All Trekkers know about Quantum Mechanics, Alternate Timelines/Dimensions, and everything associated therein. The Star Trek Franchise has practically written the book on this topic, dealing with Alternate Timelines on many different occasions.
And, of course, this also allows for people who travel between these multiple timelines, which the Star Trek Franchise covers, as well.
And this opens up all sorts of possibilities for us in STO--Quantum Mechanical (and even direct) crossovers with other franchises. Evil Counterparts. Rule 63. TRIBBLE Yourself. And much, much more.
So, I hereby open up this thread so we can discuss Quantum Mechanics and everything that results from it--Including all of the ways we have found to incorporate it into our characters.
I look forward to seeing what we all can, and have, come up with in regards to this very interesting topic. :cool:
Already posted it in another thread, but here is my list of alternate universes...
Prime Universe (Universe 1) - Standard universe
Evil Alternate Universe - Everyone is evil and has a goatee
Universe A - Exactly like standard universe, except all coin tosses have been switched around. Heads becomes tails.
Earth 2 Universe - Similar to our universe, but Batman was killed
Terca Luminus Universe - The universe where Yuri Lowell cut the moon in half with his sword
Gensokyo - Crazy place, let's not go there
Good Alternate Universe - Everyone is good and has friendly mutton-chops.
El Federation Universo - Everyone speaks Spanish here instead of English
Lame-verse - Everyone is a lame and boring character
Puny-verse - smallest universe ever, measures only 10 miles across
Universe 63 - Genderswapped universe
Disappearance-verse - The alternate universe created by Yuki Nagato in The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya
Bizarro Universe - Everything is the same but different and bizarro.
All Trekkers know about Quantum Mechanics, Alternate Timelines/Dimensions, and everything associated therein. The Star Trek Franchise has practically written the book on this topic, dealing with Alternate Timelines on many different occasions.
And, of course, this also allows for people who travel between these multiple timelines, which the Star Trek Franchise covers, as well.
And this opens up all sorts of possibilities for us in STO--Quantum Mechanical (and even direct) crossovers with other franchises. Evil Counterparts. Rule 63. TRIBBLE Yourself. And much, much more.
So, I hereby open up this thread so we can discuss Quantum Mechanics and everything that results from it--Including all of the ways we have found to incorporate it into our characters.
I look forward to seeing what we all can, and have, come up with in regards to this very interesting topic. :cool:
I'd prefer not to discuss the possibly of having sex with myself....thanks, Kira.
Cosmologist Max Tegmark has provided a taxonomy of universes beyond the familiar observable universe. The levels according to Tegmark's classification are arranged such that subsequent levels can be understood to encompass and expand upon previous levels, and they are briefly described below.[2][3]
[edit]Level I: Beyond our cosmological horizon
A generic prediction of chaotic inflation is an infinite ergodic universe, which, being infinite, must contain Hubble volumes realizing all initial conditions.
Accordingly, an infinite universe will contain an infinite number of Hubble volumes, all having the same physical laws and physical constants. In regard to configurations such as the distribution of matter, almost all will differ from our Hubble volume. However, because there are infinitely many, far beyond the cosmological horizon, there will eventually be Hubble volumes with similar, and even identical, configurations. Tegmark estimates that an identical volume to ours should be about 1010115 meters away from us (a number larger than a googolplex).[4][5] Note that this estimate seems to assume a uniform distribution of Hubble volume states; in reality, any distribution may be true, meaning that our particular Hubble volume may, in fact, be unique.
[edit]Level II: Universes with different physical constants
"Bubble universes", every disk is a bubble universe (Universe 1 to Universe 6 are different bubbles, they have physical constants that are different from our universe), our universe is just one of the bubbles.
In the chaotic inflation theory, a variant of the cosmic inflation theory, the multiverse as a whole is stretching and will continue doing so forever, but some regions of space stop stretching and form distinct bubbles, like gas pockets in a loaf of rising bread. Such bubbles are embryonic level I multiverses. Linde and Vanchurin calculated the number of these universes to be on the scale of 101010000000.[6]
Different bubbles may experience different spontaneous symmetry breaking resulting in different properties such as different physical constants.[4]
This level also includes John Archibald Wheeler's oscillatory universe theory and Lee Smolin's fecund universes theory.
