The other day, AMC was showing Star Trek II Wrath of Khan. At the point when Kirk was about to go down to the planet/moon, he was about to just go with McCoy but Saavik spouted Starfleet regulations that *REQUIRES* a flag officer to beam down with an armed escort in a potential hostile environment. Kirk couldn't even argue it with her. An ADMIRAL had to take it from a LIEUTENANT. No way he could give her backtalk either.
Now in STFs we have FIVE flag officers going against this regulation. Cryptic, why are we breaking regulation? Can you give a good story reason for this?
The other day, AMC was showing Star Trek II Wrath of Khan. At the point when Kirk was about to go down to the planet/moon, he was about to just go with McCoy but Saavik spouted Starfleet regulations that *REQUIRES* a flag officer to beam down with an armed escort in a potential hostile environment. Kirk couldn't even argue it with her. An ADMIRAL had to take it from a LIEUTENANT. No way he could give her backtalk either.
Now in STFs we have FIVE flag officers going against this regulation. Cryptic, why are we breaking regulation? Can you give a good story reason for this?
I think 5 bad #$% admirals is a lot more protection for one another than a bunch of red shirts truth be told
And I said not really because there was a long thread a long time ago here with people who claimed the game was hard canon so not going down that road again. It ends in a brick wall dead end.
You weren't listening. Regulus is a planetoid. There is no such regulation and Kirk calls her on it. She made it up because she wanted to be on the away team. Kirk tells her there's no such regulation and then lets her go with them. Probably because he knew she was just being spunky like he was at that age.
In terms of game mechanics though, having us all get to VA so quickly and having all RAs or VAs on an away team is kinda dumb. I'd like the levels and ranks spread out a little more. But that's another topic and has been argued ad nauseam.
You weren't listening. Regulus is a planetoid. There is no such regulation and Kirk calls her on it. She made it up because she wanted to be on the away team. Kirk tells her there's no such regulation and then lets her go with them. Probably because he knew she was just being spunky like he was at that age.
In terms of game mechanics though, having us all get to VA so quickly and having all RAs or VAs on an away team is kinda dumb. I'd like the levels and ranks spread out a little more. But that's another topic and has been argued ad nauseam.
Vulcans don't lie or at least not supposed to as she was surprised when Spock made up the numbers of how long repairs would take, remember? Kirk said there wasn't one hoping she didn't know but realized he couldn't play it off so caved in.
The other day, AMC was showing Star Trek II Wrath of Khan. At the point when Kirk was about to go down to the planet/moon, he was about to just go with McCoy but Saavik spouted Starfleet regulations that *REQUIRES* a flag officer to beam down with an armed escort in a potential hostile environment. Kirk couldn't even argue it with her. An ADMIRAL had to take it from a LIEUTENANT. No way he could give her backtalk either.
Now in STFs we have FIVE flag officers going against this regulation. Cryptic, why are we breaking regulation? Can you give a good story reason for this?
The Captains have always broken this convention.
Picard spends the entirety of the TNG films as an action hero:
He should've sent Worf to fight in Nemesis (what Klingon wouldn't want to take down a full ship of baddies? also, no arthiritis)
He should've avoided the craptastic fight in Insurrection but chose to fight anyways.
He gets the TRIBBLE kicked out of him by Malcolm McDowell in Generations. He also rides off on a MAGICAL SPARKLE PONY into the Q-Flash Sunset with Captain Kirk.
First Contact has him climbing ropes and USING A TOMMY GUN!
The TOS Movies were especially notorious for having flag officers past their prime getting into crazy antics.
Whale Probe? All bridge crews that have moved on 2-3 films prior from the Enterprise.
Assassination attempt on the Federation President?
Scotty going Matrix over the assassin's tuchuses?
So, yeah, what canon says and what canon does are NEVER the same thing.
Picard spends the entirety of the TNG films as an action hero:
He should've sent Worf to fight in Nemesis (what Klingon wouldn't want to take down a full ship of baddies? also, no arthiritis)
He should've avoided the craptastic fight in Insurrection but chose to fight anyways.
He gets the TRIBBLE kicked out of him by Malcolm McDowell in Generations. He also rides off on a MAGICAL SPARKLE PONY into the Q-Flash Sunset with Captain Kirk.
