I'm still not seeing an issue here other than to have something to wine about. There are tons of ways to get rid of them and with all the adds in the game right now your odds of even getting hit my one is slim and it only takes a second to kill them and move on and thats if you target them yourself. I think we have to many people crying over something new than trying to see how to work with them or around them.
I'm still not seeing an issue here other than to have something to wine about. There are tons of ways to get rid of them and with all the adds in the game right now your odds of even getting hit my one is slim and it only takes a second to kill them and move on and thats if you target them yourself. I think we have to many people crying over something new than trying to see how to work with them or around them.
I got hit with 4 Tractors from mines. That happened repeatedly during a match where I, a Sci/Sci, was using FAW 1 AND 2.
Not only is it annoying and completely unnecessary, it's the principle of the thing; It's exactly what we were complaining about. More spam. Chroniton mines were bad enough because people were spamming them and they snared you. These are worse because they completely stop you, they're cloaked, and they even benefit from Dispersal Patterns.
No offense intended, but if you really think they're not that big of a deal, then you need to get into a few more Arenas and see how it is.
You just complained about people complaining. Ironic isn't it?
Kirk: All I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by
McCoy: Melville
Spock: John Masefield
McCoy: Are you sure about that?
Spock: I am well versed in the classics, Doctor
McCoy: Then how come you don't know Row Row Row Your Boat?
I'm still not seeing an issue here other than to have something to wine about. There are tons of ways to get rid of them and with all the adds in the game right now your odds of even getting hit my one is slim and it only takes a second to kill them and move on and thats if you target them yourself. I think we have to many people crying over something new than trying to see how to work with them or around them.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you really don't spend too much time PvP'ing....
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you really don't spend too much time PvP'ing....
I do and i'm still not gonna side with people that are just thowing their hands up and flaming after one day instead of setting down and learning how to deal. It's must be nice to just Throw your hands up and kick and scream untill you get your way, but thats not how life works you take your licks learn to deal with them and move on.
I've got all the alts I want.
I've levelled them all up to max.
I've kitted them, their ships and their buffs out to my satisfaction.
I've done all the Accolades I can stomach.
And I've done all the PvE content available on each of them.
The only thing I do now when I log in is PvP matches. I'm not unique, many people do the same as me.
And its because of this, because its all we have left to keep us returning day after day, that we are defensive about it, so please accept my apologies in advance for coming across so aggressively....
......STOP TRIBBLE UP PVP, STOP TRIBBLE OVER THE KDF AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET RID OF THESE IDIOTIC CLOAKED TRACTOR MINES!!!!
PvP is the one area in this game which has consistently gotten worse as the rest of the game has gotten better, its received numerous nerfs and zero updates.
You say development time is short yet your spending time making childish non canon horta attack pets, use this time to add a new PvP map, surely it cant be too difficult to utilize one of the existing maps in the game.
The only thing I do now when I log in is PvP matches. I'm not unique, many people do the same as me.
And its because of this, because its all we have left to keep us returning day after day, that we are defensive about it, so please accept my apologies in advance for coming across so aggressively....
......STOP TRIBBLE UP PVP!
I'm too lit to say it much more plainly than this.
I've got all the alts I want.
I've levelled them all up to max.
I've kitted them, their ships and their buffs out to my satisfaction.
I've done all the Accolades I can stomach.
And I've done all the PvE content available on each of them.
The only thing I do now when I log in is PvP matches. I'm not unique, many people do the same as me.
And its because of this, because its all we have left to keep us returning day after day, that we are defensive about it, so please accept my apologies in advance for coming across so aggressively....
......STOP TRIBBLE UP PVP, STOP TRIBBLE OVER THE KDF AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET RID OF THESE IDIOTIC CLOAKED TRACTOR MINES!!!!
PvP is the one area in this game which has consistently gotten worse as the rest of the game has gotten better, its received numerous nerfs and zero updates.