Level III: Many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics
Hugh Everett's many-worlds interpretation (MWI) is one of several mainstream interpretations of quantum mechanics. In brief, one aspect of quantum mechanics is that certain observations cannot be predicted absolutely. Instead, there is a range of possible observations each with a different probability. According to the MWI, each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe. Suppose a die is thrown that contains 6 sides and that the result corresponds to a quantum mechanics observable. All 6 possible ways the die can fall correspond to 6 different universes. (More correctly, in MWI there is only a single universe but after the "split" into "many worlds" these cannot in general interact.)[7]
Tegmark argues that a level III multiverse does not contain more possibilities in the Hubble volume than a level I-II multiverse. In effect, all the different "worlds" created by "splits" in a level III multiverse with the same physical constants can be found in some Hubble volume in a level I multiverse. Tegmark writes that "The only difference between Level I and Level III is where your doppelg
I'd prefer not to discuss the possibly of having sex with myself....thanks, Kira.
First off, Zona, I only provided that as an example of what was possible.
Second, I thought I made it clear in this thread that I didn't want people changing my post color to Magenta when they quoted it!!! Starting with this post, anyone who uses that color for my posts will have their post quoted by me in Navy.
Oh, and "TRIBBLE Yourself" in this instance really means "TRIBBLE Your Alternate Universe Counterpart". Even if Sex doesn't get involved, there are some rather interesting scenarios that can play out there (although I would combine it with Rule 63, myself. :cool:)
Now, I think I should describe an alternate universe I came up with for a story arc I plan on creating in the Foundry...
The Shadow Universe.
The Shadow Universe runs pretty much parallel to the Prime Universe, with a couple of major twists. First, the Federation of the Shadow-Universe has problems with Mass-Producing Ships that the Federation of the Prime Universe doesn't have. Therefore, the Federation of the Shadow Universe have become masters of retrofitting new technology into existing spaceframes, meaning it isn't that uncommon to find an NX with Shields there, or an Excelsior with the equipment of a Galaxy. Thanks to several wars fought with the Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians, as well as an early arrival of the Borg some 50 years before they appeared in the Prime Timeline, Advanced Weapons like Quantum Torpedoes were also developed sooner in the Shadow Universe than they were in the Prime Universe
Second, the Dominion War happened in the Shadow Universe about 15 Years before it happened in the Prime Universe, with the Cardassians and Klingons on the side of the Federation, and the Romulans on the side of the Dominion. The Federation's victory over the Dominion was much more overwhelming in the Shadow Universe than it was in the Prime Universe.
After the Dominion War, the Shadow Universe faced another threat in the form of a rogue Black Ops unit called the Shadow-Mirrors. Their leader, a former Starfleet Officer named Vindel Mauser, thought that war was the ideal state of the universe, a condition in which technology advances by leaps and bounds, and governmental corruption is statistically low. Thus, he precipitated many conflicts from the shadows, seeking to embroil the galaxy in never-ending war.
However, in 2375, Vindel and his Shadow-Mirrors were defeated by a special Federation Task Force known as the Beowulves. In order to escape destruction and begin their plans anew, the Shadow-Mirrors used an experimental technology called System-XN to teleport between Timelines, ending up in the Prime Universe shortly after the end of the Prime Universe's Dominion War.
Just like in their home timeline, the Shadow-Mirrors worked from behind the scenes to perpetuate conflict, secretly supporting the rise of those who also sought war and bloodshed, such as Praetor Shinzon and the True Way. And with the current Federation-Klingon War, the Shadow-Mirrors do their utmost to sabotage any potential peace attempts, striking wherever and killing they need to in order to accomplish their goal of never-ending war.
But now, in the year 2409 in the Prime Universe, the Shadow-Mirrors are about to start going head-to-head with Section 31, and this shadow war has the potential to be extremely violent...
That's the background of the Shadow Universe and the Shadow-Mirrors, as well as a set up for my Story Arc, the Shadow-Mirror Saga. :cool:
I will admit that there's a bit of crossover involved in the Shadow Universe I came up with. Having played plenty of Super Robot Wars Video Games, I always felt that the Shadow-Mirrors from Super Robot Wars Advance were pretty epic bad guys, and I wanted to include them in the Star Trek Universe. However, since Star Trek and Mecha cannot be mixed outside of Fanfiction, I needed to redo the Shadow-Mirrors a bit, making them slightly more Trek-oriented and making them a home Timeline that's similar to the STO Universe, yet different in enough ways to make it unique, and filled with enough conflict to validate Vindel's beliefs in the "ideal state" of war.
