I would really like a T5 D7, its a ship thats been requested many times since the game went live, but the latest engineering report worries me, theres 6 Federation ships mentioned (Andorian, Oberth, Vesta, Ambassador, and Fan Designed Enterprise ship, along with the MVAM console for the Prometheus) but no mention whatsoever of any KDF ships, does that mean that theres going to be no new KDF ships untill the feds get 6 more ships?
STO wiki has a K'tinga Retrofit listed on their upcomming content section. Not quite the same as a D7, but close.
Not going to lie. But I'd love more ships like the Star Cruiser, Deep Space Science Vessel and Fleet Escort. Great job on the designs there.
I especially like the Star Cruisers and DSSVs. The Emissary, Destiny, and Nimbus are my favorites. The Maelstrom is cool too. It's the only fleet escort I like.
I especially like the Star Cruisers and DSSVs. The Emissary, Destiny, and Nimbus are my favorites. The Maelstrom is cool too. It's the only fleet escort I like.
My star cruiser has the Hull of the Vanguard. Pylons of the Nomad. Saucer of and Necciles of the Emissary.
I would like to see more new cryptic designed ships,remember back when the game came out and they were adding a new ship skin every couple of weeks? that was awesome..
Gorn ships are my favorite. I can't wait to get my Varanus.
there are loads of gorn/nausicaan NPC ships in the game, why don't they add those as KDF ships? there's also a little gorn shuttle ship that they could add as a shuttle option for KDF players too... (PS. I really love the gorn ship designs but i'm a Fed)
there are loads of gorn/nausicaan NPC ships in the game, why don't they add those as KDF ships? there's also a little gorn shuttle ship that they could add as a shuttle option for KDF players too... (PS. I really love the gorn ship designs but i'm a Fed)
+1 on the Gorn ships, I always really liked their designs. And what about the Talon battleship? I've been wanting to fight a player in one of those since I first saw one, it just looks mean.
Ok so the Obeth Class is the almost out of the shipyard but what is the next ship Fed or KDF ship we're going to get in game?
I do not know, though several ideas for KDF factioned ships have bounced around in the Klingon forums. Orion escorts and a whole lot of Gorn ideas abound there.
Are the fighters that are talked about in the engineering report going to be purchasable? Or craft-able only? Also Is it going to be like a Peregrine Fighter and a To'Duj Fighter?
I think I'll make a better list of ships I want to see.
KDF Ships
1. T5 Hybrid Ship (the best tech from each species in the Empire)
2. T5 Orion Interceptor with crew and cargo stealing ability.
3. T5 D7 with Projected Stasis Field and Magnetic Pulse Weapon with the option for D4, D5 and K't'inga ship skins. (or even make all these separate ships)
4. T5 Goroth's Ship could be a mix of Escort/Raider.
5. T5 K'vort Battle Cruiser would be nice to see. I would also like to see this become the size of the current T5 BoP with the current T5 BoP becoming the size of the B'rel. The B'rel should then be made half that size.
6. T5 Gorn Carrier
7. 22nd Century BoP ship skin for the T1 and T5 B'rel
Starfleet Ships
1. T5 TOS Constitution with the option of T2 ship skins.
2. T5 Dreadnought with TOS and T2 Constitution style ship skins. Would be interesting to give it a Galaxy-X Phaser Lance (but blue), cannons and cloak. Just make it less hull, less weapons (3/3?) but better turn rate.
3. T5 Daedalus Science Ship.
4. T5 Andorian Battle Cruiser Cruiser/Escort?
5. Class-F Shuttle to be included with TOS Pack. Give it a blue phaser.
The D4 and especially the D5 could be good as a T2 starter cruiser; doesn't have to replace the current in game one, but would be a nice option.
4. T5 Goroth's Ship could be a mix of Escort/Raider.
That's in game now as the Klingon version of the Captain's Yacht.
