I must say that I am the one holding up the flag of canon Star Trek (almost all my BOff's wearing the original uniforms etc. etc.) and i also dislike one or another thing in STO (much improved already, lets have a look at the ships and the oribtal dock, great work cryptic!), but a if it comes to a Fed carrier, I'd like to see the U.S.S. Typhon NX-85808 from Star Trek: Invasion. That concept with Valkyrie Fighters were great. I'd like to command a Valkyrie like in ST:I and have a similar feeling to it, engaging bigger ships in group, dogfights, etc etc. That would add a totally new playstyle to STO.
I know everyone is hating me now, but think about that -> even this isnt canon it could be a great idea. We already got Peregrine's in Star Trek universe, so why no Typhon and Valkyries? Even as "normal" carrier?
I like the idea.
I agree, I don't say that the Federation needs an exact copy of the Klingon carrier, instead it would be a "carrier" unique to the Federation in both it's build and abilities. Maybe it doesn't have as many hangers, maybe it's hull is less and it has more engineering bridge officers. Who knows, but one thing is for sure it would not be copying and pasting the Klingon's ship and it would not play like one either.
Let me see if I get this right. Hard canon is from the movies and TV shows and Soft canon is from after market things like games, books, etc. Correct?
Correct.. Mostly.
A book or comic can be considered canon if it has CBS (the IP holders) official endorsement as canon. And there are a few examples of it, the novel Mosaic, for example, by Jeri Taylor, is considered hard canon. But, CBS has never endorsed any written material that wasn't written by a staff Script writer or series producer. And even that's not a guarantee, the novelization of Star Trek the Motion Picture isn't even considered hard canon, and Gene fricken Roddenberry wrote it!
Soft canon has no bearing or authority, while CBS is adamant that anything they license follow the hard canon. So, barring a Star Trek show or movie depicting the Akira as a Carrier, it isn't one. End of story.
A book or comic can be considered canon if it has CBS (the IP holders) official endorsement as canon. And there are a few examples of it, the novel Mosaic, for example, by Jeri Taylor, is considered hard canon. But, CBS has never endorsed any written material that wasn't written by a staff Script writer or series producer. And even that's not a guarantee, the novelization of Star Trek the Motion Picture isn't even considered hard canon, and Gene fricken Roddenberry wrote it!
Soft canon has no bearing or authority, while CBS is adamant that anything they license follow the hard canon. So, barring a Star Trek show or movie depicting the Akira as a Carrier, it isn't one. End of story.
I just need some clarification, does Cryptic need CBS' permission to put things into the game? So if Cryptic made a ship they would have to submit it to CBS for approval?
Technically this entire game is either "soft canon" or "non-canon" by your definition, but does CBS' stamp make it "hard canon"?
Let me see if I get this right. Hard canon is from the movies and TV shows and Soft canon is from after market things like games, books, etc. Correct?
Does anyone here remember the board game Star Fleet Battles that first came out in the late 70's. It was a VERY detailed depicion of ship combat in the Star Trek Universe.
All of the races had carriers in that game. Though, not at first. I know some don't believe soft canon should not beget more soft canon but, hey. I'm open to it.
I have not played enough of the game yet to have a carrier with my Klingon (I hate the term Klink. Klink was a colonel on Hogan's Heroes.) character and my Fed is only a Rear Admiral Upper Half 2. I have also yet to see any in use as I have only PvP'd a little and plan to PvP a lot more.
Anyways, I'm starting to ramble...
By the way. Did I mention that I'm looking to join a fleet that will help train people in PvP?
Tactical Fleet Delta (TFD) trains PvP'ers. Get ahold of @rondk. He's the recruiter
I just need some clarification, does Cryptic need CBS' permission to put things into the game? So if Cryptic made a ship they would have to submit it to CBS for approval?
Technically this entire game is either "soft canon" or "non-canon" by your definition, but does CBS' stamp make it "hard canon"?