First Contact has him climbing ropes and USING A TOMMY GUN!
So, yeah, what canon says and what canon does are NEVER the same thing.
They kind of explained Insurrection though but the explanation was kind of weak but it had one. But he wasn't alone either. He had Worf (security chief) with him.
Edit: And what you add as I was replying. It's not the flag officers going but going without the armed escort part. Two different things.
They kind of explained Insurrection though but the explanation was kind of weak but it had one. But he wasn't alone either. He had Worf (security chief) with him.
Worf was not a merry man. Picard literally had all the one-liners, aside from Worf's comment before firing a PURPLE SPACE BAZOOKA.
Mind you, Worf is a captain in his own right by now, right? Insurrection is after DS9. The reasons for Worf appearing with the crew are stretched thinner and thinner. First Contact has him just because the Defiant was called in from DS9 to protect earth.
I hope we can do it soon with ower Away Team and dont need other players to do it.
I dont want that STO is an other WoW i want somethink different maybe a new Bridge Commander but way better.
Sometimes I think it would be easier with the bridge crew than some of the PuGs I've been on. Some just don't work out as people who don't know what they are doing try to act as if they do.
Vulcans don't lie or at least not supposed to as she was surprised when Spock made up the numbers of how long repairs would take, remember? Kirk said there wasn't one hoping she didn't know but realized he couldn't play it off so caved in.
You misunderstood the scene. Try to relax and enjoy the game! ^^
you have to be in a fleet to do it and is has to be the right and a big one or it is hopeless to do this 4 Misions i done only 1 so far and i am in a flleet maybe the wrong because most Players not from my Timezone.
Vulcans don't lie or at least not supposed to as she was surprised when Spock made up the numbers of how long repairs would take, remember? Kirk said there wasn't one hoping she didn't know but realized he couldn't play it off so caved in.
Vulcans also aren't supposed to get emotional. Saavik swore during the Kobayashi Maru test, threw a thinly restrained tantrum afterward, and broke down crying at Spock's funeral. She also gave that mischievous trickster's smile when Kirk called her on General Order 15.
The Wrath of Khan script said she was half Romulan, the Voyage Home script said she was half Human. Both references got cut from the movies, but the character was almost as far removed from what Vulcans are supposed to be as McCoy.
The other day, AMC was showing Star Trek II Wrath of Khan. At the point when Kirk was about to go down to the planet/moon, he was about to just go with McCoy but Saavik spouted Starfleet regulations that *REQUIRES* a flag officer to beam down with an armed escort in a potential hostile environment. Kirk couldn't even argue it with her. An ADMIRAL had to take it from a LIEUTENANT. No way he could give her backtalk either.
Now in STFs we have FIVE flag officers going against this regulation. Cryptic, why are we breaking regulation? Can you give a good story reason for this?
I think it's a loophole.
Each flag officer is counting the other four as his or her armed escort.
For my personal "immersion", I interpret the following from the Path to 2409 Timeline as a change in regulation to allow for commanding officers to take command of away teams:
"The committee recommends revising rules on away teams to encourage more officers to seek command positions, increasing enrollment at Starfleet Academy and revising the command structure to allow for the best use of experienced personnel. "
Also covers the procedure of having high potential but low ranked officers getting commands well ahead of their peers.
The other day, AMC was showing Star Trek II Wrath of Khan. At the point when Kirk was about to go down to the planet/moon, he was about to just go with McCoy but Saavik spouted Starfleet regulations that *REQUIRES* a flag officer to beam down with an armed escort in a potential hostile environment. Kirk couldn't even argue it with her. An ADMIRAL had to take it from a LIEUTENANT. No way he could give her backtalk either.
Now in STFs we have FIVE flag officers going against this regulation. Cryptic, why are we breaking regulation? Can you give a good story reason for this?
Read the Path to 2409. That regulation no longer exists, and now officers of *any* Rank can be considered for Command, rather than just Commanders and Captains.
For my personal "immersion", I interpret the following from the Path to 2409 Timeline as a change in regulation to allow for commanding officers to take command of away teams:
"The committee recommends revising rules on away teams to encourage more officers to seek command positions, increasing enrollment at Starfleet Academy and revising the command structure to allow for the best use of experienced personnel. "
Also covers the procedure of having high potential but low ranked officers getting commands well ahead of their peers.