5. T5 K'vort Battle Cruiser would be nice to see. I would also like to see this become the size of the current T5 BoP with the current T5 BoP becoming the size of the B'rel. The B'rel should then be made half that size.
Not sure if I ever really bought the idea of "super BoP." Beside, other than having a larger crew, what would be the defining "power" of the K'Vort?
6. T5 Gorn Carrier
More ship types from ALL the Klingons' "allies" is a must.
1. T5 TOS Constitution with the option of T2 ship skins.
I'll be honest; I'm really leery of making a 150 year old ship a matchsome of the more chonologically recent ships in game.
2. T5 Dreadnought with TOS and T2 Constitution style ship skins. Would be interesting to give it a Galaxy-X Phaser Lance (but blue), cannons and cloak. Just make it less hull, less weapons (3/3?) but better turn rate.
Not that familiar with that ship; besides which, the Gal-X is controversial enough in game.
Possibly a T2/T3 ship. T5 - well, maybe if the lower ships were craftable to an extent.
5. Class-F Shuttle to be included with TOS Pack. Give it a blue phaser.
Personally, I want to see more missions that let you use a shuttle (like the first ep in the recent Featured Series, The Vault) before we see more shuttles.
Not sure if I ever really bought the idea of "super BoP." Beside, other than having a larger crew, what would be the defining "power" of the K'Vort?
Well, the problem was that the guys who did TNG wanted something bigger than the tiny K't'inga (228 meters) but didn't have the Vor'cha model for the early seasons.
The K'vort's strength was appearently its extreme forward firepower given the large size of its guns.
On a ship of about 300 meters its guns would be enormous.
It also fired a kind of torpedo in "Redemption pt1" that looks quite different from any Photon of Plasma torpedo we know.
So a torpedo skill could be its unique power.
These ships were also usually referred to a cruiser or battlecruiser in the shows.
So they could take on a role as a battlecruiser with an even stronger tendency towards the tactical than the current T5 Vor'cha.
I could even see a T3 and a T5 retrofit K'vort as a way to take two places in the Klingon shiplist at once.
The T5 version could then have the mentioned special torpedo.
More ship types from ALL the Klingons' "allies" is a must.
Problem is we have ideas, I even made two (a bit rough) 3d models for new ships and a general description of their mission.
They are both Gorn escorts, one is rather light while the other is more like an escort/cruiser mix.
But how do we get Cryptic to even consider including ships based on fan-ideas?:(
The K'vort's strength was appearently its extreme forward firepower given the large size of its guns.
On a ship of about 300 meters its guns would be enormous.
It also fired a kind of torpedo in "Redemption pt1" that looks quite different from any Photon of Plasma torpedo we know.
So a torpedo skill could be its unique power.
These ships were also usually referred to a cruiser or battlecruiser in the shows.
So they could take on a role as a battlecruiser with an even stronger tendency towards the tactical than the current T5 Vor'cha.
I could even see a T3 and a T5 retrofit K'vort as a way to take two places in the Klingon shiplist at once.
The T5 version could then have the mentioned special torpedo.
Problem with that theory is that the K'Vort is still based on the B'rel design. True it has a lot of firepower up front, but to memory, few, if any, Klingon BoPs have much of anything in regards to aft weaponry. The B'rel obvious relies on superior maneuverablity to bring its weapons to bear and it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that the K'Vort's larger size means it's not nearly as agile as its smaller cousin; thus it has a pretty glaring weakness. So, unless it's got something to cover its backside, the K'Vort is vulnerable to more manueverable ships.
This probably wouldn't be as much of a problem in STO, since all of the BoPs in game have at least one aft weapons slot, as it would be "in universe." However, even in the game, the BoPs are basically mini-escorts, and unless the K'Vort has more weapons slots in back, it's got one hell of a weak spot.
Problem is we have ideas, I even made two (a bit rough) 3d models for new ships and a general description of their mission.
They are both Gorn escorts, one is rather light while the other is more like an escort/cruiser mix.
