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American Indians the first Star Trek writers?

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edited February 2011 in Ten Forward
http://windyscotty.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/chalk-bluff-2-005-medium.jpg

I can only imagine what inspired this drawing. A large space craft with many little light crafts, shuttle pets? Did Star Trek begin with the Native Americans?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    exyle wrote: »
    http://windyscotty.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/chalk-bluff-2-005-medium.jpg

    I can only imagine what inspired this drawing. A large space craft with many little light crafts, shuttle pets? Did Star Trek begin with the Native Americans?

    It actually looks more like a Craps table in a Casino.


    /ducks
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Gene Roddenberry invented "Star Trek" nobody else.

    But he did not invent Science Fiction. :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    he following tale of alien encounters is true and by true I mean false. It's all lies but they're entertaining lies and in the end isn't that the real truth. The answer is no.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    you stupid peseants... thats obvoiusly an advert for boulder jumping contests.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    It actually looks more like a Craps table in a Casino.


    /ducks

    I admit, I lol'd.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I see a dancing sperm along the bottom.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Chakotay worked all of that out in a Voyager episode years ago.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Don't look, the government is putting subliminal messages in wall paintings

    must gather more berries....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    Gene Roddenberry invented "Star Trek" nobody else.

    But he did not invent Science Fiction. :p

    Wait, you mean George Lucas didn't invent Star Trek? Then what the hell was that new movie about?!! (half j/k, I liked the new movie)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    What makes you think they weren't just messing with us?

    "Hey, what are you drawing?"
    "Just TRIBBLE."
    "Why?"
    "Just to mess with our decendents."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Chakotay worked all of that out in a Voyager episode years ago.

    Oh Christ, that just leaves room for a timeloop episode where Chakotay messes with the past to influence the present!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    dorko1 wrote: »
    Oh Christ, that just leaves room for a timeloop episode where Chakotay messes with the past to influence the present!

    Which episode? I have all the dvds. :confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    Gene Roddenberry invented "Star Trek" nobody else.

    But he did not invent Science Fiction. :p

    Ancient people invented it, Gene just repackaged it. Actually in TAS, How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth, is a pure Ancient Alien episode, hidden slightly so as to not scare the kids. If you know the Ancient Alien lore, you see it quite vividly portrayed in that episode.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Wasn't Star trek created by a Russian scientist and imperialist?

    Most of the ideals that Gene champions are similar to what was written more than 100 years prior.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    That is what archaeologists call a composite painting. Often found at 'prayer' or 'dreamwalker' sites, the shaman draws images on a place he feels is powerful (Usually meets certain geological conditions, secluded, and spends most of the day in the sun.) to help guide his vision. After a while these sites get cluttered with images.

    The non-mystical explanation: Hunger, thirst, and sun exposure kick in, and by focusing on an image, their brain focuses in on what they 'wanted' to see, and they have a vision that matches what they are looking for.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    exyle wrote: »
    Ancient people invented it, Gene just repackaged it. Actually in TAS, How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth, is a pure Ancient Alien episode, hidden slightly so as to not scare the kids. If you know the Ancient Alien lore, you see it quite vividly portrayed in that episode.

    Missing completely the fact that other writers wrote the actual episode stories for the most part, not Gene. :p
    Just because people take inspiration from other sources does not mean that I.E Indians invented Star Trek.

    Unless you want to Credit the Star Wars franchise to the ancient writers of the "Holy Bible". :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    Missing completely the fact that other writers wrote the actual episode stories for the most part, not Gene. :p
    Just because people take inspiration from other sources does not mean that I.E Indians invented Star Trek.

    Unless you want to Credit the Star Wars franchise to the ancient writers of the "Holy Bible". :p

    Not to mention that most the Ancient Alien theories are locked firmly in the psuedo-science categories at best, due to a tendency of some of its more popular proponents blatantly making up information, and ignoring data that contradicts their theories, as well as using cultural and archaeological data that is sometimes up to a century old and was created in an atmosphere of Caucasian Imperialism, both politically and socially. They do however make for great Science Fantasy foundations. Stargate played heavily from them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    Missing completely the fact that other writers wrote the actual episode stories for the most part, not Gene. :p
    Just because people take inspiration from other sources does not mean that I.E Indians invented Star Trek.

    Unless you want to Credit the Star Wars franchise to the ancient writers of the "Holy Bible". :p

    I would credit MANY other sources for the Star Wars franchise. I mean c'mon, good vs evil? Swords and sorcery? The Chosen one? Yoda modeled after the many elderly Asian martial arts masters and wisdom givers. Please....:(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    NemoSD wrote:
    Not to mention that most the Ancient Alien theories are locked firmly in the psuedo-science categories at best, due to a tendency of some of its more popular proponents blatantly making up information, and ignoring data that contradicts their theories, as well as using cultural and archaeological data that is sometimes up to a century old and was created in an atmosphere of Caucasian Imperialism, both politically and socially. They do however make for great Science Fantasy foundations. Stargate played heavily from them.

    Could you please cite some of the information that is made up and also cite the proof of it's falsity?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    exyle wrote: »
    Could you please cite some of the information that is made up and also cite the proof of it's falsity?

    Graham Hancock in his book Underworld cites a pre-columbian Bronze Mayan breastplate as evidence of Celtic/European influence in the New World prior to Columbus, and as a linking point.

    Why this is false:

    When Europeans land in the New World, gold and silver work are at very primitive levels. The Navajo have begun to mix tin and copper, but have not produced bronze yet. The only new world culture and the verge of discovering metallurgy and breaking into the bronze age is the Inca, which is cut short by the Spanish. So in short... a bronze breastplate pre-dating European contact of Mayan make is fiction at best, fraud at worst.