Quiiliitiila
CBS does have to approve any additions made to the game, but it's not the same kind of approval need to make soft canon into hard canon. The approval is basically a way of keeping Cryptic from gross violations of the canon, for example, Kirk is dead as a doornail, and Spock is in alternate timeline, no matter how much Cryptic may want to ret-conn them back into the prime storyline.
And as far as future Trek works go, the missions in STO, the ships in STO, the characters of STO, and the path to 2409 put forth by STO is all soft canon, and if it's done by anybody other than Atari & Cryptic, it's off limits, it might as well not exist.
Hard canon has to be internally consistent, or ret-conned by hard canon into consistency. Soft canon, even that approved by CBS, can (and often does) contradict itself, but luckily, it doesn't take precedence over hard canon.
CBS does have to approve any additions made to the game, but it's not the same kind of approval need to make soft canon into hard canon. The approval is basically a way of keeping Cryptic from gross violations of the canon, for example, Kirk is dead as a doornail, and Spock is in alternate timeline, no matter how much Cryptic may want to ret-conn them back into the prime storyline.
And as far as future Trek works go, the missions in STO, the ships in STO, the characters of STO, and the path to 2409 put forth by STO is all soft canon, and if it's done by anybody other than Atari & Cryptic, it's off limits, it might as well not exist.
Hard canon has to be internally consistent, or ret-conned by hard canon into consistency. Soft canon, even that approved by CBS, can (and often does) contradict itself, but luckily, it doesn't take precedence over hard canon.
Oh, I get it now. I was sorta told this before (the CBS thing) but no one really clarified it, thanks. :^D
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I agree, I don't say that the Federation needs an exact copy of the Klingon carrier, instead it would be a "carrier" unique to the Federation in both it's build and abilities. Maybe it doesn't have as many hangers, maybe it's hull is less and it has more engineering bridge officers. Who knows, but one thing is for sure it would not be copying and pasting the Klingon's ship and it would not play like one either.
Quiiliitiila
Correct.. Mostly.
A book or comic can be considered canon if it has CBS (the IP holders) official endorsement as canon. And there are a few examples of it, the novel Mosaic, for example, by Jeri Taylor, is considered hard canon. But, CBS has never endorsed any written material that wasn't written by a staff Script writer or series producer. And even that's not a guarantee, the novelization of Star Trek the Motion Picture isn't even considered hard canon, and Gene fricken Roddenberry wrote it!
Soft canon has no bearing or authority, while CBS is adamant that anything they license follow the hard canon. So, barring a Star Trek show or movie depicting the Akira as a Carrier, it isn't one. End of story.
I just need some clarification, does Cryptic need CBS' permission to put things into the game? So if Cryptic made a ship they would have to submit it to CBS for approval?
Technically this entire game is either "soft canon" or "non-canon" by your definition, but does CBS' stamp make it "hard canon"?
Quiiliitiila
Tactical Fleet Delta (TFD) trains PvP'ers. Get ahold of @rondk. He's the recruiter
CBS does have to approve any additions made to the game, but it's not the same kind of approval need to make soft canon into hard canon. The approval is basically a way of keeping Cryptic from gross violations of the canon, for example, Kirk is dead as a doornail, and Spock is in alternate timeline, no matter how much Cryptic may want to ret-conn them back into the prime storyline.
And as far as future Trek works go, the missions in STO, the ships in STO, the characters of STO, and the path to 2409 put forth by STO is all soft canon, and if it's done by anybody other than Atari & Cryptic, it's off limits, it might as well not exist.
Hard canon has to be internally consistent, or ret-conned by hard canon into consistency. Soft canon, even that approved by CBS, can (and often does) contradict itself, but luckily, it doesn't take precedence over hard canon.
Oh, I get it now. I was sorta told this before (the CBS thing) but no one really clarified it, thanks. :^D
Quiiliitiila
No problem.