But how do we get Cryptic to even consider including ships based on fan-ideas?:(
My guess is legal reasons are what makes Cryptic/Atari/CBS wary of implementing fan based designs.
Lets be honest. A lot of people want a T5 connie. We know a lot of people don't. But it seems like the I's have it lately. Besides. Without the Constitution there wouldn't be any ships like the Galaxy and Sovereign. I guess you could call it a "Major Overhauled Replica" and place it in T5. I mean. We probably wouldn't have had NX in the game had it not been called a "Replica".
Problem with that theory is that the K'Vort is still based on the B'rel design. True it has a lot of firepower up front, but to memory, few, if any, Klingon BoPs have much of anything in regards to aft weaponry. The B'rel obvious relies on superior maneuverablity to bring its weapons to bear and it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that the K'Vort's larger size means it's not nearly as agile as its smaller cousin; thus it has a pretty glaring weakness. So, unless it's got something to cover its backside, the K'Vort is vulnerable to more manueverable ships.
Yes, the problem is that it's still shaped like a B'Rel, but it woul be much larger and I think there is room on a larger ship for addiitonal weaponry.
This is what a K'Vort would approximately look like compared to a K't'inga:
So unless one insists that because it is shaped like a B'Rel it must be identical to a B'Rel and instead recognizes that if it's a battlecruiser (the big BoP certainly maneuvered like cruisers in the shows) it could easily be armed like a battlecruiser.
Also if the K't'inga can already have a 4/2 arrangement, a much larger ship with changes to its outside textures like additional rows of windows and other details like sensors arrays and escape pods to make it credible could easily be included into the game as another battlecruiser.:)
Thanks for the Input Archanubis! As for these ships at other tiers, I would like all the ships in game to have a T5 version. That doesn't mean they should have the same stats as the current bigger and newer ships...but there is no reason that they can't have a T5 BOff layout and better stats than the lower tier versions. There turn rate will be their benefit, along with maybe a special skill.
We already have a ship at T5 that was made in the time of Star Trek Ent, over a 100 years older than the TOS Connie. The D'Kyr, so a D4, D5, D7, TOS Connie, Orion and the Andorian ship should be okay.
The Dreadnought is soft canon (I think) and I added the Gal-X idea to it for fun
I'd like to see the Jupiter Class Dreadnought as a playable ship at some point. I know a lot of people don't like the way it looks but there are quite a few of us that do like it... (The nacelles could use a bit of work though).
HOLY MACARONI :eek:! Those canons are the size of my D7...my ship doesn't feel so powerful to me now
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I forgot to add one
T5 B'rel Wing...basically add two hangars to the existing T5 B'rel, allowing it to have two BoP pets like the carrier has. They will fly in formation with you, attack your target, cloak/uncloak at will or cloak when you cloak.
Another reason why the K'Vort seems ridiculously oversized, IMHO.
So unless one insists that because it is shaped like a B'Rel it must be identical to a B'Rel and instead recognizes that if it's a battlecruiser (the big BoP certainly maneuvered like cruisers in the shows) it could easily be armed like a battlecruiser.
Personally, to be a truly viable warship, IMHO, it would have to be armed like a Galaxy-class starship, with disruptor banks located on strategic points along the hull. Yet, the only time we saw K'Vorts in action was "Yesterday's Enterprise" (granted, it's an alt timeline), where the ships were obviously firing from the cannons on their wings. They had the advantage of numbers on the Enterprise, which is likely one reason she was overwhelmed, but visual reference of both models suggest that a single Galaxy-class starship has considerably more firepower than even a K'Vort. And let's not even get into the firepower of a Romulan warbird from that age!
But my basic gripe with adding the K'Vort is, other than size, it's just not that distinctive from the B'rel visually. Sure, you could add a lot of detail that could differentiate the two, but then there would be players who would complain that it's not the K'Vort they "know."