You say development time is short yet your spending time making childish non canon horta attack pets, use this time to add a new PvP map, surely it cant be too difficult to utilize one of the existing maps in the game.
Yup,
I still have an alt i'm leveling, so i have to PVE on that toon only, & I hate it. I do it so i can use that toon in max lvl PVP. PVP is the only endgame other than he weeklies.& if you think i'm going to pay a monthly sub to play only the weeklies you're mad. As far as I'm concerned, if PVP is broken , then the game is broken, & paying for something that is broken makes no sense to me, I will pay for it again when It's fixed, unless some other shiny thing gets my attention in the meanwhile.
This is the essential point for me. The more spam we have, the less PvP becomes about PvP and the more it becomes PvS (I assume you can deduce what the "S" stands for here.) I PvP to fight PLAYERS, and to match skill and wit with fellow warriors, not to target mines and scorpion fighters. All I ask is that you give me a HUMAN target to fight.
The way things are going, PvP participation is going to halve every week until it completely dies, unless the massive issues that now exist get fixed.
Far be it from saying that those of us in OPvP are the de facto speakers of the PvP community, but we do represent a vast majority of it. And the vast majority are against these mines. And what these mines mean.
However, there are those that are for the mines. While I don't understand that at all, we must respect their opinions on the matter
Good form Cryptic, nothing like squashing all the threads that are critical of your latest debacle. I'm sure that approach will work wonders for your customer relations not only now but in your future endeavors.......well played. :rolleyes:
I really think that cryptic dont take time to think things through properly some times, they nerf the carrier pets because people complain about pet spam then a week later they give everyone fighters to use (and fighters that dont despawn, unlike carrier pets) and now they add these cloaked tractor mines ( mines that can somehow detect cloaked vessels and decloak them), these things are going to clutter up PvP even more than it is now and at the same time have ships stopping all over the place, they add nothing to PvP except more spam and more frustration, yes there are counters but with the ammont of these things floating around it really doesnt make much difference because as soon as say PH wears off theres going to be annother 20 of these things waiting to snare you.
Cryptic just dont seem to have any consistancy in the things they do, they do one thing to help reduce spam (the above mentioned carrier pet nerf) and then do 2 things that make it worse than ever (adding the fighters and these mines). More thought needs to go into rewards like these and they need to consider the impact on PvP and not just PvE.
*puts on Lawyer glasses* To the dear fighters of the carriers, I leave... a Tractor Beam to the face! *boots a fighter out of existance with Tractor beam repulsors*
To the dear Energy Siphons of the galaxy, I leave Science Team 3, and... a Tractor Beam to the face! *Boots Siphons off with repulsors*
And two more for the annoying fighters. *PUNT! PUNT!*
To the cloaking mines, already so detested, I leave... a photonic shockwave. And a Tractor Beam to the face! *PUNT!*
And another for the worthless fighters who just annoy you! *PUNT!*
God I love tractor beam repulsors. 10 seconds of man-handling even borg cubes. What isn't there to like? Escorts? Tractor Beam to the face!
Cloaking Tractor Mines? Beam to the FACE!
Fighters? Beam to the face!
And it's equippable on any ship with Lt. Science or better! Just saying....
Gosh, it sounds like some people would only be satisfied if they could have a strategy that totally prevents them from noticing tractor mines at all. It takes a second or two to destroy all the mines affecting you, and that's if you didn't target them beforehand anyway. Player tractors snare you for much longer. It's an inconvenience for the target, a slight advantage for the minelayer. Nothing worth getting upset that you were beat by a trick rather than a person.
I really think that cryptic dont take time to think things through properly some times, they nerf the carrier pets because people complain about pet spam then a week later they give everyone fighters to use (and fighters that dont despawn, unlike carrier pets) and now they add these cloaked tractor mines ( mines that can somehow detect cloaked vessels and decloak them), these things are going to clutter up PvP even more than it is now and at the same time have ships stopping all over the place, they add nothing to PvP except more spam and more frustration, yes there are counters but with the ammont of these things floating around it really doesnt make much difference because as soon as say PH wears off theres going to be annother 20 of these things waiting to snare you.
