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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I don't think the KDF needs as many storyline missions as the Federation. The Klingon faction was intended to primarily be a PvP faction afterall, so there leveling should remain a mix of PvE and PvP. I'd say 5-10 more storyline missions would be enough. I can think of a few gaps that were particular annoying that could use 1 or 2 missions. Don't forget that going forward, Klingons have access to Featured Series as well. Each new series adds 5 episodes. By the time the Romulans are likely to come out (early next year), there should be 15-20 more Featured Episodes. They will also have foundry missions by then.

    That wouldn't be enough to 'fill the gaps' in the painfull levelling process, i think.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    maina wrote: »
    My next question would be "Who brought cheese to go with this whine?", I mean if I'm going to have to read this, I should at least be fed.
    Macumba wrote:
    You know this is the perfect excuse for any delay from now on.:D

    Q: "Foundry is still beta, Why that? Big C you said..."
    A: "Hash, hash, little one, this will come when the klingons will have satisfactory contend."

    Q: "Big C, you promised a new weekly season, where did it go?"
    A: "Hash, hash, little one, this will come when the klingons will have satisfactory contend."

    etc.
    :D
    nileight wrote: »
    not really, but ok.
    Becuase the fans of the KDF raised a just ruckus over thier Star Trek fan addiction and the Devs responded that they would finish the faction before any new one fully entered the game.
    Like men of their word, they are going to do what they promised before going forward with the new Romulan faction.
    I would like to think that the Devs realize that STO is about more than just what the fed want and is a very large fabric of races with thier own agenda's and wants.

    My question is why feds continue to poke the scab of old wounds when they are still getting the lions share of the attention and always will be in the spotlight?
    mister_dee wrote:
    Why does this question have to be answered again and again?
    Antagonizing the lower classes they are to prove thier superiority? Much like the spoiled child will to show the other children how "special" they are in an attempt to assert thier place of dominance.
    Staran wrote: »
    That is what they have said and that is what, i think, the community wants (as well as me).
    But, all I see coming is
    -gorn update,
    -Qu'nos update
    -allowing to level a KDF from start

    Since that is all I see in the future, is that all that the KDF is going to require to get to the status of satisfactory?

    I see the engineering report, and dev quotes and i see what they plan on for the future.
    Gorn, Qu'nos, 6 levels of KDF content, and.....romulans, so I can only assume that those 3 things the KDF gets are what constitutes 'satisfactory".
    Is my assumption correct?
    I can only go by available information to make an analysis.

    The lastest RedShirtArmy podcast Ep43 has an interview with Dstahl that talks about the upcomming additions to the KDF in season 4. It sounded very promising.

    As to the KDF being "on par" with the feds, that will never be and is not what the Devs have promised.
    We have been promised a better "fleshing out " of our favorite faction and the races within it to give us a level of gameplay above "monster play" that we halfway have now. I have no fears that they will not fulfill there solemn word, though I too am impatient for new stuff. Luckily the Devs know that fans within the genre come in all types and not just those with little pips on thier collars and that a multifaction setting for STO is the best way to go in both content and long term playability.
    Who knows Mr. Jim Kirk wannabe of Canton, Ohio may find that he likes playing a Klingon and have a favored Alt with which to use on those days when being a fed has grown stale. The same can be said of a KDF fan whom plays fed and finds it enjoyable on days that the Empire seems stagnant. The more factions the more choices the more fun for everyone and to limit a factions growth and viabilty because it "steals" resources from the feds continuing development is frankly (imo) showing the greedy self serving nature of an otherwise nice fanbase.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    So you are saying that they areNT doing the romulans because they didn't finish the kdf?

    If thats what you mean(see my edit), then yes.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    If thats what you mean(see my edit), then yes.

    wow. that is confusing.
    You don't need to edit me. I was correct in my original question.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Roach wrote: »

    The lastest RedShirtArmy podcast Ep43 has an interview with Dstahl that talks about the upcomming additions to the KDF in season 4. It sounded very promising.