Thanks for the Input Archanubis! As for these ships at other tiers, I would like all the ships in game to have a T5 version. That doesn't mean they should have the same stats as the current bigger and newer ships...but there is no reason that they can't have a T5 BOff layout and better stats than the lower tier versions. There turn rate will be their benefit, along with maybe a special skill.
I have no doubt that Cryptic, at some point, will make it so that players can play their favorite ship classes at higher ranks without being totally outclassed by players with higher tiered ships. They just haven't been clear on the "how" part at present.
We already have a ship at T5 that was made in the time of Star Trek Ent, over a 100 years older than the TOS Connie. The D'Kyr, so a D4, D5, D7, TOS Connie, Orion and the Andorian ship should be okay.
True, and as I said, Cryptic will probably roll out a system that will allow players to captain their favorites at higher ranks.
T5 B'rel Wing...basically add two hangars to the existing T5 B'rel, allowing it to have two BoP pets like the carrier has. They will fly in formation with you, attack your target, cloak/uncloak at will or cloak when you cloak
Now that's a way to make the K'Vort distinct from the B'rel..
Another reason why the K'Vort seems ridiculously oversized, IMHO.
The obvious problem we face is that the other ships we have are either 100 meters shorter (K't'inga), or 150 meters longer (Vor'cha).
The Klingons have nothing canonin that size category.
Personally, to be a truly viable warship, IMHO, it would have to be armed like a Galaxy-class starship, with disruptor banks located on strategic points along the hull. Yet, the only time we saw K'Vorts in action was "Yesterday's Enterprise" (granted, it's an alt timeline), where the ships were obviously firing from the cannons on their wings. They had the advantage of numbers on the Enterprise, which is likely one reason she was overwhelmed, but visual reference of both models suggest that a single Galaxy-class starship has considerably more firepower than even a K'Vort. And let's not even get into the firepower of a Romulan warbird from that age!
The obvious difficulty there is of course that the ships fought against the Enterprise, the ship filled with main characters.
That's always a big minus for the bad guys.
We know a similar problem exists with just about any other ship in the game when we compare its fighting prowess with that of a main character ship.
Compare the number of BoPs the Defiant killed in the various episodes.
And yet only a few people demand that the T5 BoPs should be that easily killable by a T5 Defiant, because the Defiant did so in the show. (I know one player who actually made an entire thread where he laid out reasons why Klingon BoPs should be one-shottable by single torpedoes but I won't repeat his name)
Also the K'vort is still somewhat larger than the T5 Raptors we have in the game and they technically have less weapons than the Galaxy and yet they can take her on.
Also if the K'vort were implemented at T3 and at T5, one might still argue that the Enterprise encountered the equivalent of T3 K'vorts in "Yesterday's Enterprise".
Also that was not the only occasion where we saw Birds of Prey with their wings fixed in horizontal position that were clearly "large BoPs".
The two ships that attacked Rowron's ship in "Redemption", as I already mentioned above, were of that type. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080312011509/memoryalpha/en/images/9/9e/IKS_Bortas_under_attack.jpg
And they pretty much wiped the floor with Gowron's ship.
Worf was only able to destroy one of them after it had dropped its shields to beam over boarding parties.
So since the K'vort is basically inbetween the T5 Raptor and the T5 Vor'cha, it could easily work as a "light battlecrusier" with a 4/3 armament like the Raptor but a bit more hull and les agility, closer to the Vor'cha on that regard.
But my basic gripe with adding the K'Vort is, other than size, it's just not that distinctive from the B'rel visually. Sure, you could add a lot of detail that could differentiate the two, but then there would be players who would complain that it's not the K'Vort they "know."
The amusing thing is that they tried to make the two ships look somewhat different by different lighting: the big BoPs were somewhat greener and sections that are usually black like the ones presumably containing the warp engines were more grey.
Also, not visible in the image further down, they used a differnt camera perspective that made the large BoPs look wider from the rear.
