Quality over quantity only applies until you run out of content. At that point, even a mediocre quality mission is better than no mission at all.
I give you The Foundry. Look I like the FE stuff two, but if there's one thing you CAN say about the STO Dev team is they AREN'T just sitting on their butts; they're working hard to add a lot of things to the game on various levels.
Season 4 (so far):
- Ground Combat Revamp
- Duty Roster System (completely new system/feature)
- KDF Tutorial and the ability to start as a KDF character out of the gate (no waiting until your Fed is Lvl. 6)
- Restructuring of KDF leveling content for the above (probably a few new small missions here too)
- DSE removal and or revamp.
- Gorn look and costume options revamp.
^^^^
All the above in about 4 months from today. (projected June 2011
Stuff they have added since/after Season 3 release:
- 1 Year Anniversary celebration. (and small quest)
- ESD revamp. (and this wasn't a small patch job either)
- More Shuttles and a mission for them (with the promise of more to come)
- Borg Ship Equipment set.
- AEGIS Craftable equipment set.
- To date 4 featured episodes.
- Expanded group of Melee weapos and craftable melee weapons.
- Captain's Yacht.
- Open vest costume options.
^^^
All this post Decembber 12 2010
Stuff still to come prior to Season 4:
- Final Romulan searies featurd episode.
- Craftabe shuttles (Delta Flyer too)
- Resource farming missions for Shuttle components to craft the above.
- Addition of more Foundry options on Tribble (Dialog branching and triggers)
- Foundry (Open Beta) on the Holodeck (Live) server
So (assuming they manage to sty close to projected target dates, ALL THE ABOVE will have been done in 6 months time (December 12, 2010 to June 2011).
Now, STO may be some players first MMO and as a result, they may think all MMOs put out this amount of content in similar timeframes and other MMO Dev teams communicate up froont with the playerbase.
^^^
If this sentence describes you - then you need to know that for MMOs since EQ in 1999 - THIS IS NOT THE CASE. Most MMO developers would take a year (or more); and would maybe post something substantive regarding additions or tweaks once a month (if that).
The STO dev team is probably the fastest and also most playerbase responsive Dev team in the MMO industry today. If they can maintain this pace without members suffering some majr burnout, I'll honestly be amazed. What they've done to date since ;launch has honestly been nothing short of spectacular (imo).
If they CAN make their target of 5 FE series in a year at the level of quality they've been able to maintain for them so far, I'll be estatic; but let's all keep in mind these aren't the only thingds the Devs have promised; BUT they are indeed working very hard (in a fast fashion) to expand, flesh out and improve many different as[ects of the game; so it's not like they sit in the Cryptic office doing nothing - they're doing a lot.
Well, wow! Honestly, I can't really fathom the workload but it is nice to know that of all the MMOs that exist on this planet I've chosen exactly the most responsive and the fastest developing (no sarcasm). Cool! :cool:
The Devs have stated numerous times that UGC is not a replacement for official content. Now, if the Devs want to come out and change their official stance on the Foundry and say "yes, we're going to let that make up for less official content" then fine. But until then, their previous comments invalidate any "but you have the Foundry" arguments in response to topics about official content.
The Devs have stated numerous times that UGC is not a replacement for official content. Now, if the Devs want to come out and change their official stance on the Foundry and say "yes, we're going to let that make up for less official content" then fine. But until then, their previous comments invalidate any "but you have the Foundry" arguments in response to topics about official content.
No where in my post did I state that the Devs stated the foundry is a replacement for official mission content. In the post I replied to, you stated:
Originally Posted by The.Grand.Nagus
Quality over quantity only applies until you run out of content. At that point, even a mediocre quality mission is better than no mission at all.
And I meant by my reply is that the Foundry will allow for just what you desire - a lot of mediocre missions with a few gems here and there. that independent of what the Devs do with future mission content; but effectively it fills the need you express.