Cryptic just dont seem to have any consistancy in the things they do, they do one thing to help reduce spam (the above mentioned carrier pet nerf) and then do 2 things that make it worse than ever (adding the fighters and these mines). More thought needs to go into rewards like these and they need to consider the impact on PvP and not just PvE.
Personaly boo hoo more spam iits all about tatics get over it. Why is it when ever Cryptic comesout with something that could be usefull peale whine and cry about it. You people are not happy no matter what and its getting old.
These mines are lasting too long over 1min.
You can fire it one time and if the fight lasts until they fire again you will have double mines out.
Pve ships dont fire at them.
The tractor lasts as long as the mine is active 60seconds.
Makes elite ships a joke to kill.
Why can't my BO skill last that long? A tractor beam BO skill has a refresh these mines don't and only lasts for 10 to 15 seconds.
Won't the power supply on these mines burn out on extended use?
If they keep it this long it should only drop 1 mine and or only last 15seconds before detonation.
targeting them beforehand? like when they were cloaked?
its not always as easy as your making it out to be, especially when the same teams spamming these stupid things are also using scramble sensors, all i see when i pvp now is a screen full of stupid mines
they only hurt the game, bringing absolutely nothing good or enjoyable to the table
two things: first of all, cryptic gave everyone a great hard counter to these mines: a free Sci BOFF with TBR 3... tractor beam repulsors is the BEST anti-spam ability in the game.
Also... if everyone runs these things... that's like 1/8 less DPS on the field... should make it easier to heal those escorts when they can't move. (and yeah OBTW cryptic also gave everyone a free copy of TSS: 3 for your healing pleasure)
For you whiners: Think. Then Play. Then Adapt. Then Post.
I played a few C&H maps in my escort, and by staying high and out of the mosh pit I was able to avoid the tractor-mines. Others, however, were not so fortunate. Other than Photonic Fleet, npc spam (including these mines) should be prohibited from PvP maps. In fact, if anyone from the KT league is in this thread, I propose that rule be adopted for Season 4.
Mr. Stahl - I like this game. I really do. So much so that a month ago, when my three-month subscription came up, I ponied up the $240 and went lifetime. But the lack of attention paid to Player versus Player (that's what the P stands for, btw) content is frustrating to a large portion of the PvP gamers. Please acknowledge that the PvP community exists, and take that (very large at endgame) portion of the game into account when introducing new items/powers into the game.
Personaly boo hoo more spam iits all about tatics get over it. Why is it when ever Cryptic comesout with something that could be usefull peale whine and cry about it. You people are not happy no matter what and its getting old.
Were not happy because yet one more thing is added to help ruin PvP, we need less spam not more, you do realise the P in PvP stands for Player? well all this NPC spam adds nothing to PLAYER verses PLAYER combat, its supposed to be about people pittiing skills against each other, not spamming up the arena as much as possible with npc TRIBBLE and letting it do the work for you.
And Sharkball, how many ships can mount that TBR 3? most ships dont have a lot of sci slots available and usually there already fitted with counters to other abilities already, these mines are a terrible addition to the game and as i said before only add more spam and more frustration.
I'm still not seeing an issue here other than to have something to wine about. There are tons of ways to get rid of them and with all the adds in the game right now your odds of even getting hit my one is slim and it only takes a second to kill them and move on and thats if you target them yourself. I think we have to many people crying over something new than trying to see how to work with them or around them.
Then you don't PvP as much as you think you do and you don't do it with the quality of player you find opposed to this abomination.
Let's get mathed...
Tractor Beam Mine Launcher launches 4 mines * 5-man team = 20 mines every 1m25s * 1m = 40 mines
Chroniton Mine Launcher launches 5 mines * 5-man team = 25 mines every 20s * 1m = 75 mines
1 minute in to any match and there are 115 mines in play.