This is an image of Kurn's ship, the Hegh'ta which also fired her disruptors in horizontal position and maneuvered like a cruiser.
And as you can see on that picture, the resolution of the TNG special effecs was so limited that additions like rows of windows that would make the ship look different compared to the smaller BoPs would have been almost not visible at such am image quality.
So pesonally I'd say one would not have been able to notice differences between the two kinds of ship if they had been there, so we could pretend they were actually there but no visible.
I think I'll make a better list of ships I want to see.
KDF Ships
1. T5 Hybrid Ship (the best tech from each species in the Empire)
2. T5 Orion Interceptor with crew and cargo stealing ability.
3. T5 D7 with Projected Stasis Field and Magnetic Pulse Weapon with the option for D4, D5 and K't'inga ship skins. (or even make all these separate ships)
4. T5 Goroth's Ship could be a mix of Escort/Raider.
5. T5 K'vort Battle Cruiser would be nice to see. I would also like to see this become the size of the current T5 BoP with the current T5 BoP becoming the size of the B'rel. The B'rel should then be made half that size.
6. T5 Gorn Carrier
7. 22nd Century BoP ship skin for the T1 and T5 B'rel
This has probably addressed in another thread, but i honestly can't find it. i just wanted to ask one question:
Will all the ships introduced from this point forward be only available through C-Store/Marks, or will we see ships added to the "standard" roster of vessels?
I don't mind either way; i'm just curious if it's been addressed.
This has probably addressed in another thread, but i honestly can't find it. i just wanted to ask one question:
Will all the ships introduced from this point forward be only available through C-Store/Marks, or will we see ships added to the "standard" roster of vessels?
I don't mind either way; i'm just curious if it's been addressed.
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STO wiki has a K'tinga Retrofit listed on their upcomming content section. Not quite the same as a D7, but close.
I especially like the Star Cruisers and DSSVs. The Emissary, Destiny, and Nimbus are my favorites. The Maelstrom is cool too. It's the only fleet escort I like.
My star cruiser has the Hull of the Vanguard. Pylons of the Nomad. Saucer of and Necciles of the Emissary.
its full of win.
Ohh yes that would be nice
there are loads of gorn/nausicaan NPC ships in the game, why don't they add those as KDF ships? there's also a little gorn shuttle ship that they could add as a shuttle option for KDF players too... (PS. I really love the gorn ship designs
+1 on the Gorn ships, I always really liked their designs. And what about the Talon battleship? I've been wanting to fight a player in one of those since I first saw one, it just looks mean.
I do not know, though several ideas for KDF factioned ships have bounced around in the Klingon forums. Orion escorts and a whole lot of Gorn ideas abound there.
Thanks,
Quiiliitiila
KDF Ships
1. T5 Hybrid Ship (the best tech from each species in the Empire)
2. T5 Orion Interceptor with crew and cargo stealing ability.
3. T5 D7 with Projected Stasis Field and Magnetic Pulse Weapon with the option for D4, D5 and K't'inga ship skins. (or even make all these separate ships)
4. T5 Goroth's Ship could be a mix of Escort/Raider.
5. T5 K'vort Battle Cruiser would be nice to see. I would also like to see this become the size of the current T5 BoP with the current T5 BoP becoming the size of the B'rel. The B'rel should then be made half that size.
6. T5 Gorn Carrier
7. 22nd Century BoP ship skin for the T1 and T5 B'rel
Starfleet Ships
1. T5 TOS Constitution with the option of T2 ship skins.
2. T5 Dreadnought with TOS and T2 Constitution style ship skins. Would be interesting to give it a Galaxy-X Phaser Lance (but blue), cannons and cloak. Just make it less hull, less weapons (3/3?) but better turn rate.
3. T5 Daedalus Science Ship.
4. T5 Andorian Battle Cruiser Cruiser/Escort?
5. Class-F Shuttle to be included with TOS Pack. Give it a blue phaser.
(K guys....no hate....just my dream list)
Personally, I see that more as a T1 or T2 type ship; probably best as a starter escort.