So, what do people think of the Shadow Universe and the Shadow-Mirrors? :cool:
Is there really so little interest in this topic? I felt it had plenty of potential, yet after three days the thread still hasn't even gotten a second page.
Hasn't anyone utilized Quantum Mechanics and Dimensional Travelers either in Character Creation or with the Foundry? I know I have a couple of times. :cool:
Is there really so little interest in this topic? I felt it had plenty of potential, yet after three days the thread still hasn't even gotten a second page.
Hasn't anyone utilized Quantum Mechanics and Dimensional Travelers either in Character Creation or with the Foundry? I know I have a couple of times. :cool:
Before Foundry was released on Tribble I started a thread in the Foundry Forums about "Anyone got any story-arcs planned?". Multi Reality was a concept I was going to use for a series about the random but VERY frequent uses of the number 47 in Star Trek (Search for 47 in memory-alpha wiki)
47 was a sign of a temporal or otherwise event staged by the Advanced Sciences Division of Starfleet. In 2409 however cults had started to form, entire races begun to worship the number 47. On the way to a First Contact ceremony you receive a distress call from the USS Alexandria, a science vessle commanded by Admiral Hanson on arrival you find the ship to be stuck in the gravity well of a black hole and you must beam to a small section of the ship to rescue the senior staff. When on board you discover the Black Hole is more then it first seems and when "ghosts" of figures from 2147, 2247, 2347 and 2447 are walking the halls it leads you to confront the Admiral shortly before he disappears through the anomoly.
47 was going to be about more then time-travel, I was going to have it cross dimensions, explain who the mysterious "Future Guy" from Enterprise was, explain why Enterprise "looks different" to TOS and try and clarify just what the frak red matter is
Perhaps you and I should set the trend... maybe you and I should get our heads together and write some stuff Kira
Before Foundry was released on Tribble I started a thread in the Foundry Forums about "Anyone got any story-arcs planned?". Multi Reality was a concept I was going to use for a series about the random but VERY frequent uses of the number 47 in Star Trek (Search for 47 in memory-alpha wiki)
47 was a sign of a temporal or otherwise event staged by the Advanced Sciences Division of Starfleet. In 2409 however cults had started to form, entire races begun to worship the number 47. On the way to a First Contact ceremony you receive a distress call from the USS Alexandria, a science vessle commanded by Admiral Hanson on arrival you find the ship to be stuck in the gravity well of a black hole and you must beam to a small section of the ship to rescue the senior staff. When on board you discover the Black Hole is more then it first seems and when "ghosts" of figures from 2147, 2247, 2347 and 2447 are walking the halls it leads you to confront the Admiral shortly before he disappears through the anomoly.
47 was going to be about more then time-travel, I was going to have it cross dimensions, explain who the mysterious "Future Guy" from Enterprise was, explain why Enterprise "looks different" to TOS and try and clarify just what the frak red matter is
Perhaps you and I should set the trend... maybe you and I should get our heads together and write some stuff Kira
Perhaps we should. I currently have my first Foundry Mission in early development, and it starts a story arc dealing with an alternate dimension. And your idea sounds good, too.
Here's the info on the Alternate Universe I came up with for my story arc, a universe I call the Shadow Universe:
The Shadow Universe runs pretty much parallel to the Prime Universe, with a couple of major twists. First, the Federation of the Shadow-Universe has problems with Mass-Producing Ships that the Federation of the Prime Universe doesn't have. Therefore, the Federation of the Shadow Universe have become masters of retrofitting new technology into existing spaceframes, meaning it isn't that uncommon to find an NX with Shields there, or an Excelsior with the equipment of a Galaxy. Thanks to several wars fought with the Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians, as well as an early arrival of the Borg some 50 years before they appeared in the Prime Timeline, Advanced Weapons like Quantum Torpedoes were also developed sooner in the Shadow Universe than they were in the Prime Universe
Second, the Dominion War happened in the Shadow Universe about 15 Years before it happened in the Prime Universe, with the Cardassians and Klingons on the side of the Federation, and the Romulans on the side of the Dominion. The Federation's victory over the Dominion was much more overwhelming in the Shadow Universe than it was in the Prime Universe.
