I tend to read through the forums daily, & the biggest response I've seen so far is the reactions of the new Enterprise-F coming soon. To be honest, I've never seen such a negative reaction to anything in STO. Personally, I think the new Enterprise-F looks fine .... but I'm not ready to call it the Enterprise yet. Which lead to a question posed to me & a few others just recently by a friend/fleetmate, & I'd like to hear what others think regarding this question:
What Makes an Enterprise?
Every Enterprise, ship wise, was THE top of the line (or damn close) cruiser in Starfleet. The Enterprise was the flagship of the Federation ... the BEST it had. But the biggest factor wasn't the ship itself, but the crew. Thinking back to every episode of Star Trek, and every Star Trek game you've played, when all hell was breaking loose and the Enterprise showed up, what you were thinking? The Enterprise is more then just a ship.
I won't be ready to call Enterprise-F "The Enterprise" until I see the finished product ... that includes its captain & what it can/will do in action.
The Enterprise is just a ship. Not top-of-the-line (remember ST5?).
It's the crew that make it exceptional.
From ST3 to ST6, the Constitution-class was beaten out by the Excelisor, which still made it one of the better ships during its time.. And I do agree the crew is the biggest factor.
When ever I think "Enterprise" the crew is the first thing that comes to mind, the crew is the soul of the ship, the drama, the laughs, the ups and downs, the chemistry between the crew whatever you want to call it.
Seeing the new Enterprise F in game will do little for me because well.... it just does not feel like the Enterprise. It's the same thing when I saw the Enterprise J, to me it was just a ship with a famous name.
While it's entirely true that it's the crew and not the ship...
Enterprises have typically followed a rather flowing design set up, as has been said before in numerous places by numerous people, you can draw a line from 1701 all the way to 1701-E. And the main complaint about the winner that alot of people have (myself included) is that this seems like a step back in that line.
Now, is it such a big deal as to make me rage quit? No. If the writers can pull it off, this might become one of my favorites. But to have that line seem to get interrupted is a bit jarring.
When ever I think "Enterprise" the crew is the first thing that comes to mind, the crew is the soul of the ship, the drama, the laughs, the ups and downs, the chemistry between the crew whatever you want to call it.
Seeing the new Enterprise F in game will do little for me because well.... it just does not feel like the Enterprise. It's the same thing when I saw the Enterprise J, to me it was just a ship with a famous name.
That makes alot of sense. We, as fans, tend to think highly of the name Enterprise because we grow familar with the crews. I had the same reactions to Enterprise-J as well. Much like I had a negative reaction to the Enterprise-B mainly because of its captain, knowing that it was a good ship.
I've began to think, in order to give the new Enterprise-F a far chance, much more needs to be done ... as in giving it a crew, we as players & fans, can interact with during missions & perhaps grow to respect.
Every Enterprise, ship wise, was THE top of the line (or damn close) cruiser in Starfleet.
Actually, this must be false. When the damaged Enterprise limps back to Earth after WoK, Admiral What's-his-face gently points out to Kirk that the Enterprise is old, and will not be fixed up. (Side-note: Proof that TMP never happened!) So at that point in time, the Enterprise is obviously not the 'Pride of Starfleet', just another old Constitution-class cruiser.
While it's entirely true that it's the crew and not the ship...
Enterprises have typically followed a rather flowing design set up, as has been said before in numerous places by numerous people, you can draw a line from 1701 all the way to 1701-E. And the main complaint about the winner that alot of people have (myself included) is that this seems like a step back in that line.
Now, is it such a big deal as to make me rage quit? No. If the writers can pull it off, this might become one of my favorites. But to have that line seem to get interrupted is a bit jarring.
If I remember correctly, the "neck" was the main complaint. To be completely honest, the only two ships with the name Enterprise I ever really liked was the Constitution-Refit & the Sovereign. The rest I wasn't too thrilled about. Still, I find the orginal concept of the winner's design interesting.
That said, I haven't encountered ANYTHING with this game to warrant such an immature response as "rage quiting." Your last statement has been the best description of what's going on. Considering the ACTUAL Enterprise-F hasn't been revealed yet, I think fans will be ok with the final outcome. I'm still thinking more along the lines of a captain & crew for the new Enteprise.
Actually, this must be false. When the damaged Enterprise limps back to Earth after WoK, Admiral What's-his-face gently points out to Kirk that the Enterprise is old, and will not be fixed up. (Side-note: Proof that TMP never happened!) So at that point in time, the Enterprise is obviously not the 'Pride of Starfleet', just another old Constitution-class cruiser.
I probably should have worded that better. Nonetheless, the Constitution refit was still up there in the ship lines of Starfleet. The only other Starfleet ships that beat out the Constitution refits were the Excelsior (which during that time, only had one). Much like the comparison between a Galaxy-class & the Sovereign-class.