    Woodman, suggesting the Nazca lines could only be made from an aerial point of view suggested that the local peoples were taught how to build balloons so that they could make these navigational markers...

    Why this is false: While Woodman did prove that with the materials on hand, they could make a balloon, he could not prove the existence of the idea of flight, or evidence that such a craft was made, or that such knowledge was available. Using his argument, Neanderthal man made balloons, and a medieval miller probably had the wright flyer.

    The 'Space Ship' Hieroglyph: Abydos Egypt.

    Argue that the Egyptians recorded a UFO encounter.

    What actually is going on: The original Hieroglyphic text was overwritten by a later monument/tomb builder, and after time the fraze has broken in places and created a composite image that appears to a modern observer as an aircraft or spaceship.

    This is just off the top of my head...

    I gave it a serious consideration way back when when I first started to study Archeology, it was my duty as a scientist, but as I studied it more, it was all depending on 'magic' (dimension shifts that erase alien artifacts, but leave 'natural' materials untouched... this does of course fail to explain the lack of remains.) or ignoring proven facts to make the point.

    Far as I am concerned, Ancient Alien Theory is a Religion. Individuals believe in it, and that faith is fine, just don't expect non-believers to agree... and expect scientists to argue with them when they express their theory in flawed scientific arguments.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    exyle wrote: »

    Peyote' possibly?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Roach wrote: »
    Peyote' possibly?

    It is highly likely that Peyote, or other strong narcotic was used.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    What your looking at in that picture of ancient hieroglyphs. Is graffiti of the gangs marking there turf cause thats how they roll.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    NemoSD wrote:
    Far as I am concerned, Ancient Alien Theory is a Religion. Individuals believe in it, and that faith is fine, just don't expect non-believers to agree... and expect scientists to argue with them when they express their theory in flawed scientific arguments.

    It's not even a theory in the scientific sense of the term either. A theory would imply peer-reviewed research with either replicable proofs or replicable experiments demonstrating the veracity of the claims. Theories generally need one of those two.

    It's a colloquial or slang use"theory" whose usage is really just another word for conjecture.

    Also, what does this have to do with Star Trek Online again? :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Also, what does this have to do with Star Trek Online again? :)

    When does anything in Ten-Forward have to do with STO... ever? :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    It's not even a theory in the scientific sense of the term either. A theory would imply peer-reviewed research with either replicable proofs or replicable experiments demonstrating the veracity of the claims. Theories generally need one of those two.

    It's a colloquial or slang use"theory" whose usage is really just another word for conjecture.

    Also, what does this have to do with Star Trek Online again? :)

    Wow, you really have trouble extrapolating don't you? I just said in the original post, were American Indians the original Star Trek writers. STO is based on Star Trek. Was that too hard, should I go over it again?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    This is very weak. Debating a few points without citing your data to discredit an entire body of work and research is really stretching.
    Argue that the Egyptians recorded a UFO encounter.

    Who is arguing this? Cite your source.
    Far as I am concerned, Ancient Alien Theory is a Religion

    To say a religion is a theory is pretty strange. I don't see anyone refraining from eating certain food, engaging in rituals or refusing to marry someone based on their belief in ET's. I suggest you define what a religion is and then make your comparison.
    Woodman, suggesting the Nazca lines could only be made from an aerial point of view suggested that the local peoples were taught how to build balloons so that they could make these navigational markers...

    I've never heard this and what theory do you have as to how the tops of the mountains were cut off in such straight paths?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    exyle wrote: »
    This is very weak. Debating a few points without citing your data to discredit an entire body of work and research is really stretching.



    Who is arguing this? Cite your source.



    To say a religion is a theory is pretty strange. I don't see anyone refraining from eating certain food, engaging in rituals or refusing to marry someone based on their belief in ET's. I suggest you define what a religion is and then make your comparison.



    I've never heard this and what theory do you have as to how the tops of the mountains were cut off in such straight paths?

    How about this... I made a comment that a theory is psuedo-science, a popularly held belief through scientific circles. Among experts, the AA theory is considered false and incorrect. You then focus on the one claim which, as I mentioned was recalled off hand, without spending time scouring the interwebs for a source.

    So here is what I am going to do:

    If you want to argue this, show me your facts, your support and your proof. After all, I am arguing that your theory is incorrect, thus if you wish to defend your theory you should put forward information to defend instead of demanding the other party do all the work. If you want to debate scientifically, that is fine by me, burden of proof is in your court.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    exyle wrote: »
    Wow, you really have trouble extrapolating don't you? I just said in the original post, were American Indians the original Star Trek writers. STO is based on Star Trek. Was that too hard, should I go over it again?

    And I wasn't responding to you. ;)

    I had quoted NemoSD for a reason when I wrote my response.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    NemoSD wrote:
    How about this... I made a comment that a theory is psuedo-science, a popularly held belief through scientific circles. Among experts, the AA theory is considered false and incorrect. You then focus on the one claim which, as I mentioned was recalled off hand, without spending time scouring the interwebs for a source.

    So here is what I am going to do:

    If you want to argue this, show me your facts, your support and your proof. After all, I am arguing that your theory is incorrect, thus if you wish to defend your theory you should put forward information to defend instead of demanding the other party do all the work. If you want to debate scientifically, that is fine by me, burden of proof is in your court.

    There have been many drawings and depictions of ships and beings of extra terrestrial origin all over the world and at many times in history. Too many to discount the possibility that we have indeed been visited at some point, maybe more than once and maybe by more than one species. Drawings with too many similarities have appeared from Egyptian and American Indian long before the two cultures had even heard of each other. The "Grey" is a typical example of a picture found in many locations that simply could never have been in contact at the time the drawings were made. How would you account for multiple drawings depicting the same, obviously non human characters from locations on opposite sides of the globe at a time when a raft was probably the most advanced boat you would get?
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