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Poll: How should the Rom faction be added to STO?

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    If they start in their own area, why wouldnt they be using their own ships? Also, here something he said before:



    http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2158

    That's not what I mean. What my comment was in reference to was your concern that he is looking to "hybrid" them. I do not believe that is his intention. He is not looking to "Gornify" them.
    What makes you think that Romulans will be the next faction added to Star Trek Online?

    The devs have said they do want to add a third faction, but last I remember (please correct me if I'm wrong) they still hadn't decided if it was going to be Romulan or Cardassian.

    Dstahls comments for the last 4-6 months or so have been that he'd like to see a Romulan faction in game by next year sometime. He has specified Romulans, not a third faction.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Varrangian wrote: »
    That's not what I mean. What my comment was in reference to was your concern that he is looking to "hybrid" them. I do not believe that is his intention. He is not looking to "Gornify" them.

    Lets make sure we're on the same page before we go any further; the last couple of times Dan has mentioned adding the Rom faction, he has suggested that they be included in both the Fed and KDF factions rather than being their own seperate faction. With that in mind, the main reason people want to be able to play Romulans is to be able to fly their ships. Dan is not dumb, so I have no doubt he knows this. That being the case, it only make sense that he is talking about having playable Rom species and ships in the Fed and KDF faction.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I would love to see a Cardassian faction and they may work with a Romulan as both have secret orders, makes me think of the DS9 episode where they worked together.

    The difficulty is that the Klingon Faction has been in for a year and as far as I can see still has no tutorial (maybe coming season 4) so people have to play feds and then Klingons are a second option. And equally from what I can see outside of repeatable content I have come across one Klingon mission. Now after a year they aren't really a fully fleshed out second faction so a third faction would be a long way off. Maybe a year before it would be in the state of the Klingon faction.

    Though If we look at the Klingon faction you are constantly refered to as a Klingon, went back in time and told not to worry cause the Federation would not know what a Klingon looked like. But wait I am an Alien that looks like a Cardassian why are you telling me I should be safe cause they don't know that II'm a Klingon cause I'm not a Klingon. So in that way its a shame to have so much material to draw from and then have Romulans who don't act like Romilans and infact are all about Honour or Diplomacy.

    Ultimately I don't know what Cryptics Budget is for STO I hope its increasing so its hard to say if a 3rd or 4th Faction is ever going to be possible. Likewise I don't know if it was possible that we will ever see Romulans as people would hope. But I do think adding these factions would really add to the game, it would along with the episodic content really make STO stand out. A much richer and fuller game that can only encoruage people to check it out.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    If I ever see Romulan peta'Q in orbit of Qo'noS, I will personally make sure its broken hull be displayed outside the Great Hall after my disruptors burn it from the sky! Qapla'!!! Okay just having fun :D


    I voted independent....I feel the Klingons, Romulans and Cardassians should have some kind of constant alliance mini game that allows for civil wars that can create or break an alliance with the other factions, while the Federation will accept any of these groups. Don't forget, not all alliances have the best benefit, some things might deter factions from join other factions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Most people are saying an Independent faction. This just points out how unreasonable people are. There's not nearly enough content. Not nearly enough species, ships. Not nearly enough of just about everything to have the Romulans be ALONE.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    i voted independent, seemingly like a lot of other people.

    I'll add this as well

    I'd like to see the Romulan's faction added on a progressive tier by tier basis, that includes reasonable content release so we don't see the problems that occurred with the KDF faction repeated.

    under this proposal the initial release would incorporate the first two tiers with one tier per season thereafter and missions / ships etc to support.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    joebobkill wrote: »
    I voted for independent. If we have romulans joining FED AND KDF... then wouldn't that somehow violate the prime directive????

    We can't take sides in a war if the Romulan empire splits.

    Why can't the Federation take sides? They did during the Klingon civil war.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Why can't the Federation take sides? They did during the Klingon civil war.

    people will whine
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Romulans need to be their own independent faction. I think the Klingons should have been their own independent faction. They should have made the orions, gorn, aliens, their own faction group separate from the klingons.

    I really can't believe we are talking about expansions here because the Klingons were left unfinished. We are still waiting for Klingon stuff. Unless the Romulan stuff will include Klingon content then I could see that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Txtrekker wrote: »
    Romulans need to be their own independent faction. I think the Klingons should have been their own independent faction. They should have made the orions, gorn, aliens, their own faction group separate from the klingons.