I do and i'm still not gonna side with people that are just thowing their hands up and flaming after one day instead of setting down and learning how to deal. It's must be nice to just Throw your hands up and kick and scream untill you get your way, but thats not how life works you take your licks learn to deal with them and move on.
*puts on Lawyer glasses* To the dear fighters of the carriers, I leave... a Tractor Beam to the face! *boots a fighter out of existance with Tractor beam repulsors*
To the dear Energy Siphons of the galaxy, I leave Science Team 3, and... a Tractor Beam to the face! *Boots Siphons off with repulsors*
And two more for the annoying fighters. *PUNT! PUNT!*
To the cloaking mines, already so detested, I leave... a photonic shockwave. And a Tractor Beam to the face! *PUNT!*
And another for the worthless fighters who just annoy you! *PUNT!*
God I love tractor beam repulsors. 10 seconds of man-handling even borg cubes. What isn't there to like? Escorts? Tractor Beam to the face!
Cloaking Tractor Mines? Beam to the FACE!
Fighters? Beam to the face!
And it's equippable on any ship with Lt. Science or better! Just saying....
Sure, you know what you are talking about. Let's review TBR :
You just eliminated 3 mines. And while your TBR is on its 1m30s cooldown another 115 mines just got laid. Hmmmmm, that CD only needs to be sped up 38x.
You are all missing the bigger picture, you come against a 5man team with all the above and let's see just how effective you are as you are picked you off one-by-one. Its not just the clutter. It's also the lag induced by the multitude of objects being tracked and the inability to effective target your opposition.
You just eliminated 3 mines. And while your TBR is on its 1m30s cooldown another 115 mines just got laid. Hmmmmm, that CD only needs to be sped up 38x.
TBR is only 45sec cooldown. But yes, even at that it's nowhere the level needed to clear so many mines.
Add to this the FAW changes mean that FAW will no longer be good for spam clearing (although it will be much better against single targets)
The posters I don't recognize need to understand this: The players who I do recognize posting against the mines are in a completely different league than you. No matter what Cryptic does these guys are going to clean your clock in PvP with one hand tied behind their back. We're much more aware than you will *ever* be on how to make good teams with addition of mines. It involves us spamming mines ourselves, building immunity to mine spam, and scrambling the opponents spam against them. The reason we're against these mines isn't due to QQ or us not doing well in PvP, it's because the mines are a horrible idea that sap all of the fun out of the game we love. That being said, we're still going to devastate you in PvP, assuming we bother to stick around. The random pugs who think they can offer any kind of meaningful advice to seasoned PvPers is cute, but also annoying at this time given the drastic need for change in order to save PvP. Unfortunately, Cryptic devs themselves seem like they are at the level of the random pugs and therefore have a skewed perception of how PvP actually works. As I've said a million times before, devs need to actually play PvP in order to understand it -- because what we have right now brings imagery of monkeys and typewriters.
This game is quickly devolving from Magic Powers in Space Trek Online into Spam Trek Online. Why not just regular Star Trek?
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I got hit with 4 Tractors from mines. That happened repeatedly during a match where I, a Sci/Sci, was using FAW 1 AND 2.
Not only is it annoying and completely unnecessary, it's the principle of the thing; It's exactly what we were complaining about. More spam. Chroniton mines were bad enough because people were spamming them and they snared you. These are worse because they completely stop you, they're cloaked, and they even benefit from Dispersal Patterns.
No offense intended, but if you really think they're not that big of a deal, then you need to get into a few more Arenas and see how it is.
You just complained about people complaining. Ironic isn't it?
Kirk: All I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by
McCoy: Melville
Spock: John Masefield
McCoy: Are you sure about that?
Spock: I am well versed in the classics, Doctor
McCoy: Then how come you don't know Row Row Row Your Boat?
Speak for yourself please.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you really don't spend too much time PvP'ing....
