I've just been watching my way through the first season of Star Trek: Enterprise. Now all I heard from people is that it is all just complete rubbish, but it doesn't seem too bad for me right now, should I expect to be pleasantly surprised or a plot u-turn?
heres the thing. take a hundred star trek fans and some will tell you TNG is rubbish, some will tell you DS9 is rubbish, or voyager, or star trek V or insurrection.
I will admit that ENT is not my fav and there are some issues i have that mean i enjoy it less than the others, but star trek fans tend to be quite polarising in their reviews. if you like it then thats great. dont worry what others say.
i will warn you ENT does take a rather drastic change of pace in season 3. now you may love or hate it. season 4 is probably the best season of the whole run so even if you dont like season 3, keep at it.
heres the thing. take a hundred star trek fans and some will tell you TNG is rubbish, some will tell you DS9 is rubbish, or voyager, or star trek V or insurrection.
I will admit that ENT is not my fav and there are some issues i have that mean i enjoy it less than the others, but star trek fans tend to be quite polarising in their reviews. if you like it then thats great. dont worry what others say.
i will warn you ENT does take a rather drastic change of pace in season 3. now you may love or hate it. season 4 is probably the best season of the whole run so even if you dont like season 3, keep at it.
Again, I agree; Season 4 was exactly the time when the series started to get its footing. However, I will say that by that time it was a little too late to save the series (especially since I suspect it didn't really have the support of either its network or parent company in the first place).
Enterprise was a return to the original action adventure format. When they did action adventure they did great, but when they did drama not so much. First couple of seasons were a bit hit or miss. The 4th season (not counting the dreadful finale) demonstrated what this show could have and should have been.
I think all Trek shows have to overcome the nostalgia of the previous shows.
TNG started: "This isn't the original crew!!"
DS9 started: "This isn't a starship!!"
Voy started: "This isn't the Alpha Quadrant!!"
Ent started: "This isn't 7 of 9!!"
This next Trek to come out will also be the "worst series ever made", right up until the one after it comes out, then people will go back and like it. People are strange, hort is confused.
I think all Trek shows have to overcome the nostalgia of the previous shows.
TNG started: "This isn't the original crew!!"
DS9 started: "This isn't a starship!!"
Voy started: "This isn't the Alpha Quadrant!!"
Ent started: "This isn't 7 of 9!!"
This next Trek to come out will also be the "worst series ever made", right up until the one after it comes out, then people will go back and like it. People are strange, Hort is confused.
This isn't T pol and Porthos ?
Hey there is no Porthos i nthe C-store..
I think all Trek shows have to overcome the nostalgia of the previous shows.
TNG started: "This isn't the original crew!!"
DS9 started: "This isn't a starship!!"
Voy started: "This isn't the Alpha Quadrant!!"
Ent started: "This isn't 7 of 9!!"
This next Trek to come out will also be the "worst series ever made", right up until the one after it comes out, then people will go back and like it. People are strange, hort is confused.
With TNG it was not so much "This isn't the original crew!!", it was more a problem with the fact they had shifted the format form action-adventure to drama, but I will admit there was a lot of "That ship is butt ugly"
Sorry dude, but T'pol is much,much,much hotter than 7 of 9...would definately wait seven years for that....!
I agree with you, but I remember talking to some friends after the Enterprise pilot. The consensus among them was that T'Pol was a cross between 7 of 9 and Tuvok, and entirely unappealing. But again, that was when it was new..... :rolleyes:
I agree with you, but I remember talking to some friends after the Enterprise pilot. The consensus among them was that T'Pol was a cross between 7 of 9 and Tuvok, and entirely unappealing. But again, that was when it was new..... :rolleyes:
Im gonna take a quantum leap here and say maybe it was the choice for Captain..........
Nothing like type casting
I honestly don't think Bakula was the problem with the series. An actor can only do so much with the material he's given, and the much of the material he was given was the writers (possibly due to Exectutive Meddling from B&B and/or Paramount) was rehashes of the best stories from previous Star Trek series.
And I agree with Vis, Season 4 was what the series should have been; a Vulcan superpower on the decline against several rising powers, humans gaining influence in galatic affairs, and the Romulans as the Big Bad.
I think all Trek shows have to overcome the nostalgia of the previous shows.
TNG started: "This isn't the original crew!!"
DS9 started: "This isn't a starship!!"
Voy started: "This isn't the Alpha Quadrant!!"
Ent started: "This isn't 7 of 9!!"
