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I want the Phoenix to be a Tier 6 ship.

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edited March 2011 in Ten Forward
That's right you read it correctly I want Cochranes Phoenix to be Tier 6. I want 2 CMDR BO slots for each Dept. I want it to come standard with all the Borg gear. Mark 11 purple weapons. 5 weapons slots fore and aft. Also 5 console slots for each dept. I also want it to have hull that a Borg Tactical Cube couldn't dent.

It also better have the animation where it seperates from the rocket with the nacelles deploying out to the sides.

I mean surely this is as reasonable as getting a tier 5 Constitution Class right? I mean the Phoenix is only 500 years old there's no reason it still can't be used?

While we're at it add in A.G Robinsons test ship from Enterprise with the same specs. Thanks Cryptic :)
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Lukas2409 wrote:
    That's right you read it correctly I want Cochranes Phoenix to be Tier 6. I want 2 CMDR BO slots for each Dept. I want it to come standard with all the Borg gear. Mark 11 purple weapons. 5 weapons slots fore and aft. Also 5 console slots for each dept. I also want it to have hull that a Borg Tactical Cube couldn't dent.

    It also better have the animation where it seperates from the rocket with the nacelles deploying out to the sides.

    I mean surely this is as reasonable as getting a tier 5 Constitution Class right? I mean the Phoenix is only 500 years old there's no reason it still can't be used?

    While we're at it add in A.G Robinsons test ship from Enterprise with the same specs. Thanks Cryptic :)

    (FACEPALM) All I can say is....wow. :confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Is this a ragepost of a joke...? I cant get my head around it...

    Ever heard of constructive critisism? Because this sure isn't.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    It's a joke. A player just cannot get his head around the fact that canon destroys fun and fun destroys canon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Lukas2409 wrote:
    I mean surely this is as reasonable as getting a tier 5 Constitution Class right?

    no, its not.

    but thanks for playing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Whoa whoa, just slow down.

    That gear is a little much, I'm all for the rest :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Can it have a special ability to summon a Vulcan science ship?

    Joking aside I would really like to see this ship in game as a vanity shuttle :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    If you get a T6 Phoenix I want a T6 Space Shuttle. After all the space shuttle actually exists.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    HerbieZ wrote: »
    It's a joke. A player just cannot get his head around the fact that canon destroys fun and fun destroys canon.

    Except for many of us Canon is fun and fun destroying canon destroys our fun. :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    What about the Apollo 11?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:5927_NASA.jpg
    I WANT THAT as Tier 5 Ship. lol :D

    Seriously, this whole "i want this as a T5 ship" is getting rediculus and annoying.
    Some ships just aren't supposed to play in the first league anymore.

    Thank you for reading.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Can it have a special ability to summon a Vulcan science ship?

    Joking aside I would really like to see this ship in game as a vanity shuttle :D

    Signed/supported/agreed. 700-day Vet reward maybe?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Heh, hilarious.

    The Phoenix as a vanity shuttle is a good idea, though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Lukas2409 wrote:
    That's right you read it correctly I want Cochranes Phoenix to be Tier 6. I want 2 CMDR BO slots for each Dept. I want it to come standard with all the Borg gear. Mark 11 purple weapons. 5 weapons slots fore and aft. Also 5 console slots for each dept. I also want it to have hull that a Borg Tactical Cube couldn't dent.

    It also better have the animation where it seperates from the rocket with the nacelles deploying out to the sides.

    I mean surely this is as reasonable as getting a tier 5 Constitution Class right? I mean the Phoenix is only 500 years old there's no reason it still can't be used?

    While we're at it add in A.G Robinsons test ship from Enterprise with the same specs. Thanks Cryptic :)


    I would say yes to this. But the highlighted area would make it too OP for PvP.

    And we all know that that's the only thing that matters.

    ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    Except for many of us Canon is fun and fun destroying canon destroys our fun. :p

    The box office for Nemesis compared to the box office for Star Trek (2009) makes me wonder about that.
    Geoduck360 wrote:
    I would say yes to this. But the highlighted area would make it too OP for PvP.

    And we all know that that's the only thing that matters.

    ;)

    True.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The box office for Nemesis compared to the box office for Star Trek (2009) makes me wonder about that.


    I think that movie raises more questions about the validity of canon after 40+ years of Star Trek. I mean, you have series that were made before effects were any good, before standards were set as to things such as warp drive and not mention just changes in how the writers wanted to proceed.

    In a very big way, I'm glad the movie came out to revitalize the Kirk era of Star Trek and make it more real again. Besides, by the end of VOY and ENT, I was kind of wondering where Star Trek would go in terms of technology. Would we just have Time Trek or something silly like that? With a revitalization of TOS we can re-do that era to look more modern and take a cue from the show and do modern satire of political drama making it entirely relevant in today's modern world.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    It's a pity that the only real rebuttal some people have is to claim that those that want their favourite ship be raised up a little, are automatically making an unreasonable demand because the naysayer makes a truly ridiculous demand and claims it's the same thing.