Sidenote: TMP never happened :eek: ..... Have you gone mad ?
On the shallow side:-
Two Nacelles on pylons
Saucer section
Engineering section
Bridge
Majestic and cool, with atleast a slight aerodynamic feel as well as balance (even though neither important in space).
Actually, this must be false. When the damaged Enterprise limps back to Earth after WoK, Admiral What's-his-face gently points out to Kirk that the Enterprise is old, and will not be fixed up. (Side-note: Proof that TMP never happened!) So at that point in time, the Enterprise is obviously not the 'Pride of Starfleet', just another old Constitution-class cruiser.
Not counting the time gap between ST1 and ST2...at least, as I recall, one full 5-year mission. There are several 'Lost Years' gaps between the first 6 films. As I recall, the original NCC-1701 went through several 5-year long missions.
As for the STO NCC-1701-F...as I've only seen a 2-D pic that won a contest thus far, can't really say how good she looks or not. For that, I would have to see her in 3-D and from multiple angles (ie, bow, aft, port, starboard, dorsal, ventral, et cetera).
The name Enterprise has been given to US naval flagships since after the revolutionary war. The first one was a gift to the US from france in 1779. At the time it was one of the largest and best armed ships of its kind.
The Enterprise was reborn for the war of 1812, and again for the Civil war, but this time it was as an ironclad ship, armed with short range mortar cannons.
In World War 2, the Enterprise was the name of an aircraft carrier stationed in the Pacific. It was the same class as the Yorktown. Both the Enterprise and Yorktown along with the USS Hornet are featured in the movie Midway, featuring actual footage from the battle of midway and the Enterprise.
In 1976, the Enterprise made its return as the US Navy Flagship. The Enterprise is the largest and most capable aircraft carrier in the world and also the first ever to utilize nuclear reactor power.
As for the STO NCC-1701-F...as I've only seen a 2-D pic that won a contest thus far, can't really say how good she looks or not. For that, I would have to see her in 3-D and from multiple angles (ie, bow, aft, port, starboard, dorsal, ventral, et cetera).
On an episode of STOked they have a "rough" 3-D view of the Enterprise F Here
Edit:
Did some looking and found a link to the source of the 3D images which is here.
The Ship is long over due to Set up as the First of its own Design Class.
In keeping with Terrestrial Naval Tradition a Ships Class designation is for the most part derived from the First ship in the Series.
A FLagships Staff Core Senior Leadership Transfers with the Command
The Flag can go to any ship.. But for the ship to be a flagship or more iconic it needs the facilities size and dominate capabilities unique to it alone.
An Elite crew can do more with an average ship then a Green crew w a hundred more guns in the days of sail.
The Flagship of the Fleet or "A" fleet.. would go to the Best of the Best in the Modern age and less to the best connected. So I expect Senior Fleet Captain Data to Pass the Baton
That the Crew and Command Staff of the ENT will be a matter of deep thought and writings on par and beyond the PATH TO.
The Best Fleets are moored or anchored they exhibit their Flagship for all to see and respect. it never travels alone..of sits at a transwarp gate for long. It's on the hottest missions and has a special dire needs COMM line to the Chief of Operations and can make Empire Decisions that affect the Empire or Quadrant without debating in the Imperial Senate Chambers or second guessing.
IF i get out of lien my Vulcan Kommissar will nerve pinch me and take the ship back for new trials.. oops Freudian Archerprise slip there..
No The Enterprise has to be a place where everyone wants to serve a lofty goal.. It's better to be Lieutenant running the ships Laundry on the End then to Rule a Prison Colony.. as a Senior Post Captain..
On an episode of STOked they have a "rough" 3-D view of the Enterprise F Here
Edit:
Did some looking and found a link to the source of the 3D images which is here.
STOked but my question in a poll !!! Though I think they thought of it first . Still glad I asked the community though. And the new Enterprise, for some reason, just looks far better to me now with the 3D rendering & additional detail.
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It's the crew that make it exceptional.
It's just a ship.
We could have easily had Star Trek, with the Starship Lollipop under Captain Temple....
From ST3 to ST6, the Constitution-class was beaten out by the Excelisor, which still made it one of the better ships during its time.. And I do agree the crew is the biggest factor.
Seeing the new Enterprise F in game will do little for me because well.... it just does not feel like the Enterprise. It's the same thing when I saw the Enterprise J, to me it was just a ship with a famous name.
Enterprises have typically followed a rather flowing design set up, as has been said before in numerous places by numerous people, you can draw a line from 1701 all the way to 1701-E. And the main complaint about the winner that alot of people have (myself included) is that this seems like a step back in that line.
Now, is it such a big deal as to make me rage quit? No. If the writers can pull it off, this might become one of my favorites. But to have that line seem to get interrupted is a bit jarring.