Yay. Someone else who actually READ the story behind STO before just assuming it will be like TNG: The MMO!
Also on the suggested reading list: Star Trek Online - The Needs of the Many. Fantastic book, with it's primary format being Jake Sisko interviewing lots of important Cannon characters,MACO makes a comeback, and also adds some new interesting spins on some species.
Examples: The Undine are much more fleshed out, as there was an "Undine War" right before STO's Timeline. The Gorn are a caste-based species, where the Science/Engineering Caste have a more thin and fast physique rather than big and bulky and walking like they move underwater. (Think Humanoid Velociraptor!)
The other day, AMC was showing Star Trek II Wrath of Khan. At the point when Kirk was about to go down to the planet/moon, he was about to just go with McCoy but Saavik spouted Starfleet regulations that *REQUIRES* a flag officer to beam down with an armed escort in a potential hostile environment. Kirk couldn't even argue it with her. An ADMIRAL had to take it from a LIEUTENANT. No way he could give her backtalk either.
Now in STFs we have FIVE flag officers going against this regulation. Cryptic, why are we breaking regulation? Can you give a good story reason for this?
Don't know WTH you're talking about. My Tactical VA always has armed Security officers on which he can call
Read the Path to 2409. That regulation no longer exists, and now officers of *any* Rank can be considered for Command, rather than just Commanders and Captains.
YOu totally don't understand it. It's not about commanding a ship. It's about a flag officer (ADMIRAL) going into a landing party that is potentially dangerous without armed escort. Stress "WITHOUT ARMED ESCORT". You quoted something about commanding a ship. Apples meet oranges.
Don't know WTH you're talking about. My Tactical VA always has armed Security officers on which he can call
Yeah, tac officers are following the regulations. lol.
you have to be in a fleet to do it and is has to be the right and a big one or it is hopeless to do this 4 Misions i done only 1 so far and i am in a flleet maybe the wrong because most Players not from my Timezone.
The best STF runs I had was with the fleet I'm in but 90% of them left the game and the other 10% is hardly on at the same time. Such a shame too.
Also, remember that the role of senior staff changes during war time.
By way of comparison, generals don't get out much during peace time but during war, everyone deploys and everyone pulls their weight. War shifts life from the garrison to the field. Also, large scale conflicts like WW2 resulted in faster promotions - meaning more brass.
For my personal "immersion", I interpret the following from the Path to 2409 Timeline as a change in regulation to allow for commanding officers to take command of away teams:
"The committee recommends revising rules on away teams to encourage more officers to seek command positions, increasing enrollment at Starfleet Academy and revising the command structure to allow for the best use of experienced personnel. "
Also covers the procedure of having high potential but low ranked officers getting commands well ahead of their peers.
That doesn't say a thing about the "WITH ARMED ESCORT" part of it. Point where they say it was done away with that reg. Committee recommends revising rules but what rules? And the commanding ship thing is a completely different thing than this.
Also, remember that the role of senior staff changes during war time.
By way of comparison, generals don't get out much during peace time but during war, everyone deploys and everyone pulls their weight. War shifts life from the garrison to the field. Also, large scale conflicts like WW2 resulted in faster promotions - meaning more brass.
I don't remember one single general going into a dangerous situation *ALONE* or with just 4 other generals. Can you educate me on that battle though?
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It's just a game based on a TV show.
Do you wanna run an STF with five Lieutenants level toons?
The regulations may have been rewritten in the 120 years between TWOK and STO.
Do any of these answer your question?
I think 5 bad #$% admirals is a lot more protection for one another than a bunch of red shirts truth be told
First bold: What does that have to do with the question?
Second bold: They need to say so which means they have to run that by CBS first.
Last question you put: Not really. But thanks for trying.
In terms of game mechanics though, having us all get to VA so quickly and having all RAs or VAs on an away team is kinda dumb. I'd like the levels and ranks spread out a little more. But that's another topic and has been argued ad nauseam.