    I seem to recall something important from back in highschool when learning how to debate, something about men made of... straw? Does anyone know what that's all about??
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Because there is NO WAY that this cannot be construed as inflammatory! FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    OP - I hate to burst your bubble but the ship graphical area interface only supports a max of 4 weapons slots, 4 device slots or 4 console slots...we just can't do 5. :(

    Otherwise, lets go for it! :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    It's a pity that the only real rebuttal some people have is to claim that those that want their favourite ship be raised up a little, are automatically making an unreasonable demand because the naysayer makes a truly ridiculous demand and claims it's the same thing.

    I seem to recall something important from back in highschool when learning how to debate, something about men made of... straw? Does anyone know what that's all about??

    Men made of straw?

    I prefer men made of wicker.


    They provide both heat and entertainment.

    :eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Lukas2409 wrote:
    That's right you read it correctly I want Cochranes Phoenix to be Tier 6. I want 2 CMDR BO slots for each Dept. I want it to come standard with all the Borg gear. Mark 11 purple weapons. 5 weapons slots fore and aft. Also 5 console slots for each dept. I also want it to have hull that a Borg Tactical Cube couldn't dent.

    It also better have the animation where it seperates from the rocket with the nacelles deploying out to the sides.

    I mean surely this is as reasonable as getting a tier 5 Constitution Class right? I mean the Phoenix is only 500 years old there's no reason it still can't be used?

    While we're at it add in A.G Robinsons test ship from Enterprise with the same specs. Thanks Cryptic :)

    I totally agree with you. If the T5 Connie is added, it will open the door to this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I totally agree with you. If the T5 Connie is added, it will open the door to this.

    Get REAL! The Phoenix was an unarmed experimental ship... ;P

    The Connie was and is armed... ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I totally agree with you. If the T5 Connie is added, it will open the door to this.

    Except it won't.

    Relaxing the "rules" to make an MMO is not the same as throwing them out the window.

    Furthermore, what most pro-t5 connie people are asking for is a ship, with strengths and limitations, that can function at t5, which is beleivable as either a refit or better yet, a new replica ship created with 25th century tech. What is not being asked for (in reasonable discussions at least) is a super OP connie that can shoot a Sovereign out of the stars in a single volley.

    If they release a t5 connie and you don't like it, don't use it, doesn't hurt you at all.

    And before anyone says I'm just coming up with excuses because I want this ship myself, I don't, I just can't think of a decent reason that why, in a game of all things, it can't be done for those that do.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Except it won't.

    Relaxing the "rules" to make an MMO is not the same as throwing them out the window.

    Furthermore, what most pro-t5 connie people are asking for is a ship, with strengths and limitations, that can function at t5, which is beleivable as either a refit or better yet, a new replica ship created with 25th century tech. What is not being asked for (in reasonable discussions at least) is a super OP connie that can shoot a Sovereign out of the stars in a single volley.

    If they release a t5 connie and you don't like it, don't use it, doesn't hurt you at all.

    And before anyone says I'm just coming up with excuses because I want this ship myself, I don't, I just can't think of a decent reason that why, in a game of all things, it can't be done for those that do.

    what he said
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    And before anyone says I'm just coming up with excuses because I want this ship myself, I don't, I just can't think of a decent reason that why, in a game of all things, it can't be done for those that do.

    Because it contradicts the established setting of the game in no more or less a way than tossing in a Phoenix or a Space Shuttle or an ancient wooden sailing ship would. The reason using those as examples is such an effective argument is not so much the slippery slope but how clearly it gets people to the same feeling others have about the T1 ships being in T5. If I say to you "T5 HMS Enterprize" and you say to me "that's just absurd", then I can say "now you know how I feel when you bring up T5 Connie."

    That it is in the game at all is already a compromise between the given setting and the desire of people to play with toys. There's nothing stopping anyone from flying the ship throughout the game as it is if they're willing to put up with the severe increase in difficulty.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    LotD wrote:
    Because it contradicts the established setting of the game in no more or less a way than tossing in a Phoenix or a Space Shuttle or an ancient wooden sailing ship would. The reason using those as examples is such an effective argument is not so much the slippery slope but how clearly it gets people to the same feeling others have about the T1 ships being in T5. If I say to you "T5 HMS Enterprize" and you say to me "that's just absurd", then I can say "now you know how I feel when you bring up T5 Connie."

    That it is in the game at all is already a compromise between the given setting and the desire of people to play with toys. There's nothing stopping anyone from flying the ship throughout the game as it is if they're willing to put up with the severe increase in difficulty.

    So we remove all the uniform choices, 23rd century phasers, the NX t1 ship etc etc?