I do and i'm still not gonna side with people that are just thowing their hands up and flaming after one day instead of setting down and learning how to deal. It's must be nice to just Throw your hands up and kick and scream untill you get your way, but thats not how life works you take your licks learn to deal with them and move on.
I've levelled them all up to max.
I've kitted them, their ships and their buffs out to my satisfaction.
I've done all the Accolades I can stomach.
And I've done all the PvE content available on each of them.
The only thing I do now when I log in is PvP matches. I'm not unique, many people do the same as me.
And its because of this, because its all we have left to keep us returning day after day, that we are defensive about it, so please accept my apologies in advance for coming across so aggressively....
......STOP TRIBBLE UP PVP, STOP TRIBBLE OVER THE KDF AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET RID OF THESE IDIOTIC CLOAKED TRACTOR MINES!!!!
PvP is the one area in this game which has consistently gotten worse as the rest of the game has gotten better, its received numerous nerfs and zero updates.
You say development time is short yet your spending time making childish non canon horta attack pets, use this time to add a new PvP map, surely it cant be too difficult to utilize one of the existing maps in the game.
I'm too lit to say it much more plainly than this.
Yup,
I still have an alt i'm leveling, so i have to PVE on that toon only, & I hate it. I do it so i can use that toon in max lvl PVP. PVP is the only endgame other than he weeklies.& if you think i'm going to pay a monthly sub to play only the weeklies you're mad. As far as I'm concerned, if PVP is broken , then the game is broken, & paying for something that is broken makes no sense to me, I will pay for it again when It's fixed, unless some other shiny thing gets my attention in the meanwhile.
Sorry, and who are you?
OPvP is completely against the mines.
The PvP community tried to tell Cryptic how it felt only to have the thread moved and then summarily closed
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=205614
The way things are going, PvP participation is going to halve every week until it completely dies, unless the massive issues that now exist get fixed.
Far be it from saying that those of us in OPvP are the de facto speakers of the PvP community, but we do represent a vast majority of it. And the vast majority are against these mines. And what these mines mean.
However, there are those that are for the mines. While I don't understand that at all, we must respect their opinions on the matter
They should not be part of any PVP map.
Hmmm... I think the next one will be Tractor-equipped, Scrambling, Tricobalt Mines...
OOOooo, what about 'Gravity Well/Tyken's Rift Mines'?
Since the Tractor Mines already TRIBBLE up Cloaking, let's throw CPB Mines out there too!
<sigh>
Cryptic just dont seem to have any consistancy in the things they do, they do one thing to help reduce spam (the above mentioned carrier pet nerf) and then do 2 things that make it worse than ever (adding the fighters and these mines). More thought needs to go into rewards like these and they need to consider the impact on PvP and not just PvE.
To the dear Energy Siphons of the galaxy, I leave Science Team 3, and... a Tractor Beam to the face! *Boots Siphons off with repulsors*
And two more for the annoying fighters. *PUNT! PUNT!*
To the cloaking mines, already so detested, I leave... a photonic shockwave. And a Tractor Beam to the face! *PUNT!*
And another for the worthless fighters who just annoy you! *PUNT!*
God I love tractor beam repulsors. 10 seconds of man-handling even borg cubes. What isn't there to like? Escorts? Tractor Beam to the face!
Cloaking Tractor Mines? Beam to the FACE!
Fighters? Beam to the face!
And it's equippable on any ship with Lt. Science or better! Just saying....
Personaly boo hoo more spam iits all about tatics get over it. Why is it when ever Cryptic comesout with something that could be usefull peale whine and cry about it. You people are not happy no matter what and its getting old.
You can fire it one time and if the fight lasts until they fire again you will have double mines out.
Pve ships dont fire at them.
The tractor lasts as long as the mine is active 60seconds.
Makes elite ships a joke to kill.
Why can't my BO skill last that long? A tractor beam BO skill has a refresh these mines don't and only lasts for 10 to 15 seconds.
Won't the power supply on these mines burn out on extended use?