After the Dominion War, the Shadow Universe faced another threat in the form of a rogue Black Ops unit called the Shadow-Mirrors. Their leader, a former Starfleet Officer named Vindel Mauser, thought that war was the ideal state of the universe, a condition in which technology advances by leaps and bounds, and governmental corruption is statistically low. Thus, he precipitated many conflicts from the shadows, seeking to embroil the galaxy in never-ending war.
However, in 2375, Vindel and his Shadow-Mirrors were defeated by a special Federation Task Force known as the Beowulves. In order to escape destruction and begin their plans anew, the Shadow-Mirrors used an experimental technology called System-XN to teleport between Timelines, ending up in the Prime Universe shortly after the end of the Prime Universe's Dominion War.
Just like in their home timeline, the Shadow-Mirrors worked from behind the scenes to perpetuate conflict, secretly supporting the rise of those who also sought war and bloodshed, such as Praetor Shinzon and the True Way. And with the current Federation-Klingon War, the Shadow-Mirrors do their utmost to sabotage any potential peace attempts, striking wherever and killing they need to in order to accomplish their goal of never-ending war.
But now, in the year 2409 in the Prime Universe, the Shadow-Mirrors are about to start going head-to-head with Section 31, and this shadow war has the potential to be extremely violent...
You just asked a really inane question, Cap, but I shall answer.
If I've ever said anything in one post that I want to reference in a post on another page, I will quote the earlier post so that its contents can be viewed more readily.
To topic, Alternate realities...Your alternate self may dance the Cha Cha when you vehemently loath the Cha Cha. *shivers*
Recurring nightmare of yours, Cap?
I'm wondering the same thing. Plus, your example is only a small piece of the possible differences between you and an alternate version of you. Their personality might be the polar opposite of yours. They might be a member of the opposite sex (and perhaps they also have a physical appearance similar to yours). They might be homosexual, while you are straight. And if you ever did meet your alternate counterpart through Dimensional Travel (yours or theirs), you might become interested in each other, If You Know What I Mean.
And even that's barely scratching the surface of all the different possibilities.
A generic prediction of chaotic inflation is an infinite ergodic universe, which, being infinite, must contain Hubble volumes realizing all initial conditions.
Accordingly, an infinite universe will contain an infinite number of Hubble volumes, all having the same physical laws and physical constants. In regard to configurations such as the distribution of matter, almost all will differ from our Hubble volume. However, because there are infinitely many, far beyond the cosmological horizon, there will eventually be Hubble volumes with similar, and even identical, configurations. Tegmark estimates that an identical volume to ours should be about 1010115 meters away from us (a number larger than a googolplex).[4][5] Note that this estimate seems to assume a uniform distribution of Hubble volume states; in reality, any distribution may be true, meaning that our particular Hubble volume may, in fact, be unique.
Is this actually a correct conclusion?
There is an infinite amount of integer numbers. There is also an infinite amount of rational numbers. It can be proven that you can "count" the rational number susing integer numbers, e.g the size of the set of rational numbers is of enumerable infinity.
But - once you add irrational numbers and get to real numbers, you can prove that this is no longer possible. This means the size of the set of real numbers is of inenumerable infinity.
THis means there are two different "values" of infinity, which are commonly referred to as Aleph-0 and Aleph-1.
So while the universe might be of infinite size, it could still be of enumerable size. But the amount of permutations for all universes could still be inenumerable.
I suppose since quantum theory suggests there is always a "smallest quant" that could be used as a unit to measure, we might still be able to enumerate all the possibilities, but I am not sure about that.
Apologies if you think I'm babbling. This is something I remember from one of my brother's science magazines, and it is from memory, so bear with me. I'm also not a scientist, so I'm probably getting it quite wrong.
We have to remember that technically speaking we may be experiencing as many as 10 dimensions, 8 of space and 2 of time.
While it is well known that we are in a 4d world (3 of space and one of time (known as "forward" time)), scientists speculate that there are another 5 dimenions as well as the 2nd or "backward" time dimension. While this in unprovable and speculatory at best, we must remember that we generally only think of what we live in as a 3d world, completely forgetting thaty time is a dimension too.