The answer in no way implies that it's a replacement for official content, but honestly, I'd rather have medioce content in the Foundry supplimented by EXCRELLENT Dev created mission wher they take the time to do it right; the mediocre Foundry missions supplemented by mediocre Dev created missions becuse someone is upset the Devs have set an ambitious schedule they may or may not completely live up to,
This is what it is looking like right now... but we haven't officially decided yet. We know what Series 4 will be and have an outline for some of the things we want to do (in fact we're reviewing our plans for the entire year next week)... so we will definitely get to this, but it may come right on the heels of season 4 so it can take advantage of cool new stuff.
Between March and May we'll be doing some other fun content things - some of it Foundry related, some of it Remastered, and some of it Feature Episode Re-runs. So lots to do!
For what It's worth I submit my vote and request that we get the next Feature Series before Season 4.
I understand you guys want to possibly include all the bells and whistles of Season 4 in those missions but really, the last 3 have been truly excellent and I think more people want the new content as is, then waiting for a few more perks. As you mention it, in the future you can always "Re-Run" the Featured Episode Remastered with the latest bells and whistles the way you're doing now with original missions.
I know you guys are working hard, and we ask for a lot, but if it matters at all, if there is some magic tally out there of how many people vote for this stuff that may way the final choice then my vote is to get that content now.
This is what it is looking like right now... but we haven't officially decided yet. We know what Series 4 will be and have an outline for some of the things we want to do (in fact we're reviewing our plans for the entire year next week)...
Now that the week has come to an end, can you shed some light on what we can expect and when? Is Series 4 going to be pre- or post-Season 4? Will we still have a total of five featured series this year? Earlier you mentioned Season 6 may be delayed to 2012 -- is this now the case?
This is what it is looking like right now... but we haven't officially decided yet. We know what Series 4 will be and have an outline for some of the things we want to do (in fact we're reviewing our plans for the entire year next week)... so we will definitely get to this, but it may come right on the heels of season 4 so it can take advantage of cool new stuff.
Between March and May we'll be doing some other fun content things - some of it Foundry related, some of it Remastered, and some of it Feature Episode Re-runs. So lots to do!
recalling an earlier thread .. hmm perhaps some mysterious contacts with another life form that might suggest a connection to V'ger ?? (not another version of the Borg ... something totally out side the box ... No pun intended !)
The Devs have stated numerous times that UGC is not a replacement for official content. Now, if the Devs want to come out and change their official stance on the Foundry and say "yes, we're going to let that make up for less official content" then fine. But until then, their previous comments invalidate any "but you have the Foundry" arguments in response to topics about official content.
Unless of course the devs decide to use the Foundry to produce their own content.
I was a little surprised that Gozer said he wouldn't use the Foundry, even for simple patrol-type missions (where the Foundry can already create better missions than most of the existing patrols from launch).
Considering Series 4 is post-poned to include the Series 4 ground battle revamp I'd guess it will come out after Season 4 is published - like Series 3 came out after Season 3.
Unless of course the devs decide to use the Foundry to produce their own content.
I was a little surprised that Gozer said he wouldn't use the Foundry, even for simple patrol-type missions (where the Foundry can already create better missions than most of the existing patrols from launch).
They have design tools that allow them much more flexibility than what you have available in the foundry.
i was thinking, i really dont mind the next series being released well into august or september, if the time is taken to make klingon pve episodes. this would seem like as good a time as any to really focus on the klingon content.
I was thinking, I really don't mind the next series being released well into August or September, if the time is taken to make Klingon PVE episodes. This would seem like as good a time as any to really focus on the Klingon content.
Well, as far as I know, they will focus on gameplay and not on Klingon PVE content. The PVE content they intend to release is about Series re-runs, dailies and The Foundry.
And as late as August, September?! That would be... unbearable! - Imho
They have design tools that allow them much more flexibility than what you have available in the foundry.
Obviously.
In my opinion, however, with significant, lingering content gaps on one side of the game, quantity ought to be favored over the exceptional quality of the Featured Series.
You can already create more engaging content with the Foundry than exists in most of the launch Patrol missions.
Well, as far as I know, they will focus on gameplay and not on Klingon PVE content. The PVE content they intend to release is about Series re-runs, dailies and The Foundry.
