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New York gets the Enterprise!

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited April 2011 in Ten Forward
Just saw the news on CNN, The Intrepid Air Space Museum got awarded the shuttle Enterprise.:):)
Looks like I'll be making a trip down there the day it opens to the public.
I haven't been there in about six years.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Oh? So they are moving the Enterprise from the Smithonian in Virginia?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Yeah. Enterprise will leave here to go up there to Yankeeland... I mean New York and We here in Virginia will get Discovery in Enterprise's place
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I've not seen the announcement, but the prevailing theory was that the Smithsonian would get Discovery, and Enterprise would go elsewhere.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Discovery going to the Smithsonian was announced a little after Discovery's last mission. It's just the final location of all the other shuttles was to be announced today.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Discovery to Smithsonian, Endeavour to California & Enterprise to NYC, Atlantis to Florida

    Makes sense. Why leave the Enterprise where it is when they can spend thousands of tax dollars moving them around, just so they can drive up traffic to the Smithsonian again :)

    The locations make sense. Though lots of cities are already crying.

    Here locally, Tulsa's Air and Space Museum was just certain there were going to get a shuttle, they had plans to build a giant glass bubble for it to stand vertically. They feel they really deserved the enterprise because the 747 ferrying it home after its test flight landed at Tulsa International in 1979 and 10,000 people came to see it.

    Meanwhile the Tulsa Public school system is having to close like 10 "underperforming" schools to meet its budget.

    :facepalm:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I would imagine that the Smithsonian was more interested in having a shuttle that actually went on space missions, instead of the Enterprise test shuttle that was never made space worthy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Here locally, Tulsa's Air and Space Museum was just certain there were going to get a shuttle, they had plans to build a giant glass bubble for it to stand vertically. They feel they really deserved the enterprise because the 747 ferrying it home after its test flight landed at Tulsa International in 1979 and 10,000 people came to see it.

    :facepalm:

    First time I saw Enterprise was on the back of the SCA in the late 70's at the Atlanta Airport. They had to stop there because of storms in Florida. My parents still have the picture somewhere. I think that's probably where I was bitten by the flight bug.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Woohoo! Huntsville's Space and Rocket Center gets some left over engine parts! We rockin' now! :rolleyes:

    Though, in all fairness, we have the shuttle Pathfinder, so whatever.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Enterprise moving to New York? It's all falling into place...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    WishStone wrote:
    Oh? So they are moving the Enterprise from the Smithonian in Virginia?

    NASA announced that Udvar-Hazy was getting the Discovery a long, long time ago. There were pad techs going over Enterprise over the summer making sure she's still structurally sound for a 747 flight, and they were chatty with the museum patrons. Fun times.

    Good to hear NYC's getting an Enterprise, considering the travesty regarding CV-6's preservation efforts.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    CapnBludd wrote: »

    The Interpid, huh? Still have to wonder where they're going to put that baby; there can't be that much room left on that aircraft carrier. Still, kinda sad the Air & Space Annex is losing the Enterprise, though, as one poster put it, the Smithsonian may be more interested in a space shuttle that actually went into space than the test version (although why they wouldn't want the prototype is beyond me). Still, it may be a couple years before the Discovery replaces Enterprise, especially since the former (and her sisters) have to be decontaminated first.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Archanubis wrote:
    Still have to wonder where they're going to put that baby; there can't be that much room left on that aircraft carrier.

    Indeed, there isn't much left. But, there are a ton of comparably irrelevant aircraft on the deck that can be moved. What will probably happen is clearing the internal hanger and keeping it within the ship.

    I doubt they'll move the SR-71 for it. Intrepid and Blackbird are just too symbolic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Texas has a Republican governor who has repeatedly said he wants nothing from Washington...so no shuttle for Houston. :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Washington didnt get one, I was really looking forward to that being in my backyard
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I;m completely baffled on why the Johnson Space Center in Houston didn't get one (They don't even get to keep the full scale trainer they already have there). That place was the center of operations while the Shuttle was in service.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Edit: Nevermind
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Hey, I'll take whatever shuttle I can get here in VA! I've been to the Udvar-Hazy Annex quite a few times since they opened it (and the Air & Space Museum in downtown DC a billion times), and I still love going there. I will be happy to see Discovery there, though I always did like Enterprise, for obvious reasons :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    CapnBludd wrote: »
    Just saw the news on CNN, The Intrepid Air Space Museum got awarded the shuttle Enterprise.:):)
    Looks like I'll be making a trip down there the day it opens to the public.
    I haven't been there in about six years.