Anyhoo, scientists speculate the "backwards" time dimension to be incovievable small - less then the width of an average atom - and it's effect is best discribed as a 'miniature loop' which is so small that it has little or no effect upon the world. However, it is thought that by flooding these 'loops' with some sort of neutron or quark would expand them to such a size that they may actually be used to travel backward in time.
The reason for all the extra space dimensions I can't remember, but I think it was something to do with particle density.
Perhaps we should. I currently have my first Foundry Mission in early development, and it starts a story arc dealing with an alternate dimension. And your idea sounds good, too.
Here's the info on the Alternate Universe I came up with for my story arc, a universe I call the Shadow Universe:
So, what do you think? :cool:
I really like the idea, was I not clearer before? Sorry
Glad you liked my idea, I cant wait to play your stuff ^_^
Apologies if you think I'm babbling. This is something I remember from one of my brother's science magazines, and it is from memory, so bear with me. I'm also not a scientist, so I'm probably getting it quite wrong.
We have to remember that technically speaking we may be experiencing as many as 10 dimensions, 8 of space and 2 of time.
While it is well known that we are in a 4d world (3 of space and one of time (known as "forward" time)), scientists speculate that there are another 5 dimenions as well as the 2nd or "backward" time dimension. While this in unprovable and speculatory at best, we must remember that we generally only think of what we live in as a 3d world, completely forgetting thaty time is a dimension too.
Anyhoo, scientists speculate the "backwards" time dimension to be incovievable small - less then the width of an average atom - and it's effect is best discribed as a 'miniature loop' which is so small that it has little or no effect upon the world. However, it is thought that by flooding these 'loops' with some sort of neutron or quark would expand them to such a size that they may actually be used to travel backward in time.
The reason for all the extra space dimensions I can't remember, but I think it was something to do with particle density.
I have to wonder how much of it just deals with our inability to perceive the other dimensions and/or nothing having any crossover with them. What I mean is like say the movie Flatland, when the 3D character is floating "above" the 2D guy, even though he's right there, the 2D guy can't perceive him. So I'm wondering if it's much the same for us and the other five spatial dimensions (or even more of them as I seem to recall some models postulating even more possible dimensions, depending on how you do your math for it).
Also a quote that comes to mind as highly relevant:
"While I fully accept the theorem which posits an infinite number of other Sheldons in an infinite number of alternate realities, I can assure you in none of them am I dancing."
-Sheldon Cooper
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Prime Universe (Universe 1) - Standard universe
Evil Alternate Universe - Everyone is evil and has a goatee
Universe A - Exactly like standard universe, except all coin tosses have been switched around. Heads becomes tails.
Earth 2 Universe - Similar to our universe, but Batman was killed
Terca Luminus Universe - The universe where Yuri Lowell cut the moon in half with his sword
Gensokyo - Crazy place, let's not go there
Good Alternate Universe - Everyone is good and has friendly mutton-chops.
El Federation Universo - Everyone speaks Spanish here instead of English
Lame-verse - Everyone is a lame and boring character
Puny-verse - smallest universe ever, measures only 10 miles across
Universe 63 - Genderswapped universe
Disappearance-verse - The alternate universe created by Yuki Nagato in The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya
Bizarro Universe - Everything is the same but different and bizarro.
I'd prefer not to discuss the possibly of having sex with myself....thanks, Kira.
[edit]Level I: Beyond our cosmological horizon
A generic prediction of chaotic inflation is an infinite ergodic universe, which, being infinite, must contain Hubble volumes realizing all initial conditions.
Accordingly, an infinite universe will contain an infinite number of Hubble volumes, all having the same physical laws and physical constants. In regard to configurations such as the distribution of matter, almost all will differ from our Hubble volume. However, because there are infinitely many, far beyond the cosmological horizon, there will eventually be Hubble volumes with similar, and even identical, configurations. Tegmark estimates that an identical volume to ours should be about 1010115 meters away from us (a number larger than a googolplex).[4][5] Note that this estimate seems to assume a uniform distribution of Hubble volume states; in reality, any distribution may be true, meaning that our particular Hubble volume may, in fact, be unique.
[edit]Level II: Universes with different physical constants
"Bubble universes", every disk is a bubble universe (Universe 1 to Universe 6 are different bubbles, they have physical constants that are different from our universe), our universe is just one of the bubbles.