And as late as August, September?! That would be... unbearable! - Imho
season 4 is going to have some klingon pve episodes. they have said that in a post and in the engineering report, so we will be getting some klingon pve.
now i dont know how many or at what level or what impact making those has on the featured episode series.
they did talk about doing the next FE series after season 4 but it was not yet decided. that implies if they really wanted to they could do a FE series before season 4. now i would be quite happy if that was then turned into unique klingon episodes too. if they are going to make season 4 another big update on klingons they might as well go all in and really try to build them up as much as possible now.
In my opinion, however, with significant, lingering content gaps on one side of the game, quantity ought to be favored over the exceptional quality of the Featured Series.
You can already create more engaging content with the Foundry than exists in most of the launch Patrol missions.
Yes, I saw your reply to that post, however my reply to your post quoted above would basically be the same thing, so I'm just posting the link
Just so we're clear, I actually agree with the point your making. However, for that argument to be accepted, the Devs need to officialy change their stance on the Foundry.
season 4 is going to have some klingon pve episodes. they have said that in a post and in the engineering report, so we will be getting some klingon pve.
While the engineering report does talk about more KDF episodes, it does not say they will be included in Season 4. All it actually confirms for Season 4 is a new tutorial and a "reworking" of existing KDF content.
In my opinion, however, with significant, lingering content gaps on one side of the game, quantity ought to be favored over the exceptional quality of the Featured Series.
You can already create more engaging content with the Foundry than exists in most of the launch Patrol missions.
Honestly, I agree. I know they've got a small staff, a huge workload, and a demanding customer base, but why we don't have more "signal contacts", diplomacy missions, or at least more scripts for the existing randomly generated content I simply don't understand. Seems to me they need to hire a group of writers along with the the animators. They must know some of us are actually reading these things.
While the engineering report does talk about more KDF episodes, it does not say they will be included in Season 4. All it actually confirms for Season 4 is a new tutorial and a "reworking" of existing KDF content.
fair point, ive somewhat assumed it will be season 4. it could be later than that.
i still think now is a good time to leave the FE series for a moment and spend the time they would have done on series 4 on klingon pve. maybe that what they are planning to do already. i dont know.
fair point, ive somewhat assumed it will be season 4. it could be later than that.
i still think now is a good time to leave the FE series for a moment and spend the time they would have done on series 4 on klingon pve. maybe that what they are planning to do already. i dont know.
What they should do, IMO, is kill 2 birds with one stone and go ahead and do the next FE but have it a Klingon focused story. Maybe a Gorn civil war? That way Klingons get their "faction specific content", but everyone can play the new content as well.
What they should do, IMO, is kill 2 birds with one stone and go ahead and do the next FE but have it a Klingon focused story. Maybe a Gorn civil war? That way Klingons get their "faction specific content", but everyone can play the new content as well.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. I'd love to see the Hegemony/rogue Gorn trying to break-away from the Klingon Empire, with the Nausicaans aiding them.
This could provide: 1) Klingon PVE content 2) feature the Gorn as a culture (similar to what was done with the Deferi and the Reman resistance) 3) a little insight into the Nausicaans' culture 4) a new sector -> Gorn space, with the Gorn homeworld (Gornar? Ghdar I, II, II?)
Federation involvement in this internal Klingon matter would be justified: Because it's war, Starfleet hopes to ally with a neutral Gorn Hegemony or at least have them neutral to weaken the Empire.
And like the Reman resistance does not represent all Reman factions (e.g. Taris' allies), only a portion of the Gorn may gain independence or whatever.
Considering Series 4 is post-poned to include the Series 4 ground battle revamp I'd guess it will come out after Season 4 is published - like Series 3 came out after Season 3.
This is what it is looking like right now... but we haven't officially decided yet. We know what Series 4 will be and have an outline for some of the things we want to do (in fact we're reviewing our plans for the entire year next week)... so we will definitely get to this, but it may come right on the heels of season 4 so it can take advantage of cool new stuff.
Between March and May we'll be doing some other fun content things - some of it Foundry related, some of it Remastered, and some of it Feature Episode Re-runs. So lots to do!
fun.. redo'n old mission.. ok yeah,itll be fun for sure about 30min then.. thats all??? Well i can say ill be bored for awile
No affence stahl, but things gotta change, or people will leave here. Like stoked's last episode mentioned, atari is doing very good in terms with STO and whats its producing... id hate to see that change because of "lack of content" know what iam saying...
