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Picard being selfish ?

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited May 2011 in Ten Forward
In "Star Trek: Generations", do you think that Picard guilt tripping Kirk to leave the nexus and therefore die ?

I mean, if you were in Heaven, why would you want to leave ?

I mean with the dialouge between Kirk and Picard when he was trying to "convince" him to leave, Kirk says something along the lines of

"...I've been saving the galaxy, when your grandfather was in napies, I think the universe owes me one..."

I mean, he lead a good, full life, "dying" in a noble act to save the Enterprise B, so doesnt that deserve the nexus, relatively speaking ?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    No because Kirk was just the only one he could get to in the Nexus to help him out. It was either that or try it on his own again but he didn't he could do it without help.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Whaller13 wrote: »
    No because Kirk was just the only one he could get to in the Nexus to help him out. It was either that or try it on his own again but he didn't he could do it without help.

    That may be but this always made more sense to me:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_5h0BRO5O4
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    That may be but this always made more sense to me:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_5h0BRO5O4

    HA! Yea I've seen that before. It does make a lot more sense.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Who says being stuck in a paradise is "heaven"?


    See "A Nice Place to Visit" from original The Twilight Zone
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Oh hey dude. good to see you back.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Kirk didn't let Picard strongarm or guilt-trip him to leave the nexus. He did precisely his own thing until that saddest moment when he realised none of it was real. Kirk could never stand to live a lie because it felt good. And as the great Captain said himself:

    "This is not about an empty house. Maybe it's about that empty chair on the bridge of the Enterprise."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Oh hey dude. good to see you back.

    Hey buddy, yeah back in a limited sense, but still back !
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    It's actually an example of Picard being an idiot.

    No, really - there are lots of places he could've gone back to without the audience pandering of riding off into a metaphysical warp flash with Kirk on sparkle ponies.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    There are already a couple of hilarious reviews discussing Picard's (and everyone's else) idiotic behaviour in Generations, so the only thing I will add are:
    1) I'd rather forget the movie existed
    2) TNG Picard was way better (after the writers removed the UFP flagpole from his behind), and is still a great character
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    You know, there was a plot-hole a mile deep with that one that will forever bother me and it goes beyond what anyone might call selfish.

    Guinan tells Picard he can leave the Nexus and go anywhere and any TIME he wants.

    Leave the nexus a few weeks before the events in the movie, save his nephew and brother from the fire, send a whole fleet to stop the whole event from happening, the end
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Leave the nexus a few weeks before the events in the movie, save his nephew and brother from the fire, send a whole fleet to stop the whole event from happening, the end

    And before someone brings up the Temporal Prime Directive, I will point out that the day is saved because Picard interferes with the timeline anyway, so I'm pre-emptively negating this justification. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Beyond that, even the most dedicated officers in the Federation, if Human, is still at his core probably willing to break that law if it means saving a loved family member. There would be a few exceptions of course, but I am willing to bet that the majority would probably care more about family.
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