Vulcans don't lie or at least not supposed to as she was surprised when Spock made up the numbers of how long repairs would take, remember? Kirk said there wasn't one hoping she didn't know but realized he couldn't play it off so caved in.
Now THAT is an answer. lol
The Captains have always broken this convention.
Picard spends the entirety of the TNG films as an action hero:
The TOS Movies were especially notorious for having flag officers past their prime getting into crazy antics.
- Whale Probe? All bridge crews that have moved on 2-3 films prior from the Enterprise.
- Assassination attempt on the Federation President?
- Scotty going Matrix over the assassin's tuchuses?
So, yeah, what canon says and what canon does are NEVER the same thing.They kind of explained Insurrection though but the explanation was kind of weak but it had one. But he wasn't alone either. He had Worf (security chief) with him.
Edit: And what you add as I was replying. It's not the flag officers going but going without the armed escort part. Two different things.
Worf was not a merry man. Picard literally had all the one-liners, aside from Worf's comment before firing a PURPLE SPACE BAZOOKA.
Mind you, Worf is a captain in his own right by now, right? Insurrection is after DS9. The reasons for Worf appearing with the crew are stretched thinner and thinner. First Contact has him just because the Defiant was called in from DS9 to protect earth.
I dont want that STO is an other WoW i want somethink different maybe a new Bridge Commander but way better.
Worf was a Commander actually.
And that merry man quote he did in that one episode always makes me LOL.
Sometimes I think it would be easier with the bridge crew than some of the PuGs I've been on. Some just don't work out as people who don't know what they are doing try to act as if they do.
You misunderstood the scene. Try to relax and enjoy the game! ^^
Vulcans also aren't supposed to get emotional. Saavik swore during the Kobayashi Maru test, threw a thinly restrained tantrum afterward, and broke down crying at Spock's funeral. She also gave that mischievous trickster's smile when Kirk called her on General Order 15.
The Wrath of Khan script said she was half Romulan, the Voyage Home script said she was half Human. Both references got cut from the movies, but the character was almost as far removed from what Vulcans are supposed to be as McCoy.
Voyager + Enterprise = [CrtH] x3 Canon Violation
(and I liked Enterprise)
I think it's a loophole.
Each flag officer is counting the other four as his or her armed escort.
"The committee recommends revising rules on away teams to encourage more officers to seek command positions, increasing enrollment at Starfleet Academy and revising the command structure to allow for the best use of experienced personnel. "
Also covers the procedure of having high potential but low ranked officers getting commands well ahead of their peers.
See:
http://www.startrekonline.com/node/1771/long
Read the Path to 2409. That regulation no longer exists, and now officers of *any* Rank can be considered for Command, rather than just Commanders and Captains.
Yay. Someone else who actually READ the story behind STO before just assuming it will be like TNG: The MMO!
Also on the suggested reading list: Star Trek Online - The Needs of the Many. Fantastic book, with it's primary format being Jake Sisko interviewing lots of important Cannon characters,MACO makes a comeback, and also adds some new interesting spins on some species.
Examples: The Undine are much more fleshed out, as there was an "Undine War" right before STO's Timeline. The Gorn are a caste-based species, where the Science/Engineering Caste have a more thin and fast physique rather than big and bulky and walking like they move underwater. (Think Humanoid Velociraptor!)
YOu totally don't understand it. It's not about commanding a ship. It's about a flag officer (ADMIRAL) going into a landing party that is potentially dangerous without armed escort. Stress "WITHOUT ARMED ESCORT". You quoted something about commanding a ship. Apples meet oranges.
Yeah, tac officers are following the regulations. lol.
The best STF runs I had was with the fleet I'm in but 90% of them left the game and the other 10% is hardly on at the same time. Such a shame too.
By way of comparison, generals don't get out much during peace time but during war, everyone deploys and everyone pulls their weight. War shifts life from the garrison to the field. Also, large scale conflicts like WW2 resulted in faster promotions - meaning more brass.
That doesn't say a thing about the "WITH ARMED ESCORT" part of it. Point where they say it was done away with that reg. Committee recommends revising rules but what rules? And the commanding ship thing is a completely different thing than this.
I don't remember one single general going into a dangerous situation *ALONE* or with just 4 other generals. Can you educate me on that battle though?