You guys are fixing things which is great, but we have ran them all already.. people that have been here since launch or earlier.. theres nothing for us to DO!!!! dailies are boring, dabo is fun at times, but WE NEED MORE STIMULATION!!!!
This is what it is looking like right now... but we haven't officially decided yet. We know what Series 4 will be and have an outline for some of the things we want to do (in fact we're reviewing our plans for the entire year next week)... so we will definitely get to this, but it may come right on the heels of season 4 so it can take advantage of cool new stuff.
Between March and May we'll be doing some other fun content things - some of it Foundry related, some of it Remastered, and some of it Feature Episode Re-runs. So lots to do!
no matter how much you polish a t##d it will always be a t##d, and thats exactly what kdf content is, i heard your remastering some kdf content, what is there exactly to remaster out of the 12 including sorties quest we have compared to the 39 fed missions until they hit borg space not including patrol missions and missions for going to memory alpha and the missions there and diplomatic missions. ? they all work fine.
i was talking to my friend who actually works for blizzard in cork an we were talking about sto, we talked about mission content an she told me that wow has more quests in 1 starter area on wow then in the whole of sto, i thought she was joking till i counted an she is right. she even made me laugh when she made me realise that the fishing quests on wow are more then kdf quests.
and lets not forget the fact that feds have 25 ships not including reskins which i darnt count incase i cry that isnt including the model changes you can do without buying a ship costume and the 4 shuttles feds have 1 with 2 boffs spots on it to the kdf's 19 ships 5 of which are c-store ships and none below rank 4 are science ships and 2 shuttles one being the veterans reward shuttle.
and then there is actual explorable and usable space, the kdf have 7 to the feds 13 not uncluding clusters. btw i say usable with great humour as 1 zone with 3 sorties in and another 2 with just features in it, and then lets not forget that one is a pvp zone so ye kdf have 7 sectors...................
Let's hope that we don't have to wait for Series 4 too long.
I hope they include a massive space battle again in on episode as we had in the previous Series: Breen vs. Alpha-Jem'Hadar in S1, Federation/KDF vs. True Way Alliance in S2 and now Reman resistance vs. Tal Shiar and Sela's forces in S3.
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most likely i read incorrectly then.
i would rather 100 episodes like todays per week.
/signed
I'm going to steal Isis and she will bind on equip!!! Muhahahaha!!!!
Quality over quantity only applies until you run out of content. At that point, even a mediocre quality mission is better than no mission at all.
Good Job Devs!
I give you The Foundry. Look I like the FE stuff two, but if there's one thing you CAN say about the STO Dev team is they AREN'T just sitting on their butts; they're working hard to add a lot of things to the game on various levels.
Season 4 (so far):
- Ground Combat Revamp
- Duty Roster System (completely new system/feature)
- KDF Tutorial and the ability to start as a KDF character out of the gate (no waiting until your Fed is Lvl. 6)
- Restructuring of KDF leveling content for the above (probably a few new small missions here too)
- DSE removal and or revamp.
- Gorn look and costume options revamp.
^^^^
All the above in about 4 months from today. (projected June 2011
Stuff they have added since/after Season 3 release:
- 1 Year Anniversary celebration. (and small quest)
- ESD revamp. (and this wasn't a small patch job either)
- More Shuttles and a mission for them (with the promise of more to come)
- Borg Ship Equipment set.
- AEGIS Craftable equipment set.
- To date 4 featured episodes.
- Expanded group of Melee weapos and craftable melee weapons.
- Captain's Yacht.
- Open vest costume options.
^^^
All this post Decembber 12 2010
Stuff still to come prior to Season 4:
- Final Romulan searies featurd episode.
- Craftabe shuttles (Delta Flyer too)
- Resource farming missions for Shuttle components to craft the above.
- Addition of more Foundry options on Tribble (Dialog branching and triggers)
- Foundry (Open Beta) on the Holodeck (Live) server
So (assuming they manage to sty close to projected target dates, ALL THE ABOVE will have been done in 6 months time (December 12, 2010 to June 2011).
