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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    jam062307 wrote: »
    Here is a canon picture of the USS Voyager during the series when it was upgraded with borg components. So I guess borg parts on ship is canon.

    Let me guess....you don't count that episode as canon? Just like the game being based off of "path to 2409" as not canon. So then the game is technically not canon and should not be judged as such. Therefore there should never again be a canon vs not canon argument for this game.

    They were stranded in a another sector trying to get home. She broke protocol ever time the chance came up. They didn't say Janway modified her ship so everyone in Star Fleet can too.

    That's very different situation than "hey, look at my shinnies". Clearly that ship wasn't regulation and it was probably disassembled. Or at the very lest the Borg parts were removed and reverse engineered. They didn't start sticking that TRIBBLE on all the ships.

    No the Path to 2409 is goofy. I don't like anything I heard that was in that book.

    I really don't care about modifications, names and uniforms. I support a options to disable them so players don't have to look at them if they don't want too.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Englebert wrote:
    They were stranded in a another sector trying to get home. She broke protocol ever time the chance came up. They didn't say Janway modified her ship so everyone in Star Fleet can too.

    That's very different situation than "hey, look at my shinnies". Clearly that ship wasn't regulation and it was probably disassembled. Or at the very lest the Borg parts were removed and reverse engineered. They didn't start sticking that TRIBBLE on all the ships.

    No the Path to 2409 is goofy. I really don't care about modifications, names and uniforms. I support a options to disable them so players don't have to look at them if they don't want too. I don't like anything I heard that was in that book.

    They didn't say you couldn't modify your ship either. You said this stuff wasn't canon, I retorted that it was and showed you the example. If you need further help I ask you two questions. How do you get the borg gear? How to you get the aegis gear?

    The borg gear you get as a mission reward. So then who gives you that reward? Oh Captain D'vat. A star fleet captain gives you a reward that alters te appearance of your ship. Sounds like Star Fleet allows it to me.

    The aegis gear you craft at a star fleet outpost. So a star fleet outpost allows you to make gear that changes your ship. That too sounds like they allow it to me.

    Now if this was against your canon star fleet regulations, would they be giving this to you, or allow you to make it at their facilities? i think not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    nixboox wrote: »
    In other words, yes, you do misunderstand. Glad we cleared that up. :rolleyes:
    In other words, NO, I did not, and while we're at it, understand that you have nothing substancial to say about what I do or do not understand. Glad we cleared that up. Try playing the game instead of fixating on others, what they are doing and how they look.

    :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Englebert wrote:
    They were stranded in a another sector trying to get home. She broke protocol ever time the chance came up. They didn't say Janway modified her ship so everyone in Star Fleet can too.

    That's very different situation than "hey, look at my shinnies". Clearly that ship wasn't regulation and it was probably disassembled. Or at the very lest the Borg parts were removed and reverse engineered. They didn't start sticking that TRIBBLE on all the ships.

    No the Path to 2409 is goofy. I don't like anything I heard that was in that book.

    I really don't care about modifications, names and uniforms. I support a options to disable them so players don't have to look at them if they don't want too.

    People also tend to gloss over the fact that these exterior modifications were kinda forced on the voyager crew and then later were removed. (sans some power EPS regulator tachyon whatever that is not seen on screen)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    In other words, NO, I did not, and while we're at it, understand that you have nothing substancial to say about what I do or do not understand. Glad we cleared that up. Try playing the game instead of fixating on others, what they are doing and how they look.

    Right, you're still misunderstanding everything that so far has been said. Thank you for participating.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    You don't like how the defense customs make ships look because you consider it "un-fed."

    Same response applies. If you're fixating on others, what they are doing and how they look, then yeah, anyone will find a way to cry about the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    jam062307 wrote: »
    They didn't say you couldn't modify your ship either. You said this stuff wasn't canon, I retorted that it was and showed you the example. If you need further help I ask you two questions. How do you get the borg gear? How to you get the aegis gear?

    Because Janeway modified her ship doesn't means that all of Star Fleet was doing it. When ever they feel like it. I don't remember them hanging glowing TRIBBLE off the Enterprises or the Defiant.

    Her ship was stranded. That ship was nearly destroyed I don't know how many times they had to do make shift repairs. Not report to a Star Fleet repair dock. A very different situation.


    I wont answer the two questions since you did in your post.


    The borg gear you get as a mission reward. So then who gives you that reward? Oh Captain D'vat. A star fleet captain gives you a reward that alters te appearance of your ship. Sounds like Star Fleet allows it to me.

    The Borg gear Janewy got wasn't from Captain D'vat. Sounds Like hes running some kind of black market scheme. All that gear he has there shouldn't be any Borg left.

    The aegis gear you craft at a star fleet outpost. So a star fleet outpost allows you to make gear that changes your ship. That too sounds like they allow it to me.

    Janeway didn't pull into memory alpha and craft. After the other ships pulled into space docks on the for repairs. They didn't hang glowing shinnies on them.