    I really can't believe we are talking about expansions here because the Klingons were left unfinished. We are still waiting for Klingon stuff. Unless the Romulan stuff will include Klingon content then I could see that.

    Common, Nobody is saying dump the KDF already. If you read the ROM forum posts you will see that the OVERWHELMING majority is in favor of getting the KDF up to par with FED. We are just excited to see the formation of the ROM faction. Everyone should start with this assumption since the devs have flat out said that they wont add a new faction until KDF is up to speed. We wont forget it while we talk about how sweet the fully independent ROM faction will be.

    Jolan'tru b*tches
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I would have serious concerns for an independant faction as there would not be enough players for STFs and PVP imo.

    Unless new methods are introduced to solve those issues. I find the idea of Klingons in any way allied with Romulans to be akin to a Klingon-Tribble alliance. They also must be seperate from FED so as to encourage people to play them - and if they are indeed added I suspect that will be the case in some way, shape or form, i.e. their own ships, missions... but whether there will be a faction ala Deferi that the Fed is ... friendly with.. thats a possibility... but doubtful, especially if the truth about Hobus; taris has not come to light among the masses of the old RSE.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    nynik wrote:
    I would have serious concerns for an independant faction as there would not be enough players for STFs and PVP imo.

    Unless new methods are introduced to solve those issues. I find the idea of Klingons in any way allied with Romulans to be akin to a Klingon-Tribble alliance. They also must be seperate from FED so as to encourage people to play them - and if they are indeed added I suspect that will be the case in some way, shape or form, i.e. their own ships, missions... but whether there will be a faction ala Deferi that the Fed is ... friendly with.. thats a possibility... but doubtful, especially if the truth about Hobus; taris has not come to light among the masses of the old RSE.

    allowing people to group regardless of faction is a simple solution to that problem

    only one that might be a bugger is the terradome ending (who are you rescuing?) ... still..... they can choose that by whatever faction the team leader is.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    allowing people to group regardless of faction is a simple solution to that problem

    i agree, should solve the issue.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I voted independent, and no I would not be satisfied with a mini faction. I would be ok with it for a start but i would expect it to expnad over time and eventually be a full faction.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I vote that Romulans get their own faction. I don't care who they subjugate to be their 'companion races' or whatever you want to call them (you know, KDF has Orion, Gor, Naussicaan, etc you get the idea) but they need to be a separate faction.
    "Perhaps the Romulan Empire will split into multiple factions where one will join the Federation and the other the Klingon Empire... That's an interesting idea."
    No. No it isn't.
    Firstly, why the Romulans wouldn't join the feds: There was an entire movie about civilian hatred and blame toward the Federation about their homeworld being destroyed! You're telling me that was isolated? You're telling me that in a xenophobic species like the Romulans that event isn't going to be pervasive and enduring?
    No.
    It would make more sense for the Romulans to team up with the Klingons, which I'm somewhat opposed to for canonical reasons, though there is support that Klingons and Romulans have been trading tech for a while, at least prior to the Khitomer massacre... though this in and of itself is reason enough that Romulans have no place in the Empire. They just can't be trusted.
    No again.
    I don't know what else to say here. The big three in Star Trek has always been Klingons, Romulans, and the Federation. Those need to be finished first, before we start thinking about Neo-Dominion or whatever other faction may be set in the future.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Voted Independent.
    Agree with the above poster that Rommies wouldn't ally with the feds at this point.

    My big concern is that once romulans come out as a faction, the KDF faction will evaporate.

    Something that I see as an EASY fix, even if temporary, is to end the war between the KDF and Federation. They've been allies for a long time prior to the game (short war prior to dominion invasion not withstanding) and its very believable and canon. Not to mention the game is full of bitter feds or klinks who could afford to stop griefing each other and start shooting at someone else :P. Sure they're could be border skirmishes ect for pvp purposes, but with the war over you could do the Following:

    Team up for STF's
    Allow KDF Access to Cardassian and Romulan Sectors that Fed has access to
    Allow KDF+Fed VS Romulans PVP ( thats the big one, would be awesome, They're allied remember!)
    Allow Ambassador Ranked feds to visit Qo'nos, and Vice Versa( Give us the KDF equivalent to Ambassador!)


    As the game grows there no reason the status Quo cant grow with it, we can move beyond Fed VS Klink and fight the bigger threat, an Agressive resurgent Romulan Empire, bent on regaining its place in the Galaxy! The games factions could undergo changes in alliances based on new factions or events, and heck maybe it could be decided by the FDC!