    Yay would so see that, hmm wait a min...where is the room to even fit the Enterprise :confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Actually, you guys are wrong about Discovery. here was news about Discovery that was announced yesterday. they said Discovery would be coming to Museum of Flight in Seattle. where Discovery Belongs now. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    If I ever visit the US I now have a list of places on my must see list :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    superlink1 wrote: »
    Actually, you guys are wrong about Discovery. here was news about Discovery that was announced yesterday. they said Discovery would be coming to Museum of Flight in Seattle. where Discovery Belongs now. :D

    Link or it didn't happen. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    mizarone wrote: »
    I;m completely baffled on why the Johnson Space Center in Houston didn't get one (They don't even get to keep the full scale trainer they already have there). That place was the center of operations while the Shuttle was in service.

    Some people have said it was a political move because of things the governor said, which is unlikely because leaks over the last few years suggest that three of the shuttles were spoken for before he said those things.

    Others because the city hasn't taken good enough care of the large exhibits that are already there, which is also pretty far fetched because they're not the only city that's had to expensively restore large rockets, and even at their worst they were still in a lot better shape than the Redstone we've got rusting away in a farm field up here in Michigan.

    What's more likely, IMO, is that when the city itself finally started campaigning for one last year, they were a couple years too late for plans to be changed. Remember the shuttle program's been on borrowed time for over a decade, plans didn't just materialize in the last six months to lay the fleet to rest. This has been going on for years.

    Edit: Another factor was the amount pledged. Many of the cities that were passed over were passed over because their bids were lower than the $28.8 million required to even get your proposal looked at, since that's how much preparing and shipping Enterprise would cost. The bids weren't all made public, but Seattle's bid was the third highest and didn't even cover half the expenses. Consolation prizes to the other 18 bidders were based on the amount bid, Houston getting two flight chairs and a computer screen probably speaks to where their bid landed in the list, seeing as bids as low as $8 million got simulator and crew modules.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Let's go with the official NASA article. :D

    Shuttle Enterprise, the first orbiter built, will move from the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Virginia to the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum in New York.

    The Udvar-Hazy Center will become the new home for shuttle Discovery, which retired after completing its 39th mission in March.

    Shuttle Endeavour, which is preparing for its final flight at the end of the month will go to the California Science Center in Los Angeles.

    Shuttle Atlantis, which will fly the last planned shuttle mission in June, will be displayed at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor’s Complex in Florida.


    NASA also announced that hundreds of shuttle artifacts have been allocated to museums and education institutions.

    Various shuttle simulators for the Adler Planetarium in Chicago, the Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum of McMinnville, Ore., and Texas A&M's Aerospace Engineering Department

    Full fuselage trainer for the Museum of Flight in Seattle

    Nose cap assembly and crew compartment trainer for the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio

    Flight deck pilot and commander seats for NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston

    Orbital maneuvering system engines for the U.S. Space and Rocket Center of Huntsville, Ala., National Air and Space Museum in Washington, and Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Archanubis wrote:
    Link or it didn't happen. ;)

    damn. it almost happened.
    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/119700974.html#idc-container
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    hevach wrote: »
    Edit: Another factor was the amount pledged. Many of the cities that were passed over were passed over because their bids were lower than the $28.8 million required to even get your proposal looked at, since that's how much preparing and shipping Enterprise would cost. The bids weren't all made public, but Seattle's bid was the third highest and didn't even cover half the expenses. Consolation prizes to the other 18 bidders were based on the amount bid, Houston getting two flight chairs and a computer screen probably speaks to where their bid landed in the list, seeing as bids as low as $8 million got simulator and crew modules.

    It's also possible the Smithsonian got the Discovery because they already have a facility ready and waiting to go for her - after, you know, housing the Enterprise there for the past 5(?) years...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    When the day comes that Discovery arrives and gets rolled into her spot at teh Udvar-Hazy Museum, I will defintely be taking that day off, and showing up at the gate early in the morning to get a good spot to watch. As for Enterprise, I would imagine they'll do with her like they did with their Concorde up there, put it on a barge next to the Intrepid, or acros the Pier fro her. I don't see them craning a shuttle to the flight deck.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    When the day comes that Discovery arrives and gets rolled into her spot at teh Udvar-Hazy Museum, I will defintely be taking that day off, and showing up at the gate early in the morning to get a good spot to watch. As for Enterprise, I would imagine they'll do with her like they did with their Concorde up there, put it on a barge next to the Intrepid, or acros the Pier fro her. I don't see them craning a shuttle to the flight deck.

    I can't imagine there's much room on the deck for that shuttle, and it's definately too big to put in the Intrepid's hangar...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I would rather they have her somewhere protect from the elements. NYC air and weather can't be good for the outer surfaces of anything displayed there.
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