    Now if this was against your canon star fleet regulations, would they be giving this to you, or allow you to make it at their facilities? i think not.

    This facility was created to give players something else to do in the game. It's not a real part of Star Fleet. There is no star fleet. Quest givers in a video game and TV shows and movies are different things. Because it happens in a game doesn't mean it had to happen on the shows and movies.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    You don't like how the defense customs make ships look because you consider it "un-fed."

    Same response applies. If you're fixating on others, what they are doing and how they look, then yeah, anyone will find a way to cry about the game.

    Because...as you will have no doubt learned by now by reading everything else I've already posted...it sets a precedent for the best gear to be Reman/Borg/Tron instead of being Fed-like. Which, as you also have now read of course, caused me to write the post suggesting that the Devs should work on creating items which are as good as those but which are more Fed-like. I'm so glad we were able to clear up your misunderstanding.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Englebert wrote:
    This facility was created to give players something else to do in the game. It's not a real part of Star Fleet. There is no star fleet. Quest givers in a video game and TV shows and movies are different things. Because it happens in a game doesn't mean it had to happen on the shows and movies.

    Man you flip flop more than a politician. Here is my stance short and quick.....NO TO TOGGLE OR SEGREGATION. YES TO TOLERANCE AND INDIVIDUAL CHOICE. There should not be any magic button that filters other players in game to fit anyone's limited view of how things should be. If everyone was a little more tolerant of others everything would be far better off. Or if you can't be tolerant, worry about just yourself and not what everyone else is doing, wearing, or flying.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    nixboox wrote: »
    Because...as you will have no doubt learned by now by reading everything else I've already posted...it sets a precedent for the best gear to be Reman/Borg/Tron instead of being Fed-like. Which, as you also have now read of course, caused me to write the post suggesting that the Devs should work on creating items which are as good as those but which are more Fed-like. I'm so glad we were able to clear up your misunderstanding.

    But the best is not reman tron or borg. The Reman shield is no better than a CapX2 shield. The tron Shield is a MX X cap2, not as of a stand alone shield as a Mk XI cap 2. The borg shield is an absolute joke and shouldn't be used at all. The best shield int he game is a Mk X cap 3 anyway. The little bonuses you get for having whole sets are make or break depending on your build. Stand alone, none of the new stuff is the best by themselves.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    the path to is a joke anyway cryptic has failed to live up to there own timeline and continue to violate there own continuity by adding contradictions to what is in there so called timeline it's kinda like making a modern warmovie expect that all the Americans soldiers are dressed in WWII gear fighting modern Taliban soldiers ....

    people speak of tolerance but tolerance only goes so far I tolerate your right to have markings on your ship to go in a midriff skirt but in the same way I don't see this as being Star Trek, The Federation has comfority and always has had it having free uniforms was a really bad idea to begin with

    there a reason why the Constitution was retired they only built another to pamper kirk despite the design being obsolete I prefer the Enterprise B to the Enterprise A or just 1701 at least it had class something the original Connie lacked and the Excelsior was shown in the show time and again the USS Lakota being able to hold its own against the fire power of the Defiant but the Excelsior class was built with being upgradable in mind
    I consider it the closer ancestor of the Sovereign then the Galaxy or the Ambassador Class

    A Toggle makes sense for us that actually bought the game believing it would be set in the time line they advocated it would be set in but no they had to pamper to the cry babies and include all this none 25th cent .. I've watched all the shows I've seen all the movies ... repeating the same boring stuff over and over in a mmo is not progress it's stagnation

    well that's just my 2 cents
    give us a era toggle cryptic ... Make it so! :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TRIBBLE wrong thread. I think a universal toggle off for ships is a good idea. But not for toons.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    If Cryptic had given in to canon nuts (like me) we would have a much blander game with a lot less options for self expression and customization, imagine it.

    There would be none or almost none of the actual canon ships we have, let's face it the yare 20, 30, 40, 50 years old or older. Even the newest classes we know and love intrepid sovereign defiant that every new player dreams of flying.

    Uniforms would be very restrictive there would be one overriding theme you woudlkn't be able to customize it but to set department color and rank.

    There would be no ther weapons other than starfleet phasers except for mission specific situations.

    There would be no aegis, borg, or reman stuff except for maybe mission specific for some special mission then it is removed.

    Reman and breen bridge officers? forget it.

    Is that the STO we want where veryoen's ship is pretty much the same everyone wears the same uniform the same weapons.

    This is an MMO every player has to have the ability to play it the way he or she wants it's jsut a facet of MMO Games that we know and expect.

    I've been dead set against any number of things coming to the game then promptly reversed msyelf when it hit the C-Store.