That makes alot of sense. We, as fans, tend to think highly of the name Enterprise because we grow familar with the crews. I had the same reactions to Enterprise-J as well. Much like I had a negative reaction to the Enterprise-B mainly because of its captain, knowing that it was a good ship.
I've began to think, in order to give the new Enterprise-F a far chance, much more needs to be done ... as in giving it a crew, we as players & fans, can interact with during missions & perhaps grow to respect.
Actually, this must be false. When the damaged Enterprise limps back to Earth after WoK, Admiral What's-his-face gently points out to Kirk that the Enterprise is old, and will not be fixed up. (Side-note: Proof that TMP never happened!) So at that point in time, the Enterprise is obviously not the 'Pride of Starfleet', just another old Constitution-class cruiser.
If I remember correctly, the "neck" was the main complaint. To be completely honest, the only two ships with the name Enterprise I ever really liked was the Constitution-Refit & the Sovereign. The rest I wasn't too thrilled about. Still, I find the orginal concept of the winner's design interesting.
That said, I haven't encountered ANYTHING with this game to warrant such an immature response as "rage quiting." Your last statement has been the best description of what's going on. Considering the ACTUAL Enterprise-F hasn't been revealed yet, I think fans will be ok with the final outcome. I'm still thinking more along the lines of a captain & crew for the new Enteprise.
I probably should have worded that better. Nonetheless, the Constitution refit was still up there in the ship lines of Starfleet. The only other Starfleet ships that beat out the Constitution refits were the Excelsior (which during that time, only had one). Much like the comparison between a Galaxy-class & the Sovereign-class.
Sidenote: TMP never happened :eek: ..... Have you gone mad
Two Nacelles on pylons
Saucer section
Engineering section
Bridge
Majestic and cool, with atleast a slight aerodynamic feel as well as balance (even though neither important in space).
Not counting the time gap between ST1 and ST2...at least, as I recall, one full 5-year mission. There are several 'Lost Years' gaps between the first 6 films. As I recall, the original NCC-1701 went through several 5-year long missions.
As for the STO NCC-1701-F...as I've only seen a 2-D pic that won a contest thus far, can't really say how good she looks or not. For that, I would have to see her in 3-D and from multiple angles (ie, bow, aft, port, starboard, dorsal, ventral, et cetera).
The name Enterprise has been given to US naval flagships since after the revolutionary war. The first one was a gift to the US from france in 1779. At the time it was one of the largest and best armed ships of its kind.
The Enterprise was reborn for the war of 1812, and again for the Civil war, but this time it was as an ironclad ship, armed with short range mortar cannons.
In World War 2, the Enterprise was the name of an aircraft carrier stationed in the Pacific. It was the same class as the Yorktown. Both the Enterprise and Yorktown along with the USS Hornet are featured in the movie Midway, featuring actual footage from the battle of midway and the Enterprise.
In 1976, the Enterprise made its return as the US Navy Flagship. The Enterprise is the largest and most capable aircraft carrier in the world and also the first ever to utilize nuclear reactor power.
On an episode of STOked they have a "rough" 3-D view of the Enterprise F Here
Edit:
Did some looking and found a link to the source of the 3D images which is here.
Without it, the ship would be just another Fed cruiser..
In keeping with Terrestrial Naval Tradition a Ships Class designation is for the most part derived from the First ship in the Series.
A FLagships Staff Core Senior Leadership Transfers with the Command
The Flag can go to any ship.. But for the ship to be a flagship or more iconic it needs the facilities size and dominate capabilities unique to it alone.
An Elite crew can do more with an average ship then a Green crew w a hundred more guns in the days of sail.
The Flagship of the Fleet or "A" fleet.. would go to the Best of the Best in the Modern age and less to the best connected. So I expect Senior Fleet Captain Data to Pass the Baton
That the Crew and Command Staff of the ENT will be a matter of deep thought and writings on par and beyond the PATH TO.
The Best Fleets are moored or anchored they exhibit their Flagship for all to see and respect. it never travels alone..of sits at a transwarp gate for long. It's on the hottest missions and has a special dire needs COMM line to the Chief of Operations and can make Empire Decisions that affect the Empire or Quadrant without debating in the Imperial Senate Chambers or second guessing.
IF i get out of lien my Vulcan Kommissar will nerve pinch me and take the ship back for new trials.. oops Freudian Archerprise slip there..
No The Enterprise has to be a place where everyone wants to serve a lofty goal.. It's better to be Lieutenant running the ships Laundry on the End then to Rule a Prison Colony.. as a Senior Post Captain..
Looks like a cross between an Oberth and a Galaxy....odd is all I can say.
STOked but my question in a poll !!! Though I think they thought of it first