship carrying the name of Enterprise.
As a Starfleet design is OK.
But the decision has been made, and I just have to live with. Eeeew.
- The game story! A new enterprise gives Cryptic an amazing chance to tell the game's story with an Enterprise crew involved. I'm on board with that. Instead of waiting for small cameos of bit characters (Naomi Wildman or Josh Riker or Miral Paris) and mentions of more major characters in the timeline (O'Brien developing the personal shields for Starfleet Corps of Engineers) ... we get an Enterprise crew. Ahhhhhhh, I can't wait.
- Getting to fly that ship too! So while this new Enterprise can be used to push the story forward in a Star Trek way, we as players get the chance to fly the same make of ship. It just gets back to feeling like we're part of the show. That's the part I like best about the feature episodes you know? Flying in with the title screen appearing onscreen. This builds on that for me.
- Advancing ships past what we already have. Let's face it, Tier 5's been pretty boring. At least for me. And Cryptic really did go on a long strange path with endgame ships. Nebulas, Excelsiors, Galaxy X's and Galaxy Retrofits ... all these ships that I'm glad they made but it's like, we're in the 25th century and we've spent most of the time in-game flying old ships from the old shows. This is a chance to ... heh ... boldly go past that. With a new Enterprise.
- Fan involvement! Following through. I mean come on, they held a contest. To design the new Enterprise. And someone won the contest. And their ship is being made. That's just the most amazing thing ever. I really want them to follow through on that. And not make too many drastic changes from the winning design. That, to me, would be like pulling the rug out from under the contest winner. Making the winning ship, that's just too awesome.
So I'm hyped up. And full on board with this new Enterprise. I am eagerly awaiting the next update to this development diary. It's probably the most exciting thing I've got going for me in the game since they first said they were going to release a Nausicaan ship last summer/fall.