I think TNG was accepted a lot earlier; it's third season (especially the cliff hanging "Best of Both Worlds") is generally regarded as when the series started to get its footing. I think DS9 was given its chance by the fans, despite not being set aboard a starship, it's just the darker turn the series took turned quite a number of them off. I think Voyager is generally considered the point when "Seasonal Rot" started to set in, and Enterprise was just the final nail in the Trek T.V. series coffin. We do have a new movie, that did exceptional business, but note we still haven't gotten another TV series.
The show was coming into it's own in it's fourth season and would have lead to the Romulan War and then the formation of the Federation. At least that was probably the end game for the show. Anyways if you like Enterprise and want to continue its adventures into what the series was supposed to do, read the novels they are well written and are starting the Romulan War. I personally love Enterprise and have been with Star Trek since TNG. So it doesn't matter if you hate the TNG era because "oh my god it's not the original cast!" or DS9 because "oh my god, it's not on a starship!" or VOY because "oh my god they arn't in the Alpha Quadrant" or ENT because "oh my god Kirk's enterprise was the first!". Watch it for the stories, that's what Trek is about.
I'm not a huge fan of ENT, but it is worth watching. Especially once you have seen all the other Star Trek shows. If there was actually an episode of DS9 I had not seen I would much rather watch that than an episode of ENT, but I have actually seen all the previous series, some episodes MANY times.
I think the main issue for me was it just seemed a little low budget and personally did not care much for the acting. Some of the story lines are great and hey lets face it, anything about Star Trek strokes my inner fanboy.
So do I, so... do... I.
I truly think the hotest chicks in Star Trek are Vulcan women. Yowzer!
For me T'pol was the perfection of this. Cold blooded green goblin with a s.exy body. Beside this, she had some cute pointy ears.
Back to the thread theme,
ENT is one of my favourite Sar Trek series. Sadly the producer hadn't the right balls for such a project, same as ol' Gene had. Beside this, the series had a major failure, that damn temporal cold war along the first 3 seasons. Just in the 4. season the series were where it had to be in the first time. As for me, this was the best storyline from the whole Star Trek series.
As for "this ain't Star Trek" talk, i don't give a s**t about such stupid talk. Everyone has to define Star Trek for himself. As long as the told universe feels like Star Trek ist is Star Trek. The spirit is over all the series the same, so they truly belong together, despite the paradox filmsets.
So do I, so... do... I.
I truly think the hotest chicks in Star Trek are Vulcan women. Yowzer!
For me T'pol was the perfection of this. Cold blooded green goblin with a s.exy body. Beside this, she had some cute pointy ears.
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Again.....i was NOT looking at her ears.......i was staring mindlessly into her ample.......logic.....yea thats it....logic.......i need a cold shower......
I've just been watching my way through the first season of Star Trek: Enterprise. Now all I heard from people is that it is all just complete rubbish, but it doesn't seem too bad for me right now, should I expect to be pleasantly surprised or a plot u-turn?
the fans were the abomination that got enterprise killed... so just go in... watch them all... then vote undine
I loved Ent.. For a change, the heroes doesnt have the best/most advanced/uberest ship around.. Darn near anyone they ran into could tear them to pieces..
I loved Ent.. For a change, the heroes doesnt have the best/most advanced/uberest ship around.. Darn near anyone they ran into could tear them to pieces..
I agree, I think that was one of the problems TNG had.
I liked Ent...the only real problem I had was that it rewrote history in some places (like a Klingon on Earth, or Archer on Qo'nos in the first episode). The fact that Enterprise had Photon Torpedos so fast was a little weird too, since TOS didn't use photon torpedos much that I recall.
TOS didn't even used Warp at the begining, but Sol.:D How the heck do we explain that?
As beeing a fan we souldn't be so piky, after all it's about having fun with his/her beloved SciFi Soap Opera. A wise man once told me, "Shut the f**k up and enjoy the show!"
I have truly to admit, after I did, I had a lot more fun with it. This was about ST TNG mid Season 1.
So I give you all the same advice,
"Shut the f**k up and enjoy the show!";)
I've just been watching my way through the first season of Star Trek: Enterprise. Now all I heard from people is that it is all just complete rubbish, but it doesn't seem too bad for me right now, should I expect to be pleasantly surprised or a plot u-turn?
The hard core canonists and those that firmly believe that the only intro for a Trek series could be a classical piece tend to whine so loud that those of us that count Enterprise among our favorites get drowned out by the wailing of the Whaambulance.
I will, however, state that the Temporal Cold War was pretty dumb.
Cappy's opinion. Enterprise started out strong. I loved the story and got attached to the crew quickly. This was helped by enjoying watching a Vulcan visibly get upset every time progress was made in the NX program.