Now, STO may be some players first MMO and as a result, they may think all MMOs put out this amount of content in similar timeframes and other MMO Dev teams communicate up froont with the playerbase.
^^^
If this sentence describes you - then you need to know that for MMOs since EQ in 1999 - THIS IS NOT THE CASE. Most MMO developers would take a year (or more); and would maybe post something substantive regarding additions or tweaks once a month (if that).
The STO dev team is probably the fastest and also most playerbase responsive Dev team in the MMO industry today. If they can maintain this pace without members suffering some majr burnout, I'll honestly be amazed. What they've done to date since ;launch has honestly been nothing short of spectacular (imo).
If they CAN make their target of 5 FE series in a year at the level of quality they've been able to maintain for them so far, I'll be estatic; but let's all keep in mind these aren't the only thingds the Devs have promised; BUT they are indeed working very hard (in a fast fashion) to expand, flesh out and improve many different as[ects of the game; so it's not like they sit in the Cryptic office doing nothing - they're doing a lot.
The Devs have stated numerous times that UGC is not a replacement for official content. Now, if the Devs want to come out and change their official stance on the Foundry and say "yes, we're going to let that make up for less official content" then fine. But until then, their previous comments invalidate any "but you have the Foundry" arguments in response to topics about official content.
No where in my post did I state that the Devs stated the foundry is a replacement for official mission content. In the post I replied to, you stated:
And I meant by my reply is that the Foundry will allow for just what you desire - a lot of mediocre missions with a few gems here and there. that independent of what the Devs do with future mission content; but effectively it fills the need you express.
The answer in no way implies that it's a replacement for official content, but honestly, I'd rather have medioce content in the Foundry supplimented by EXCRELLENT Dev created mission wher they take the time to do it right; the mediocre Foundry missions supplemented by mediocre Dev created missions becuse someone is upset the Devs have set an ambitious schedule they may or may not completely live up to,
For what It's worth I submit my vote and request that we get the next Feature Series before Season 4.
I understand you guys want to possibly include all the bells and whistles of Season 4 in those missions but really, the last 3 have been truly excellent and I think more people want the new content as is, then waiting for a few more perks. As you mention it, in the future you can always "Re-Run" the Featured Episode Remastered with the latest bells and whistles the way you're doing now with original missions.
I know you guys are working hard, and we ask for a lot, but if it matters at all, if there is some magic tally out there of how many people vote for this stuff that may way the final choice then my vote is to get that content now.
Now that the week has come to an end, can you shed some light on what we can expect and when? Is Series 4 going to be pre- or post-Season 4? Will we still have a total of five featured series this year? Earlier you mentioned Season 6 may be delayed to 2012 -- is this now the case?
recalling an earlier thread .. hmm perhaps some mysterious contacts with another life form that might suggest a connection to V'ger ?? (not another version of the Borg ... something totally out side the box ... No pun intended !)
Unless of course the devs decide to use the Foundry to produce their own content.
I was a little surprised that Gozer said he wouldn't use the Foundry, even for simple patrol-type missions (where the Foundry can already create better missions than most of the existing patrols from launch).
Considering Series 4 is post-poned to include the Series 4 ground battle revamp I'd guess it will come out after Season 4 is published - like Series 3 came out after Season 3.
They have design tools that allow them much more flexibility than what you have available in the foundry.
Well, as far as I know, they will focus on gameplay and not on Klingon PVE content. The PVE content they intend to release is about Series re-runs, dailies and The Foundry.
And as late as August, September?! That would be... unbearable! - Imho
Obviously.
In my opinion, however, with significant, lingering content gaps on one side of the game, quantity ought to be favored over the exceptional quality of the Featured Series.
You can already create more engaging content with the Foundry than exists in most of the launch Patrol missions.
season 4 is going to have some klingon pve episodes. they have said that in a post and in the engineering report, so we will be getting some klingon pve.
now i dont know how many or at what level or what impact making those has on the featured episode series.
they did talk about doing the next FE series after season 4 but it was not yet decided. that implies if they really wanted to they could do a FE series before season 4. now i would be quite happy if that was then turned into unique klingon episodes too. if they are going to make season 4 another big update on klingons they might as well go all in and really try to build them up as much as possible now.