If they keep it this long it should only drop 1 mine and or only last 15seconds before detonation.
The balance on this is way way off.
its not always as easy as your making it out to be, especially when the same teams spamming these stupid things are also using scramble sensors, all i see when i pvp now is a screen full of stupid mines
they only hurt the game, bringing absolutely nothing good or enjoyable to the table
Also... if everyone runs these things... that's like 1/8 less DPS on the field... should make it easier to heal those escorts when they can't move. (and yeah OBTW cryptic also gave everyone a free copy of TSS: 3 for your healing pleasure)
For you whiners: Think. Then Play. Then Adapt. Then Post.
Mr. Stahl - I like this game. I really do. So much so that a month ago, when my three-month subscription came up, I ponied up the $240 and went lifetime. But the lack of attention paid to Player versus Player (that's what the P stands for, btw) content is frustrating to a large portion of the PvP gamers. Please acknowledge that the PvP community exists, and take that (very large at endgame) portion of the game into account when introducing new items/powers into the game.
We just grew another tumour. Could be in the brain this time.
Were not happy because yet one more thing is added to help ruin PvP, we need less spam not more, you do realise the P in PvP stands for Player? well all this NPC spam adds nothing to PLAYER verses PLAYER combat, its supposed to be about people pittiing skills against each other, not spamming up the arena as much as possible with npc TRIBBLE and letting it do the work for you.
And Sharkball, how many ships can mount that TBR 3? most ships dont have a lot of sci slots available and usually there already fitted with counters to other abilities already, these mines are a terrible addition to the game and as i said before only add more spam and more frustration.
Then you don't PvP as much as you think you do and you don't do it with the quality of player you find opposed to this abomination.
Let's get mathed...
Tractor Beam Mine Launcher launches 4 mines * 5-man team = 20 mines every 1m25s * 1m = 40 mines
Chroniton Mine Launcher launches 5 mines * 5-man team = 25 mines every 20s * 1m = 75 mines
1 minute in to any match and there are 115 mines in play.
Are you starting to get the picture?
See above.
Sure, you know what you are talking about. Let's review TBR :
Target: Foe (3 max)
System: Tractor
Ability Type: Repel
Activation: 0.5 sec
Range: 5km Sphere
You just eliminated 3 mines. And while your TBR is on its 1m30s cooldown another 115 mines just got laid. Hmmmmm, that CD only needs to be sped up 38x.
You are all missing the bigger picture, you come against a 5man team with all the above and let's see just how effective you are as you are picked you off one-by-one. Its not just the clutter. It's also the lag induced by the multitude of objects being tracked and the inability to effective target your opposition.
TBR is only 45sec cooldown. But yes, even at that it's nowhere the level needed to clear so many mines.
Add to this the FAW changes mean that FAW will no longer be good for spam clearing (although it will be much better against single targets)
The posters I don't recognize need to understand this: The players who I do recognize posting against the mines are in a completely different league than you. No matter what Cryptic does these guys are going to clean your clock in PvP with one hand tied behind their back. We're much more aware than you will *ever* be on how to make good teams with addition of mines. It involves us spamming mines ourselves, building immunity to mine spam, and scrambling the opponents spam against them. The reason we're against these mines isn't due to QQ or us not doing well in PvP, it's because the mines are a horrible idea that sap all of the fun out of the game we love. That being said, we're still going to devastate you in PvP, assuming we bother to stick around. The random pugs who think they can offer any kind of meaningful advice to seasoned PvPers is cute, but also annoying at this time given the drastic need for change in order to save PvP. Unfortunately, Cryptic devs themselves seem like they are at the level of the random pugs and therefore have a skewed perception of how PvP actually works. As I've said a million times before, devs need to actually play PvP in order to understand it -- because what we have right now brings imagery of monkeys and typewriters.
This game is quickly devolving from Magic Powers in Space Trek Online into Spam Trek Online. Why not just regular Star Trek?