It started get old and tired with the temporal cold war bit. I guess Starfleet sucked at background checks back then and a chameleon lizard can fool internal sensors. :rolleyes:
The later episodes didn't have a star trek feeling to them but were a welcome break from the Daniels garbage and finally concluded the TCW storyline. *party* Over all ST: ENT had my attention all the way through and a much stronger start than TNG without even needing a all powerful being's help.
Cappy's opinion. Enterprise started out strong. I loved the story and got attached to the crew quickly. This was helped by enjoying watching a Vulcan visibly get upset every time progress was made in the NX program.
It started get old and tired with the temporal cold war bit. I guess Starfleet sucked at background checks back then and a chameleon lizard can fool internal sensors. :rolleyes:
The later episodes didn't have a star trek feeling to them but were a welcome break from the Daniels garbage and finally concluded the TCW storyline. *party* Over all ST: ENT had my attention all the way through and a much stronger start than TNG without even needing a all powerful being's help.
Temporal Cold War: Interesting concept, horrid execution. Seriously, they should have chucked that overboard in the concept stages and gone with the Romulans as the series big bad.
When Enterprise came out, I refused to watch it. I was in the "The only captain before Kirk, was Pike" camp. I couldn't see Scott Bakula as anything but Dr. Sam Beckett. So, I never gave it a chance.
Fast forward to six months ago....
I'm looking through my roomie's DVD collection, bored because we have no cable and there's NOTHING ON.....
I find Enterprise (Season 1)
I decide to give it a chance...(out of pure boredom)
I spend the next day and a half completely enthralled by the show....(We're talking a marathon viewing)
I walk away thinking, Dang....I should have watched that show years ago......
So....
There it is.....I've converted......Is there a support group?
I loved Ent.. For a change, the heroes doesnt have the best/most advanced/uberest ship around.. Darn near anyone they ran into could tear them to pieces..
One of the reasons I liked Enterprise and Babylon 5 so much. It was one of those rare series where humainty wasn't lord and masters of the Universe before them.
The hard core canonists and those that firmly believe that the only intro for a Trek series could be a classical piece tend to whine so loud that those of us that count Enterprise among our favorites get drowned out by the wailing of the Whaambulance.
I will, however, state that the Temporal Cold War was pretty dumb.
I happened to like the theme, and loved it against the images used in the opening credits.
I think the Temporal Cold War had its problems, mostly with implementation, but did present the ability to provide some leeway with historical canon.
I think it would have worked better if they had made the Temporal Cold War a short but intense story arc and moved on from there. It would have still provided some cover for historical discrepancies without dominating the series as it did for the early seasons.
I think the big problem was the crew. Sure a lot of the stories had promise but for me the casting just failed to deliver. Captain Archer just wasn't a dynamic presence. His subordinates were rigid to point of being typecast, especially his engineering officer. There was little chemistry, as least to me, between them.
Honestly, the most entertaining part of the show to me was the opener. I enjoyed that little song they played with the Enterprise montage.
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I will admit that ENT is not my fav and there are some issues i have that mean i enjoy it less than the others, but star trek fans tend to be quite polarising in their reviews. if you like it then thats great. dont worry what others say.
i will warn you ENT does take a rather drastic change of pace in season 3. now you may love or hate it. season 4 is probably the best season of the whole run so even if you dont like season 3, keep at it.
I agree; it comes down to one's personal opinion.
Again, I agree; Season 4 was exactly the time when the series started to get its footing. However, I will say that by that time it was a little too late to save the series (especially since I suspect it didn't really have the support of either its network or parent company in the first place).
Nothing like type casting
TNG started: "This isn't the original crew!!"
DS9 started: "This isn't a starship!!"
Voy started: "This isn't the Alpha Quadrant!!"
Ent started: "This isn't 7 of 9!!"
This next Trek to come out will also be the "worst series ever made", right up until the one after it comes out, then people will go back and like it.
edit: Heh, well done. Maybe a better choice would've been Ian McKellen just so the X-Men movies would've had an extra helping of tension.
This isn't T pol and Porthos ?
Hey there is no Porthos i nthe C-store..
With TNG it was not so much "This isn't the original crew!!", it was more a problem with the fact they had shifted the format form action-adventure to drama, but I will admit there was a lot of "That ship is butt ugly"
Sorry dude, but T'pol is much,much,much hotter than 7 of 9...would definately wait seven years for that....!
WOOF
I agree with you, but I remember talking to some friends after the Enterprise pilot. The consensus among them was that T'Pol was a cross between 7 of 9 and Tuvok, and entirely unappealing. But again, that was when it was new..... :rolleyes:
I wasn't staring at her ears......