    They could continue to grow the kdf faction, and the alliance wouldn't have to be permanent, but this is the only way to me that rommies could come out this year, AND NOT cause the collapse and death of the KDF playerbase...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    One thing to remember is when they changed the pvp code, they made it so multiple factions can be easily added. So it could go F vs K vs R .
    I don't think it would cause the Klin faction to evaporate, it would put a dent in the fed faction for sure.
    though you will have an initial run of everyone(or near) making a new faction character to check out the new stuff, some will stay, some will go back to their main faction
    Having 3 or more factions works well, I liked how it was implemented in DaoC. If they do something similiar I won't have any concerns
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    joebobkill wrote: »
    I voted for independent. If we have romulans joining FED AND KDF... then wouldn't that somehow violate the prime directive????

    We can't take sides in a war if the Romulan empire splits.

    Um the federation Prime Directive ONLY applies to pre-warp capable species (at least before TNG mucked iot up sometimes adhering to the above, and sometimes making it about any non Federation member - which in itself is interesting because if it DID wortk like that, the Frederation could never gain new mwembers WITHOUT violation of the TNG version of the Prime Direstive.) ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    kresteel wrote:
    Jolan'tru b*tches

    My thoughts exactly :). I voted independent, I like my Romulans bold, manipulative, and traitorous. I do slightly believe that a True Way Cardassian/Romulan alliance might happen, and I also believe that Feds might end up getting Romulan BO's since there are some sub-groups who need help in any way they can get it. And KDF could possibly get Reman BOs.

    The new Romulan style of combat is impressive, and when we do get them, I really hope it's not just going to be a knockoff of the current system. Romulans and Klingons should have completely different abilities than the Feds do, it would be disappointing if we had to have the same kits, armor, and weapon abilities across all 3 factions.

    The new D'Deridex can launch 3 HY plasma torps, the new disruptors leave an DoT, and we definitely need Tharalon mines. The new uniforms are EXCELLENT! It's all shaping up quite nicely, I just hope we get to use all of it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Recent comments have sparked a heated debate regarding how the Romulan faction should be added to STO. Should it be its own independent faction* like the Feds and KDF? Should it be a hybrid faction that is part of both the Feds and KDF? Should the Romulan and Cardassian factions be combined, killing two birds with one stone? Or should it be a double faction, with both an independent part as well as a hybrid part that is part of other factions? Tell the Devs how you feel:

    *click here to vote*

    After you vote, please share your thoughts :)

    *PS: If you voted "independent", please cast your vote here as well:

    *click here to vote*

    HAHAHAAAA saw you character pic then read the heading again. This thread could be misinterpreted. I was like hell no they are not going to base a Ferengi faction around Rom from ds9.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    My thoughts exactly :). I voted independent, I like my Romulans bold, manipulative, and traitorous. I do slightly believe that a True Way Cardassian/Romulan alliance might happen, and I also believe that Feds might end up getting Romulan BO's since there are some sub-groups who need help in any way they can get it. And KDF could possibly get Reman BOs.

    The new Romulan style of combat is impressive, and when we do get them, I really hope it's not just going to be a knockoff of the current system. Romulans and Klingons should have completely different abilities than the Feds do, it would be disappointing if we had to have the same kits, armor, and weapon abilities across all 3 factions.

    The new D'Deridex can launch 3 HY plasma torps, the new disruptors leave an DoT, and we definitely need Tharalon mines. The new uniforms are EXCELLENT! It's all shaping up quite nicely, I just hope we get to use all of it.

    right back at you....
    this is hopefully how the roms will be added. It would seem to satisfy current story and allow for a unique faction....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    If things go as the poll wants and we are going to be looking at a Romulan faction as being the next big faction. A good choice and one I look forward to.

    Is there though while waiting and because it makes a Cardassian faction either many years away or never any chance that Cardassians will be brought in to the C-Store and be able to play on any of the factions? After all we have Ferengi and Klingons in the Federation both with thier own faction and therefore less likely to be joining the Federation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Costello wrote: »
    If things go as the poll wants and we are going to be looking at a Romulan faction as being the next big faction. A good choice and one I look forward to.

    Is there though while waiting and because it makes a Cardassian faction either many years away or never any chance that Cardassians will be brought in to the C-Store and be able to play on any of the factions? After all we have Ferengi and Klingons in the Federation both with thier own faction and therefore less likely to be joining the Federation.

    This is how im hoping things will go like BOTF (Birth of the federation) Style.