    As long as Cryptic stays true to trek I will support every player's right t oplay the game he or she wants to play.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    jam062307 wrote: »
    Man you flip flop more than a politician. Here is my stance short and quick.....NO TO TOGGLE OR SEGREGATION. YES TO TOLERANCE AND INDIVIDUAL CHOICE. There should not be any magic button that filters other players in game to fit anyone's limited view of how things should be. If everyone was a little more tolerant of others everything would be far better off. Or if you can't be tolerant, worry about just yourself and not what everyone else is doing, wearing, or flying.

    It's not flip flopping the voyager is a different situation. I support a toggle to hide other players customizations to their ships. It doesn't hurt your individual choice and you can modify your ship how you choose. You would never know if anyone had these visuals turned off. The only one being intolerant is you. You want to force people to see these tacky visuals.

    Like I said before which you can't seem to understand. I don't care about the modifications, names or uniforms. I support the option not to see other peoples ship modifications. Just like how you can turn off players names you should be able to hide these visuals.

    You are the only one trying to force the way you want the game on others. I support the choice to see them if you want too. Or turn them off if you want. So you need to drop the tolerance bit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    nixboox wrote: »
    My recent fly-by of Earth space dock showed that nearly all the ships there were black and green, black and Tron, or Borgified. By introducing the rare shields with stats that cannot be touched by any other shields, along with the similar modifications made by other items it means we're about to have nothing at all left of the original Federation ship design - its just going to be Borg-ish, Reman-ish, or Tron-ish ships from here on out. Pity.

    The set bonuses are better, and cannot be ignored. The reman shields are not in fact as good as MK X Capx3, however given how easy the reman shields are to get I can only assume they wanted to make it easier to get to that gear level.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    nixboox wrote: »
    YOU are a member of STARFLEET.
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the [URL=" http://forums.startrekonline.com/announcement.php?f=70&a=2"]Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines[/URL] GMMeeko
    You fly the ships of the line.

    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the [URL=" http://forums.startrekonline.com/announcement.php?f=70&a=2"]Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines[/URL] GMMeeko
    You are not a privateer racing out into the unknown reaches of the universe to build a mine and raid planets.
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the [URL=" http://forums.startrekonline.com/announcement.php?f=70&a=2"]Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines[/URL] GMMeeko
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    nixboox wrote: »
    Because...as you will have no doubt learned by now by reading everything else I've already posted...it sets a precedent for the best gear to be Reman/Borg/Tron instead of being Fed-like. Which, as you also have now read of course, caused me to write the post suggesting that the Devs should work on creating items which are as good as those but which are more Fed-like. I'm so glad we were able to clear up your misunderstanding.

    Okay, Y'ALL!

    What this bo' means to say is that his idea is that there be new more federation looking shields, engines, and deflector effects so that the game can be more slanted towards looking more "cannon" like, whatever that means.

    The reason you don't know this is that, well: he wrote that in about 2-3 posts into the threa. So if you read his first post, it almost comes across as if he's just whinning, because other players are doing things he doesn't like.

    In fact, I don't remember this dude saying a word about having competing fed tech to go against the aegis and borg sets up until somebody accused him of trying to pull censorship.

    - that's probably why you're confused.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I can understand why players who fly a hideous looking Galaxy would want to cover it up with all kinds of junk. I don't have to hide my ship under a pile of garbage, because my ship is not one of those monstrosities.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Any new item will have everyone equipping it. As the Devs add more crafting options, I believe this will even out eventually, and we will see more variety and looks.. So yes, it looks a little silly but only because there are currently only three options now. I don't think it will detract from the game. If anything it allows variety and customization. The basic "Star Trek" look is still there, but allows for individuality.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    dorko1 wrote: »
    um, you can disable the look. Also, important to note, you could roleplay that aspect as well. I roleplayed the idea that my engineer captain used the reman shields to put himself on a better footing against the Romulans on romulan missions.

    How do you disable the look? I would like to go back to my ship looking the way it did.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    nixboox wrote: »
    Because...as you will have no doubt learned by now by reading everything else I've already posted...it sets a precedent for the best gear to be Reman/Borg/Tron instead of being Fed-like. Which, as you also have now read of course, caused me to write the post suggesting that the Devs should work on creating items which are as good as those but which are more Fed-like. I'm so glad we were able to clear up your misunderstanding.
    Whether not I read everything you wrote (did not) is a moot point. "Visuals disabled" = you don't have to deal with it. I don't like Nemesis. I don't like Remens. Aspects of both are in the game. Oh well for me - I just play it and have as much fun as I can while I deal with what I don't like. As JAM said:
    The Reman shield is no better than a CapX2 shield
    Exactly, so I don't have to use it, and neither does anyone else who has a CapX2 Covariant. I actually do use it for the visual aspect though, despite the fact I have had the Covariant version.

    As for your dev sugestion - it's not a bad one at all, in fact, I believe aspects of it were rewards for the Devidian missions. That said, if other races have a little better tech which can be used immediately...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Groucho1 wrote: »
    How do you disable the look? I would like to go back to my ship looking the way it did.
    Right click on the shields (armor, birg tech, etc.) icon and there will be a "disable visuals" option.
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