I honestly don't think Bakula was the problem with the series. An actor can only do so much with the material he's given, and the much of the material he was given was the writers (possibly due to Exectutive Meddling from B&B and/or Paramount) was rehashes of the best stories from previous Star Trek series.
And I agree with Vis, Season 4 was what the series should have been; a Vulcan superpower on the decline against several rising powers, humans gaining influence in galatic affairs, and the Romulans as the Big Bad.
I think TNG was accepted a lot earlier; it's third season (especially the cliff hanging "Best of Both Worlds") is generally regarded as when the series started to get its footing. I think DS9 was given its chance by the fans, despite not being set aboard a starship, it's just the darker turn the series took turned quite a number of them off. I think Voyager is generally considered the point when "Seasonal Rot" started to set in, and Enterprise was just the final nail in the Trek T.V. series coffin. We do have a new movie, that did exceptional business, but note we still haven't gotten another TV series.
Though i did think season 3 of Enterprise was the weaker part of the series.
I think the main issue for me was it just seemed a little low budget and personally did not care much for the acting. Some of the story lines are great and hey lets face it, anything about Star Trek strokes my inner fanboy.
So do I, so... do... I.
I truly think the hotest chicks in Star Trek are Vulcan women. Yowzer!
For me T'pol was the perfection of this. Cold blooded green goblin with a s.exy body. Beside this, she had some cute pointy ears.
Back to the thread theme,
ENT is one of my favourite Sar Trek series. Sadly the producer hadn't the right balls for such a project, same as ol' Gene had. Beside this, the series had a major failure, that damn temporal cold war along the first 3 seasons. Just in the 4. season the series were where it had to be in the first time. As for me, this was the best storyline from the whole Star Trek series.
As for "this ain't Star Trek" talk, i don't give a s**t about such stupid talk. Everyone has to define Star Trek for himself. As long as the told universe feels like Star Trek ist is Star Trek. The spirit is over all the series the same, so they truly belong together, despite the paradox filmsets.
Again.....i was NOT looking at her ears.......i was staring mindlessly into her ample.......logic.....yea thats it....logic.......i need a cold shower......
the fans were the abomination that got enterprise killed... so just go in... watch them all... then vote undine
I agree, I think that was one of the problems TNG had.
As beeing a fan we souldn't be so piky, after all it's about having fun with his/her beloved SciFi Soap Opera. A wise man once told me, "Shut the f**k up and enjoy the show!"
I have truly to admit, after I did, I had a lot more fun with it. This was about ST TNG mid Season 1.
So I give you all the same advice,
"Shut the f**k up and enjoy the show!";)
The hard core canonists and those that firmly believe that the only intro for a Trek series could be a classical piece tend to whine so loud that those of us that count Enterprise among our favorites get drowned out by the wailing of the Whaambulance.
I will, however, state that the Temporal Cold War was pretty dumb.
It started get old and tired with the temporal cold war bit. I guess Starfleet sucked at background checks back then and a chameleon lizard can fool internal sensors. :rolleyes:
The later episodes didn't have a star trek feeling to them but were a welcome break from the Daniels garbage and finally concluded the TCW storyline. *party* Over all ST: ENT had my attention all the way through and a much stronger start than TNG without even needing a all powerful being's help.
Temporal Cold War: Interesting concept, horrid execution. Seriously, they should have chucked that overboard in the concept stages and gone with the Romulans as the series big bad.
When Enterprise came out, I refused to watch it. I was in the "The only captain before Kirk, was Pike" camp. I couldn't see Scott Bakula as anything but Dr. Sam Beckett. So, I never gave it a chance.
Fast forward to six months ago....
I'm looking through my roomie's DVD collection, bored because we have no cable and there's NOTHING ON.....
I find Enterprise (Season 1)
I decide to give it a chance...(out of pure boredom)
I spend the next day and a half completely enthralled by the show....(We're talking a marathon viewing)
I walk away thinking, Dang....I should have watched that show years ago......
So....
There it is.....I've converted......Is there a support group?
One of the reasons I liked Enterprise and Babylon 5 so much. It was one of those rare series where humainty wasn't lord and masters of the Universe before them.
I happened to like the theme, and loved it against the images used in the opening credits.
I think the Temporal Cold War had its problems, mostly with implementation, but did present the ability to provide some leeway with historical canon.
I think it would have worked better if they had made the Temporal Cold War a short but intense story arc and moved on from there. It would have still provided some cover for historical discrepancies without dominating the series as it did for the early seasons.
Honestly, the most entertaining part of the show to me was the opener. I enjoyed that little song they played with the Enterprise montage.