    As to the KDF being "on par" with the feds, that will never be and is not what the Devs have promised.
    We have been promised a better "fleshing out " of our favorite faction and the races within it to give us a level of gameplay above "monster play" that we halfway have now. I have no fears that they will not fulfill there solemn word, though I too am impatient for new stuff. Luckily the Devs know that fans within the genre come in all types and not just those with little pips on thier collars and that a multifaction setting for STO is the best way to go in both content and long term playability.
    Who knows Mr. Jim Kirk wannabe of Canton, Ohio may find that he likes playing a Klingon and have a favored Alt with which to use on those days when being a fed has grown stale. The same can be said of a KDF fan whom plays fed and finds it enjoyable on days that the Empire seems stagnant. The more factions the more choices the more fun for everyone and to limit a factions growth and viabilty because it "steals" resources from the feds continuing development is frankly (imo) showing the greedy self serving nature of an otherwise nice fanbase.

    Ok. Don't usually listen to podcasts anymore and that isn't a bad explanation. Two things:
    -If Mr. Jim Kirk plays this klingon and it is as hard and boring to level it as it is now, Jimmy isn't playing a Romulan.
    -"We have been promised a better "fleshing out " of our favorite faction and the races within it to give us a level of gameplay above "monster play" that we halfway have now. I have no fears that they will not fulfill there solemn word, though I too am impatient for new stuff." If they will only release the romulans when the KDF is Fleshed out and satisfactory what the devs have said is in store for the faction before the romulans doesn't seem to reflect what I would agree as being "fleshed out". So i am assuming that there is something that Cryptic isn't telling us that is in store for the kdf.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    wow. that is confusing.
    You don't need to edit me. I was correct in my original question.

    He did need to edit it you because you seem to not get that he is saying that they are NOT doing the Romulans yet because they are finishing the KDF. How is that confusing?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    wow. that is confusing.
    You don't need to edit me. I was correct in my original question.

    No, you werent. They are NOT currently "doing" the Romulans, and your original question said they were:

    "So you are saying that they are doing the romulans because they didn't finish the kdf?"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    Ok. Don't usually listen to podcasts anymore and that isn't a bad explanation. Two things:
    Was offered up as proof that the Devs have an agenda that has the KDF firmly in their sights.
    -If Mr. Jim Kirk plays this klingon and it is as hard and boring to level it as it is now, Jimmy isn't playing a Romulan.
    That is currently true and has been the major reason for so many feds not playing the KDF alts longer than LT/Ltc.
    HOpefully the fleshing out will alieviate some of this.
    -"We have been promised a better "fleshing out " of our favorite faction and the races within it to give us a level of gameplay above "monster play" that we halfway have now. I have no fears that they will not fulfill there solemn word, though I too am impatient for new stuff." If they will only release the romulans when the KDF is Fleshed out and satisfactory what the devs have said is in store for the faction before the romulans doesn't seem to reflect what I would agree as being "fleshed out". So i am assuming that there is something that Cryptic isn't telling us that is in store for the kdf.
    From what I got from listening to podcasts and other players talk of following twitter- yes there is stuff we do not know in store for the KDF.

    My Apoligies the last paragraph of my long post was meant for the thread as a whole and not targeted at you in particular, though in retrospect it fulfilled a function unkownests to me at the time I wrote.
    No insult was intended.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    CapTrott wrote: »
    He did need to edit it you because you seem to not get that he is saying that they are NOT doing the Romulans yet because they are finishing the KDF. How is that confusing?

    Because they ARE doing the romulan faction.
    Put an NT at the end of ARE all you want, they ARE doing the romulans.
    ARE ARE ARE.
    It will come out AFTER the kdf is fleshed out and satisfactory but still coming out by end of your/early next.
    Gorn, Qu'nos, content up to level 6 aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnd romulan.
    What else is in between? Is that fleshed out and satisfactory ?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    Because they ARE doing the romulan faction.
    Put an NT at the end of ARE all you want, they ARE doing the romulans.
    ARE ARE ARE.
    It will come out AFTER the kdf is fleshed out and satisfactory but still coming out by end of your/early next.
    Gorn, Qu'nos, content up to level 6 aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnd romulan.
    What else is in between? Is that fleshed out and satisfactory ?