In the chaotic inflation theory, a variant of the cosmic inflation theory, the multiverse as a whole is stretching and will continue doing so forever, but some regions of space stop stretching and form distinct bubbles, like gas pockets in a loaf of rising bread. Such bubbles are embryonic level I multiverses. Linde and Vanchurin calculated the number of these universes to be on the scale of 101010000000.[6]
Different bubbles may experience different spontaneous symmetry breaking resulting in different properties such as different physical constants.[4]
This level also includes John Archibald Wheeler's oscillatory universe theory and Lee Smolin's fecund universes theory.
Tegmark argues that a level III multiverse does not contain more possibilities in the Hubble volume than a level I-II multiverse. In effect, all the different "worlds" created by "splits" in a level III multiverse with the same physical constants can be found in some Hubble volume in a level I multiverse. Tegmark writes that "The only difference between Level I and Level III is where your doppelg
First off, Zona, I only provided that as an example of what was possible.
Second, I thought I made it clear in this thread that I didn't want people changing my post color to Magenta when they quoted it!!! Starting with this post, anyone who uses that color for my posts will have their post quoted by me in Navy.
Oh, and "TRIBBLE Yourself" in this instance really means "TRIBBLE Your Alternate Universe Counterpart". Even if Sex doesn't get involved, there are some rather interesting scenarios that can play out there (although I would combine it with Rule 63, myself.
The Shadow Universe.
The Shadow Universe runs pretty much parallel to the Prime Universe, with a couple of major twists. First, the Federation of the Shadow-Universe has problems with Mass-Producing Ships that the Federation of the Prime Universe doesn't have. Therefore, the Federation of the Shadow Universe have become masters of retrofitting new technology into existing spaceframes, meaning it isn't that uncommon to find an NX with Shields there, or an Excelsior with the equipment of a Galaxy. Thanks to several wars fought with the Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians, as well as an early arrival of the Borg some 50 years before they appeared in the Prime Timeline, Advanced Weapons like Quantum Torpedoes were also developed sooner in the Shadow Universe than they were in the Prime Universe
Second, the Dominion War happened in the Shadow Universe about 15 Years before it happened in the Prime Universe, with the Cardassians and Klingons on the side of the Federation, and the Romulans on the side of the Dominion. The Federation's victory over the Dominion was much more overwhelming in the Shadow Universe than it was in the Prime Universe.
After the Dominion War, the Shadow Universe faced another threat in the form of a rogue Black Ops unit called the Shadow-Mirrors. Their leader, a former Starfleet Officer named Vindel Mauser, thought that war was the ideal state of the universe, a condition in which technology advances by leaps and bounds, and governmental corruption is statistically low. Thus, he precipitated many conflicts from the shadows, seeking to embroil the galaxy in never-ending war.
However, in 2375, Vindel and his Shadow-Mirrors were defeated by a special Federation Task Force known as the Beowulves. In order to escape destruction and begin their plans anew, the Shadow-Mirrors used an experimental technology called System-XN to teleport between Timelines, ending up in the Prime Universe shortly after the end of the Prime Universe's Dominion War.
Just like in their home timeline, the Shadow-Mirrors worked from behind the scenes to perpetuate conflict, secretly supporting the rise of those who also sought war and bloodshed, such as Praetor Shinzon and the True Way. And with the current Federation-Klingon War, the Shadow-Mirrors do their utmost to sabotage any potential peace attempts, striking wherever and killing they need to in order to accomplish their goal of never-ending war.
But now, in the year 2409 in the Prime Universe, the Shadow-Mirrors are about to start going head-to-head with Section 31, and this shadow war has the potential to be extremely violent...
That's the background of the Shadow Universe and the Shadow-Mirrors, as well as a set up for my Story Arc, the Shadow-Mirror Saga.
So, what do people think of the Shadow Universe and the Shadow-Mirrors?
Hasn't anyone utilized Quantum Mechanics and Dimensional Travelers either in Character Creation or with the Foundry? I know I have a couple of times.