And around and around we go:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3393087&postcount=39
Yes, I saw your reply to that post, however my reply to your post quoted above would basically be the same thing, so I'm just posting the link
Just so we're clear, I actually agree with the point your making. However, for that argument to be accepted, the Devs need to officialy change their stance on the Foundry.
While the engineering report does talk about more KDF episodes, it does not say they will be included in Season 4. All it actually confirms for Season 4 is a new tutorial and a "reworking" of existing KDF content.
Honestly, I agree. I know they've got a small staff, a huge workload, and a demanding customer base, but why we don't have more "signal contacts", diplomacy missions, or at least more scripts for the existing randomly generated content I simply don't understand. Seems to me they need to hire a group of writers along with the the animators. They must know some of us are actually reading these things.
fair point, ive somewhat assumed it will be season 4. it could be later than that.
i still think now is a good time to leave the FE series for a moment and spend the time they would have done on series 4 on klingon pve. maybe that what they are planning to do already. i dont know.
What they should do, IMO, is kill 2 birds with one stone and go ahead and do the next FE but have it a Klingon focused story. Maybe a Gorn civil war? That way Klingons get their "faction specific content", but everyone can play the new content as well.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. I'd love to see the Hegemony/rogue Gorn trying to break-away from the Klingon Empire, with the Nausicaans aiding them.
This could provide:
1) Klingon PVE content
2) feature the Gorn as a culture (similar to what was done with the Deferi and the Reman resistance)
3) a little insight into the Nausicaans' culture
4) a new sector -> Gorn space, with the Gorn homeworld (Gornar? Ghdar I, II, II?)
Federation involvement in this internal Klingon matter would be justified: Because it's war, Starfleet hopes to ally with a neutral Gorn Hegemony or at least have them neutral to weaken the Empire.
And like the Reman resistance does not represent all Reman factions (e.g. Taris' allies), only a portion of the Gorn may gain independence or whatever.
It is still undecided whether Series 4 will be pre- or post-Season 4, according to Dan Stahl on Saturday.
fun.. redo'n old mission.. ok yeah,itll be fun for sure about 30min then.. thats all??? Well i can say ill be bored for awile
No affence stahl, but things gotta change, or people will leave here. Like stoked's last episode mentioned, atari is doing very good in terms with STO and whats its producing... id hate to see that change because of "lack of content" know what iam saying...
You guys are fixing things which is great, but we have ran them all already.. people that have been here since launch or earlier.. theres nothing for us to DO!!!! dailies are boring, dabo is fun at times, but WE NEED MORE STIMULATION!!!!
no matter how much you polish a t##d it will always be a t##d, and thats exactly what kdf content is, i heard your remastering some kdf content, what is there exactly to remaster out of the 12 including sorties quest we have compared to the 39 fed missions until they hit borg space not including patrol missions and missions for going to memory alpha and the missions there and diplomatic missions. ? they all work fine.
i was talking to my friend who actually works for blizzard in cork an we were talking about sto, we talked about mission content an she told me that wow has more quests in 1 starter area on wow then in the whole of sto, i thought she was joking till i counted an she is right. she even made me laugh when she made me realise that the fishing quests on wow are more then kdf quests.
and lets not forget the fact that feds have 25 ships not including reskins which i darnt count incase i cry that isnt including the model changes you can do without buying a ship costume and the 4 shuttles feds have 1 with 2 boffs spots on it to the kdf's 19 ships 5 of which are c-store ships and none below rank 4 are science ships and 2 shuttles one being the veterans reward shuttle.
and then there is actual explorable and usable space, the kdf have 7 to the feds 13 not uncluding clusters. btw i say usable with great humour as 1 zone with 3 sorties in and another 2 with just features in it, and then lets not forget that one is a pvp zone so ye kdf have 7 sectors...................
I hope they include a massive space battle again in on episode as we had in the previous Series: Breen vs. Alpha-Jem'Hadar in S1, Federation/KDF vs. True Way Alliance in S2 and now Reman resistance vs. Tal Shiar and Sela's forces in S3.