The D4 and especially the D5 could be good as a T2 starter cruiser; doesn't have to replace the current in game one, but would be a nice option.
That's in game now as the Klingon version of the Captain's Yacht.
Not sure if I ever really bought the idea of "super BoP." Beside, other than having a larger crew, what would be the defining "power" of the K'Vort?
More ship types from ALL the Klingons' "allies" is a must.
Agreed here too.
I'll be honest; I'm really leery of making a 150 year old ship a matchsome of the more chonologically recent ships in game.
Not that familiar with that ship; besides which, the Gal-X is controversial enough in game.
T1 more likely; even though it shares its design with the T3 sci ships, I just can't see it being on par even with those.
Possibly a T2/T3 ship. T5 - well, maybe if the lower ships were craftable to an extent.
Personally, I want to see more missions that let you use a shuttle (like the first ep in the recent Featured Series, The Vault) before we see more shuttles.
Well, the problem was that the guys who did TNG wanted something bigger than the tiny K't'inga (228 meters) but didn't have the Vor'cha model for the early seasons.
The K'vort's strength was appearently its extreme forward firepower given the large size of its guns.
On a ship of about 300 meters its guns would be enormous.
It also fired a kind of torpedo in "Redemption pt1" that looks quite different from any Photon of Plasma torpedo we know.
So a torpedo skill could be its unique power.
These ships were also usually referred to a cruiser or battlecruiser in the shows.
So they could take on a role as a battlecruiser with an even stronger tendency towards the tactical than the current T5 Vor'cha.
I could even see a T3 and a T5 retrofit K'vort as a way to take two places in the Klingon shiplist at once.
The T5 version could then have the mentioned special torpedo.
Problem is we have ideas, I even made two (a bit rough) 3d models for new ships and a general description of their mission.
They are both Gorn escorts, one is rather light while the other is more like an escort/cruiser mix.
But how do we get Cryptic to even consider including ships based on fan-ideas?:(
This probably wouldn't be as much of a problem in STO, since all of the BoPs in game have at least one aft weapons slot, as it would be "in universe." However, even in the game, the BoPs are basically mini-escorts, and unless the K'Vort has more weapons slots in back, it's got one hell of a weak spot.
My guess is legal reasons are what makes Cryptic/Atari/CBS wary of implementing fan based designs.
Yes, the problem is that it's still shaped like a B'Rel, but it woul be much larger and I think there is room on a larger ship for addiitonal weaponry.
This is what a K'Vort would approximately look like compared to a K't'inga:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2869/klingonbopktingacomp.jpg
So unless one insists that because it is shaped like a B'Rel it must be identical to a B'Rel and instead recognizes that if it's a battlecruiser (the big BoP certainly maneuvered like cruisers in the shows) it could easily be armed like a battlecruiser.
Also if the K't'inga can already have a 4/2 arrangement, a much larger ship with changes to its outside textures like additional rows of windows and other details like sensors arrays and escape pods to make it credible could easily be included into the game as another battlecruiser.:)
We already have a ship at T5 that was made in the time of Star Trek Ent, over a 100 years older than the TOS Connie. The D'Kyr, so a D4, D5, D7, TOS Connie, Orion and the Andorian ship should be okay.
The Dreadnought is soft canon (I think) and I added the Gal-X idea to it for fun
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/vulcan_surak_class1.jpg
Vulcan Cruiser Pleasee?
Quiiliitiila
HOLY MACARONI :eek:! Those canons are the size of my D7...my ship doesn't feel so powerful to me now
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I forgot to add one
T5 B'rel Wing...basically add two hangars to the existing T5 B'rel, allowing it to have two BoP pets like the carrier has. They will fly in formation with you, attack your target, cloak/uncloak at will or cloak when you cloak.