Unless, of course, there's an anime universe out there....:D
Before Foundry was released on Tribble I started a thread in the Foundry Forums about "Anyone got any story-arcs planned?". Multi Reality was a concept I was going to use for a series about the random but VERY frequent uses of the number 47 in Star Trek (Search for 47 in memory-alpha wiki)
47 was a sign of a temporal or otherwise event staged by the Advanced Sciences Division of Starfleet. In 2409 however cults had started to form, entire races begun to worship the number 47. On the way to a First Contact ceremony you receive a distress call from the USS Alexandria, a science vessle commanded by Admiral Hanson on arrival you find the ship to be stuck in the gravity well of a black hole and you must beam to a small section of the ship to rescue the senior staff. When on board you discover the Black Hole is more then it first seems and when "ghosts" of figures from 2147, 2247, 2347 and 2447 are walking the halls it leads you to confront the Admiral shortly before he disappears through the anomoly.
47 was going to be about more then time-travel, I was going to have it cross dimensions, explain who the mysterious "Future Guy" from Enterprise was, explain why Enterprise "looks different" to TOS and try and clarify just what the frak red matter is
Perhaps you and I should set the trend... maybe you and I should get our heads together and write some stuff Kira
Perhaps we should. I currently have my first Foundry Mission in early development, and it starts a story arc dealing with an alternate dimension.
Here's the info on the Alternate Universe I came up with for my story arc, a universe I call the Shadow Universe:
So, what do you think? :cool:
Why do you quote yourself? You asked O.o
To topic, Alternate realities...Your alternate self may dance the Cha Cha when you vehemently loath the Cha Cha. *shivers*
Recurring nightmare of yours, Cap?
*sigh*
You just asked a really inane question, Cap, but I shall answer.
If I've ever said anything in one post that I want to reference in a post on another page, I will quote the earlier post so that its contents can be viewed more readily.
I'm wondering the same thing. Plus, your example is only a small piece of the possible differences between you and an alternate version of you. Their personality might be the polar opposite of yours. They might be a member of the opposite sex (and perhaps they also have a physical appearance similar to yours). They might be homosexual, while you are straight. And if you ever did meet your alternate counterpart through Dimensional Travel (yours or theirs), you might become interested in each other, If You Know What I Mean.
And even that's barely scratching the surface of all the different possibilities.
Otherwise, we'd do it and feel dirty about it afterward.
Alternate universes are overdone, excepting series that are based on them (Sliders, for example).
There is an infinite amount of integer numbers. There is also an infinite amount of rational numbers. It can be proven that you can "count" the rational number susing integer numbers, e.g the size of the set of rational numbers is of enumerable infinity.
But - once you add irrational numbers and get to real numbers, you can prove that this is no longer possible. This means the size of the set of real numbers is of inenumerable infinity.
THis means there are two different "values" of infinity, which are commonly referred to as Aleph-0 and Aleph-1.
So while the universe might be of infinite size, it could still be of enumerable size. But the amount of permutations for all universes could still be inenumerable.
I suppose since quantum theory suggests there is always a "smallest quant" that could be used as a unit to measure, we might still be able to enumerate all the possibilities, but I am not sure about that.
We have to remember that technically speaking we may be experiencing as many as 10 dimensions, 8 of space and 2 of time.
While it is well known that we are in a 4d world (3 of space and one of time (known as "forward" time)), scientists speculate that there are another 5 dimenions as well as the 2nd or "backward" time dimension. While this in unprovable and speculatory at best, we must remember that we generally only think of what we live in as a 3d world, completely forgetting thaty time is a dimension too.
Anyhoo, scientists speculate the "backwards" time dimension to be incovievable small - less then the width of an average atom - and it's effect is best discribed as a 'miniature loop' which is so small that it has little or no effect upon the world. However, it is thought that by flooding these 'loops' with some sort of neutron or quark would expand them to such a size that they may actually be used to travel backward in time.
The reason for all the extra space dimensions I can't remember, but I think it was something to do with particle density.
As long as the multiverse is infinite then nothing can be absolute, so dont worry about it, just enjoy life and forget about the rest.
I really like the idea, was I not clearer before? Sorry
Glad you liked my idea, I cant wait to play your stuff ^_^
Glad to hear it.
I look forward to getting the Shadow-Mirror Saga up and running, and I hope you can get your stuff going soon, as well.
"While I fully accept the theorem which posits an infinite number of other Sheldons in an infinite number of alternate realities, I can assure you in none of them am I dancing."
-Sheldon Cooper
Not his fault, its beyond him. Speaking off 3D, has anybody seen a 3d TV? Annoying layers of 2d images give anybody else a roaring headache?