    As I just said, most people are asking for a ship, whether its explained away as a refit or new replica, that has beleivable limitations based on its size and so on, that just looks like their favourite ship.

    Your HMS Enterprise example doesn't make a reasonable point. You may feel it is Just as absurd as a tier 5 connie but it is so far beyond it that it invalidates your point, even if you feel it is the same. If it is released with 4 fore and aft weapon slots, 1000 crew and a special power that makes it outclass any t5 cruiser then yes it is absurd. As this debate goes on, you'll see thats not generally whats being asked for.

    You need more than your feelings to make a point, that is why there are threads popping up disuccing reasonable ideas and compromises for a tier 5 connie and less shouting "I want t5 connie same as sovereign NOW!".

    There is an established setting for the game, thats why the pro-t5-connie folks are discussing explanations and compromise and properly limited and explained, it won't contradict the already malleable established setting too much. And really, what does it hurt you if they get it?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    As a side note, the HMS enterprise was never a part of Star Trek. The Constitution class is.

    If you want to include the Pheonix though, that' should probably be a shuttle as nobody has made the case for a runabout to be an official Starfleet ship at tier 5
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    LotD wrote:
    Because it contradicts the established setting of the game in no more or less a way than tossing in a Phoenix or a Space Shuttle or an ancient wooden sailing ship would. The reason using those as examples is such an effective argument is not so much the slippery slope but how clearly it gets people to the same feeling others have about the T1 ships being in T5. If I say to you "T5 HMS Enterprize" and you say to me "that's just absurd", then I can say "now you know how I feel when you bring up T5 Connie."

    That it is in the game at all is already a compromise between the given setting and the desire of people to play with toys. There's nothing stopping anyone from flying the ship throughout the game as it is if they're willing to put up with the severe increase in difficulty.

    Would that be the same "contradiction of setting" that all the different uniform choices and a Vulcan ship from Enterprise already has done? :)

    Again, not a Tier 1 ship "raised" to Tier 5.

    A New Tier 5 ship that resembles the Tier 1 ship.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Ugh Why are we having these arguments again? I thought they died out months ago?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    So we remove all the uniform choices, 23rd century phasers, the NX t1 ship etc etc? As I just said, most people are asking for a ship, whether its explained away as a refit or new replica, that has beleivable limitations based on its size and so on, that just looks like their favourite ship.

    Well, in my personal opinion, they should not be available at all outside some kind of holodeck/time travel thing, but what's done is done. It's difficult to take away what already exists. This is a situation wherein we have the option to prevent something from being done that is just plain silly.
    Your HMS Enterprise example doesn't make a reasonable point. You may feel it is Just as absurd as a tier 5 connie but it is so far beyond it that it invalidates your point, even if you feel it is the same. If it is released with 4 fore and aft weapon slots, 1000 crew and a special power that makes it outclass any t5 cruiser then yes it is absurd. As this debate goes on, you'll see thats not generally whats being asked for.

    Why? It's just a new ship made to look like an HMS Enterprize. The arguments for the T5 Connie assume that ship structure and size is irrelevant to its abilities. If that is so, then I can have one that looks like an 18th century sailing vessel or a space shuttle or the Phoenix.
    You need more than your feelings to make a point, that is why there are threads popping up disuccing reasonable ideas and compromises for a tier 5 connie and less shouting "I want t5 connie same as sovereign NOW!".

    There is an established setting for the game, thats why the pro-t5-connie folks are discussing explanations and compromise and properly limited and explained, it won't contradict the already malleable established setting too much. And really, what does it hurt you if they get it?

    Oh plenty have arguments have been made beyond simple feelings, but you were all talking about this specific one.

    And as far as the already malleable setting, why would we want to make it even more malleable? It already has major things working against it like the tiny boxes of space or Starfleet slaughtering every ship it sees and captains in bikinis etc. ad nauseum. The T1 ship is already the compromise, limited and explained, do we need to continue to push that line for no other reason than people want to fly every ship and have them all be equally powerful at the end? Why even bother having different types of ship at all at that point? Let's just make them all skins on the same exact base.
    dorko1 wrote: »
    As a side note, the HMS enterprise was never a part of Star Trek. The Constitution class is.

    If you want to include the Pheonix though, that' should probably be a shuttle as nobody has made the case for a runabout to be an official Starfleet ship at tier 5

    Go watch Star Trek: Generations again.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Aris wrote:
    Ugh Why are we having these arguments again? I thought they died out months ago?

    It's most likely going to be this kind of war of attrition up until refits are put into the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    If you look at the Star Trek encyclopedia and see the size of The Phoenix compared to
    other ships it would look very very small compared to other ST ships.

    My father had a saying when I was growing up, "WANT in one hand TRIBBLE in the other, see which
    fills up first". :D
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