    That said... there does need to be a player base large enough to support playing those factions. If the devs keep at it like they have with the weekly epesodes ( awesome btw) I expect STO to grow steadily. The revamps they have in the works with PVP, Ground Combat and other such shortcomings are exactly the kind of thing that will make that happen. Also the KDF needs love before the ROMs hit the stage. (just throwing that out there for my Klink peeps at Q'NOS)

    Jolan"tru B*tches
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    The romulans sided with the cards against the dominion and got slaughtered then the cardies joined the dominion! I doubt the romulans would side with them again.

    I could see BO rewards as part of the weekly episodes but not sure about fed or klink romulan captains. I would say they rebound from the tragedy and come back as thier own faction.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Tragamite wrote: »
    The romulans sided with the cards against the dominion and got slaughtered then the cardies joined the dominion! I doubt the romulans would side with them again.

    I could see BO rewards as part of the weekly episodes but not sure about fed or klink romulan captains. I would say they rebound from the tragedy and come back as thier own faction.

    Normaly i would agree.. but, this is was not normal government function. The Cards were forced to Join (surrender) to the dominion. I don't see the roms or the cards holding a grudge about this. The roms weren't particularly brutal with the cards and at least some if not most of the card military wasnt really cool with the dominion... at least not in the end. I could easily see a pooling of resources if there interests were closer together.... but there empires are kinda far away from each other and both races are used to strong central government independant of alien rule. (remember the dominion was only in charge of the cards for a short period of time before the cards revolted) I could see them as allies but not with a unified central command. It would be hard to integrate cards into a playable rom faction. The cards will have to be there own independant faction or stay as npc with boff exceptions. So I guess I agree because I dont think we should see a rom card unified faction but I disagree that it is because of poor relations due to the dominion war.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    The Romulans have to be independent since they look down upon both the Federation and Klingons. They may be more sociable witht he Feds (because of the Vulcans), but they will always be xenophobic. In a post I made just before seeing this one, I did recommend having the Tholians as an ally for the Romulans since they are also xenophobic and offer a level of technology the Rommies can "steal" and also leverage the Tholians in their dealing with the other major races. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    kresteel wrote:
    This is how im hoping things will go like BOTF (Birth of the federation) Style.

    That said... there does need to be a player base large enough to support playing those factions. If the devs keep at it like they have with the weekly epesodes ( awesome btw) I expect STO to grow steadily. The revamps they have in the works with PVP, Ground Combat and other such shortcomings are exactly the kind of thing that will make that happen. Also the KDF needs love before the ROMs hit the stage. (just throwing that out there for my Klink peeps at Q'NOS)

    Jolan"tru B*tches

    If this game could go birth of the federation style I think it would be amazing. The problem with 2 factions is that they always always have to be at war or you don't have any PvP. But by having multiple factions you can have diplomancy and alliances where they work together against other factions for a time before turning on each other. I also think it would make STO stand out from the other MMO's cause with multiple factions you would have so much more choice. The game can then move away from being a Star Trek (federation) MMO to an MMO in its own rights where players have a large number of story and play styles available to them. Even if someone isn't a fan of Star Trek they may still find they enjoy playing the Romulan faction as it isn't the traditional star trek experience.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Costello wrote: »
    If this game could go birth of the federation style I think it would be amazing. The problem with 2 factions is that they always always have to be at war or you don't have any PvP. But by having multiple factions you can have diplomancy and alliances where they work together against other factions for a time before turning on each other. I also think it would make STO stand out from the other MMO's cause with multiple factions you would have so much more choice. The game can then move away from being a Star Trek (federation) MMO to an MMO in its own rights where players have a large number of story and play styles available to them. Even if someone isn't a fan of Star Trek they may still find they enjoy playing the Romulan faction as it isn't the traditional star trek experience.

    Thats it exactly... The really cool thing that your hitting on is the encorperation of a very large sweeping sandbox without the chaos. Players get a choice to get lost in the story, the evolution of there faction, or some of both. It truly is something for everyone. And most important of all... I get to play a romulan.
    Now if we can only get the players for multiple factions we'll be all set.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    am i the only one suspicious of someone called "The.Grand.Nagus" asking for a Rom specific faction :p

    check the fine print !
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    m.mcnaught wrote:
    am i the only one suspicious of someone called "The.Grand.Nagus" asking for a Rom specific faction :p

    check the fine print !
    You have to highlight the dark sections of his text.... he switched to black to hide in the background...
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