Personally, to be a truly viable warship, IMHO, it would have to be armed like a Galaxy-class starship, with disruptor banks located on strategic points along the hull. Yet, the only time we saw K'Vorts in action was "Yesterday's Enterprise" (granted, it's an alt timeline), where the ships were obviously firing from the cannons on their wings. They had the advantage of numbers on the Enterprise, which is likely one reason she was overwhelmed, but visual reference of both models suggest that a single Galaxy-class starship has considerably more firepower than even a K'Vort. And let's not even get into the firepower of a Romulan warbird from that age!
But my basic gripe with adding the K'Vort is, other than size, it's just not that distinctive from the B'rel visually. Sure, you could add a lot of detail that could differentiate the two, but then there would be players who would complain that it's not the K'Vort they "know."
I have no doubt that Cryptic, at some point, will make it so that players can play their favorite ship classes at higher ranks without being totally outclassed by players with higher tiered ships. They just haven't been clear on the "how" part at present.
True, and as I said, Cryptic will probably roll out a system that will allow players to captain their favorites at higher ranks.
Now that's a way to make the K'Vort distinct from the B'rel..
The obvious problem we face is that the other ships we have are either 100 meters shorter (K't'inga), or 150 meters longer (Vor'cha).
The Klingons have nothing canonin that size category.
The obvious difficulty there is of course that the ships fought against the Enterprise, the ship filled with main characters.
That's always a big minus for the bad guys.
We know a similar problem exists with just about any other ship in the game when we compare its fighting prowess with that of a main character ship.
Compare the number of BoPs the Defiant killed in the various episodes.
And yet only a few people demand that the T5 BoPs should be that easily killable by a T5 Defiant, because the Defiant did so in the show. (I know one player who actually made an entire thread where he laid out reasons why Klingon BoPs should be one-shottable by single torpedoes but I won't repeat his name)
Also the K'vort is still somewhat larger than the T5 Raptors we have in the game and they technically have less weapons than the Galaxy and yet they can take her on.
Also if the K'vort were implemented at T3 and at T5, one might still argue that the Enterprise encountered the equivalent of T3 K'vorts in "Yesterday's Enterprise".
Also that was not the only occasion where we saw Birds of Prey with their wings fixed in horizontal position that were clearly "large BoPs".
The two ships that attacked Rowron's ship in "Redemption", as I already mentioned above, were of that type.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080312011509/memoryalpha/en/images/9/9e/IKS_Bortas_under_attack.jpg
And they pretty much wiped the floor with Gowron's ship.
Worf was only able to destroy one of them after it had dropped its shields to beam over boarding parties.
So since the K'vort is basically inbetween the T5 Raptor and the T5 Vor'cha, it could easily work as a "light battlecrusier" with a 4/3 armament like the Raptor but a bit more hull and les agility, closer to the Vor'cha on that regard.
The amusing thing is that they tried to make the two ships look somewhat different by different lighting: the big BoPs were somewhat greener and sections that are usually black like the ones presumably containing the warp engines were more grey.
Also, not visible in the image further down, they used a differnt camera perspective that made the large BoPs look wider from the rear.
This is an image of Kurn's ship, the Hegh'ta which also fired her disruptors in horizontal position and maneuvered like a cruiser.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050527060933/memoryalpha/en/images/e/e8/IKS_Hegh%27ta.jpg
And as you can see on that picture, the resolution of the TNG special effecs was so limited that additions like rows of windows that would make the ship look different compared to the smaller BoPs would have been almost not visible at such am image quality.
So pesonally I'd say one would not have been able to notice differences between the two kinds of ship if they had been there, so we could pretend they were actually there but no visible.
I like you KDF dream list
Will all the ships introduced from this point forward be only available through C-Store/Marks, or will we see ships added to the "standard" roster of vessels?
I don't mind either way; i'm just curious if it's been addressed.
Well it looks that way
no I want to know what ships where coming after the ones in the Engineering Reports
It's turned into a wish list of ship everyone wants to see mostly