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edited March 2011 in Ten Forward
are the Borg freedom fighters?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    In the mirror universe ship flies u
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Considering how the mirror universe Klingons, Bajorans, and Cardassians appeared in DS9, I don't think that's the particular trait they'd chose to flip.

    This is my theory: They're still robozombies from space, but they're inefficient, disorganized, and generally without any higher guiding intellect. Instead of systematically assimilating the galaxy, they rampage through it, converting what they don't destroy. The net result might be more terrifying to face head on, but overall would be less of a threat.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I don't think they are cyborgs at all in the mirror universe. I think they only started that collective as a means to control the population of the planet they came from. In the mirror universe, they are more Federation-like, IMHO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The mirror universe is a product of a different course of events, and the Borg are so far removed from those events they are probably just like they are in the normal universe.

    No Starfleet = No Q to send the Enterprise to the Delta Quadrant to meet the borg.

    No meeting = No awareness of Earth or Humans

    No awareness of existence = No Wolf 359.


    In fact, if you go by Soft canon, Wolf 359 in the mirror universe was when the Alliance destroyed the Terran Empire's defence fleet and subsequently toasted Earth.


    Anything that is different through the looking glass is largely the result of a different evolution of events, canon wise, starting when Zefram Cochrane decided to shoot the Vulcans in April 2063.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Koppenflak wrote:
    The mirror universe is a product of a different course of events, and the Borg are so far removed from those events they are probably just like they are in the normal universe.

    No Starfleet = No Q to send the Enterprise to the Delta Quadrant to meet the borg.

    No meeting = No awareness of Earth or Humans

    No awareness of existence = No Wolf 359.


    In fact, if you go by Soft canon, Wolf 359 in the mirror universe was when the Alliance destroyed the Terran Empire's defence fleet and subsequently toasted Earth.


    Anything that is different through the looking glass is largely the result of a different evolution of events, canon wise, starting when Zefram Cochrane decided to shoot the Vulcans in April 2063.

    But who's to say the Borg even formed as they do in the mirror universe? The one event that led to formation of the Borg could have never happened. So why would they be the collective they are in this universe?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Depending on what explanation you want, it's also possible that the Borg were driven to extinction in the 2370s by the Undine. After all, no Federation means no Voyager, which means no anti-Undine nanoprobes, which means big ol' piles of bloody drone parts and lots of charred planets.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    it doesnt work like that guys, who says the Q in the mirror universe isnt fond of his ship filled with gangs that fight each other... its the Mirror Q .... he's prob still a big fan of mirror picard n his ship... Voyager might have just sit back n watched the undine fight the borg while they make their nanoprobe weapons, wait for the borg to be pwned, n then pwned the undine themselves, prob laughing their asses off as they fired the biggest nanite torpedoes they could find at em ....

    so basicly, in the mirror universe ... shrug ! possibilities are endless ...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I remember somewhere reading that the Terran Empire learned of the Borg and defeated them. I almost want to say it was mentoned somewhere in the William Shatner Mirror Universe Trilogy but I could be wrong.:o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I believe some short story collection set in the mirror Universe used a Borg King, but they only made a slight mention.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I believe some short story collection set in the mirror Universe used a Borg King, but they only made a slight mention.

    My theory is the Borg used to be normal. But then their central government made them all install basic implants so they could maintain the peace on the planet by forcing people what to think (think propaganda on steroids). But then the queen took over used the technology to completely control everyone. And the Borg are born from there....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The Borg end goal would remain the same in whatever universe, perfection. As such their methods might be a bit different but they would be overall the same. The primary difference would probably be a tendency to Assimilate though political and monetary avenues rather than by force.

    Of course, this is all just conjecture. They might have never existed in the Mirror Universe because of a disorganized beginning that caused them to become complacent and stagnate on the planet on which it all began.
    "We are the Bored. What do we do now?"


    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Koppenflak wrote:
    Anything that is different through the looking glass is largely the result of a different evolution of events, canon wise, starting when Zefram Cochrane decided to shoot the Vulcans in April 2063.

    All the history before that shows the people of Earth to be a generally darker race (like the Empire flag planting on the Moon). It was as much nature as anything else that motivated Cochrane to shoot the Vulcans. The thing we know for sure is that humans were fundamentally darker, which led to the evolution of events you speak of.

    What isn't clear, however, is whether the rest of the universe had a similar difference in nature. You made a valid point that everything we saw on screen in FED/Terran territory evolved from Cochrane shooting the Vulcans, pilfering their technology, and conquering Vulcan itself. However, since that was a result of a darker human nature (hence the term mirror universe), it is logical to assume other races might also have a fundamentally different nature independent of Terran influence.

    It's hard to figure what the Borg would be since human nature has very little to do with their makeup. I suppose if we're just going topsy turvy, they would be highly evolved pure machines that avoid organic beings at all costs. They don't "taint" themselves with organic parts and their biological distinctiveness... might make for some interesting characters.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i guess it depends on where the mirror universe split from ours and what the cause was. if the borg were unaffected by the split then they should still be the borg that we know.

    then again much of the mirror universe does not make much sense so i would not be surprised if they were a force for good and freedom.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    why do people still not get that the mirror universe is more of an inversion of the personalities of mainly Humans?

    Mirror Universe =/= Bizaro world.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Yeah, and Vic Fontain is flesh-and-blood... Why?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Summit wrote: »
    In the mirror universe ship flies u

    Thats it. Enough is enough.

    *Builds a time machine. Goes back in time to 1986 and shoots Yakov Smirnoff.*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    DCWilliams wrote:
    Yeah, and Vic Fontain is flesh-and-blood... Why?

    Because the hologram was based on a real person who we never met in the Prime Universe, someone who was obviously a Sinatra singer who had a fan in the hologram programmer. I mean, what other conclusion is there?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Thats it. Enough is enough.

    *Builds a time machine. Goes back in time to 1986 and shoots Yakov Smirnoff.*

    :D

    /10char
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    My theory is the Borg used to be normal. But then their central government made them all install basic implants so they could maintain the peace on the planet by forcing people what to think (think propaganda on steroids). But then the queen took over used the technology to completely control everyone. And the Borg are born from there....

    This is the most reasonable explanation I've come across.

    I must admit that I wonder if my Mirror Universe self would be charismatic, influential person who doesn't lose his keys. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    But the Mirror Borg all have Goatees! :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Koppenflak wrote:
    Anything that is different through the looking glass is largely the result of a different evolution of events, canon wise, starting when Zefram Cochrane decided to shoot the Vulcans in April 2063.

    But, regarding canon, if you take into consideration the mirror universe episodes of ST:Enterprise (namely the beginning credits), the divergence happened well before that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    But, regarding canon, if you take into consideration the mirror universe episodes of ST:Enterprise (namely the beginning credits), the divergence happened well before that.

    it happened in 1994, canon-wise
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    But the Mirror Borg all have Goatees! :)
    *Ravenstein hits with frying pan*

    Silly Winters. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    are the Borg freedom fighters?

    No, But the Romulans are.
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