    What you mean is, they are PLANNING on doing the Romulan faction. But since this is a FUTURE event we're talking about, then they ARENT doing it YET. So the reason they ARENT doing the Romulan faction YET is because the Klingons arent finished.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    No, you werent. They are NOT currently "doing" the Romulans, and your original question said they were:

    "So you are saying that they are doing the romulans because they didn't finish the kdf?"

    It is on the engineering report. Maybe because english isn't my main language but if something is on schedule, it will be "done". If not, it goes off the schedule, right?. If not they might as well put a whole bunch of junk there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    Because they ARE doing the romulan faction.
    Put an NT at the end of ARE all you want, they ARE doing the romulans.
    ARE ARE ARE.
    It will come out AFTER the kdf is fleshed out and satisfactory but still coming out by end of your/early next.
    Gorn, Qu'nos, content up to level 6 aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnd romulan.
    What else is in between? Is that fleshed out and satisfactory ?

    NOt to my fandom definition of satisfactory at first glance, but we (KDF) do not set the pace of development.
    THis is also why I say stay thirstyin your fandom and continue to ask WHY? WHEN? and HOW?
    Its no less than what the feds do on an hourly basis and should not be denied us just becuase ridges sit upon my scalp or my flesh is green or scaled.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    It is on the engineering report. Maybe because english isn't my main language but if something is on schedule, it will be "done". If not, it goes off the schedule, right?. If not they might as well put a whole bunch of junk there.

    If it is on the engineering report, that means they plan on doing it. However, there have been things that have been on the engineering report in the past that never happened for various reasons. Either way, your original post in this thread was asking why the Romulan faction wasnt in game yet:
    Cryptic has said that they hope to implement it by the end of this year. That most likely will mean next year because no project shows up early.
    Now, my question i guess is....WHY?

    And the answer to that question is because the Klingons are not finished yet.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The Romulan and Cardassian faction mentioned in the Engineering report are listed in the Long Term thing. That means it is something they would like to do eventually but it isnt even in design discussion much less development.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    What you mean is, they are PLANNING on doing the Romulan faction. But since this is a FUTURE event we're talking about, then they ARENT doing it YET. So the reason they ARENT doing the Romulan faction YET is because the Klingons arent finished.
    I am not explaining myself correctly.
    They are planning on having romulan faction out by the end of the year. So by the end of the year and now, they need to start it.
    It will be quite a bit of work. If they haven't started doing the faction now, they will at one point be doing the romulan faction while the kdf is being "Fleshed out" and made "satisfactory".
    The alternative seems...like it is poorly planned.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    I am not explaining myself correctly.
    They are planning on having romulan faction out by the end of the year. So by the end of the year and now, they need to start it.
    It will be quite a bit of work. If they haven't started doing the faction now, they will at one point be doing the romulan faction while the kdf is being "Fleshed out" and made "satisfactory".
    The alternative seems...like it is poorly planned.

    Ok, I follow you on all of that. So what is your specific question?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    If it is on the engineering report, that means they plan on doing it. However, there have been things that have been on the engineering report in the past that never happened for various reasons. Either way, your original post in this thread was asking why the Romulan faction wasnt in game yet:



    And the answer to that question is because the Klingons are not finished yet.

    Ugh. That isn't what I was getting at.
    They have a plan to have the Romulan faction was coming out within the year.
    They have a condition: KDF being Fleshed out and satisfactory.
    They have a plan to make the KDF meet the condition. Is Gorn, Qu'nos, and content up until level 6 the condition ?


    If it isn't and they already have the romulans planned within the year, what is the plan?
    If so, i would just like to know.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    Is Gorn, Qu'nos, and content up until level 6 the condition ?

    Here is the condition:
    dstahl wrote:
    Here are the goals we have for the KDF (and, really, any new faction we add):
    • Solid PvP experience - We want all factions to have awesome PvP maps with sought-after rewards. We want the queues to work and the gameplay modes to be fun.
    • Faction-specific PvE episodes – We recognize that the KDF needs flavorful episodes that bring out the story and point of view of that faction.
    • Strong selection of ships – The KDF needs to have a solid variety of options when it comes to PvP, not only visually but functionally.
    • Fun leveling progression – Leveling a KDF character can be painful compared to the Feds and it needs to be fun instead of a grind.
    • Equal access to new stuff – We want to ensure that all STFs, Fleet Actions, Featured Episodes and any other cool new features are built to be played and make sense for the KDF.

    We can achieve these goals. We have the plan to do it and recognize that the KDF isn’t there yet. Leveling a KDF character isn’t as fun as leveling a Fed. There are very few faction-specific episodes. There is a lack of ship variety and there are several features such as Memory Alpha that the KDF doesn’t even have access to. Our goal is to address all of those issues.

    This doesn’t mean that we’ll be making the KDF or any future faction as PvE episode-heavy as the Federation currently is. Maybe someday in the long-term future, but for now it is not a goal because we simply don’t have the manpower to do it. But we can address the issues above and make the KDF a fun faction to play and enjoy instead of the sometimes cool but often frustrating experience it is now.

    http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2089

    Now, exactly what entails as far as specifics like you mentioned, only THEY know. But regardless of things they would like to do, there isnt some set date the Rom faction is going to be out by. It wont be released until they feel comfortable calling the Klingons a complete faction, whether that is by the end of this year or next year.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Roach wrote: »
    NOt to my fandom definition of satisfactory at first glance, but we (KDF) do not set the pace of development.
    THis is also why I say stay thirstyin your fandom and continue to ask WHY? WHEN? and HOW?
    Its no less than what the feds do on an hourly basis and should not be denied us just becuase ridges sit upon my scalp or my flesh is green or scaled.
    ...or Very Hairy and Scarey Eyed... :p
    Ok, I follow you on all of that. So what is your specific question?

    ...Seems like WHY?.. is his/her specific question....

    Which isn't very specific. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Staran wrote: »
    I am not explaining myself correctly.
    I fall prey to this alot myself while posting....
    The alternative seems...like it is poorly planned.

    and notice this all too much at times.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Here is the condition:



    http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2089

    Now, exactly what entails as far as specifics like you mentioned, only THEY know. But regardless of things they would like to do, there isnt some set date the Rom faction is going to be out by. It wont be released until they feel comfortable calling the Klingons a complete faction, whether that is by the end of this year or next year.

    Well, if the romulans were coming out by the end of the year or early next, they would have given us something more specific (calendar/engineering) about the KDF beforehand. I was just using the Romulans faction as an end date for KDF content.
    I can't put faith on the vague stuff in your quote, only the specifc stuff (qu'nos, gorn, and content to level 6).
    Alright. I guess I am satisfied.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    DaveyNY wrote: »
    ...or Very Hairy and Scarey Eyed... :p

    Oh how I lament that I can't recreate my avatars look in the KDF. :( No bushy beards or big bushy afro/izro-like hair.

    I have done so fedside (long time ago) and will return to it when Section 31 is a playable option choice in storyline progression.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    yeah, why can't my kdf joined tril wear starfleet uniforms if everyone per faction can wear everything?

    If Starfleet can wear the alternate universe uniforms (one of your enemy factions), the KDF should be able to wear an enemy factions outfit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    CapTrott wrote: »
    He did need to edit it you because you seem to not get that he is saying that they are NOT doing the Romulans yet because they are finishing the KDF. How is that confusing?

    It's confusing because the question that was answered wasn't the question that was asked.
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