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Bhavyy - Raging Tide · April 2015

http://mypers.pw/1.6/#105460
This is my current gear. I recently came back from a little under a year break. I popped back now and then. I feel archers are quite under powered but there are much better geared archers on the server. I want to know how much better does it get at end game?
Any end game archers I would welcome your opinion. There is this guy attackerV on our server and he seems to mop up very nicely but he is in a faction of some of the most OP on the server so idk if his videos are just good team play or from actually being a good DD. Just wondering since I'm thinking about putting the coins into another class on another server instead.

Eoria - Harshlands · April 2015

It's not gonna get that much better for you without full jades and either a AEU/WS/3 or 4 S card set which will be billions. For that price, you could just make an entirely new class.

But I guess it comes down to...do you want to spend months getting a new character up to near what your archer has already in terms of just daily stuff done or continue with archer that isn't exactly that good of a class, but will still be able to do mass pvp okay at least.

Asterelle - Sanctuary · April 2015

With how expensive it is to upgrade anything at that gear level Id either pick a better class or pick a better game. Investing billions to squeeze a bit more out of an Archer feels like a big waste. You can do it for ocd completionist sake but it doesn't suddenly preform well. You'll still probably get rolled by +10 on the new classes.

Bhavyy - Raging Tide · April 2015

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

It's not gonna get that much better for you without full jades and either a AEU/WS/3 or 4 S card set which will be billions. For that price, you could just make an entirely new class.

But I guess it comes down to...do you want to spend months getting a new character up to near what your archer has already in terms of just daily stuff done or continue with archer that isn't exactly that good of a class, but will still be able to do mass pvp okay at least.

What about deities?
I got a couple of S cards I can't wear because of leadership. I feel like getting S soulprime and Lifeprime cards is not that difficult..

Eoria - Harshlands · April 2015

Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »

What about deities?
I got a couple of S cards I can't wear because of leadership. I feel like getting S soulprime and Lifeprime cards is not that difficult..

Deities pretty much shout "please kill me first because I am squishy and deal a ton of damage if left alone". Besides, you can just buy dots if they're cheaper and convert deities into jades.

And at this point, you kinda need a card set on an archer. Not just random A cards or S cards. Like, honestly, as a cleric, I only really fear the two archers on my server that have card sets (Portal and Twin Stars+Elf Generals respectively). Everyone else is pretty much just an eventual purge if left alone to me. p;

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver · April 2015

At the current state of the game with the new classes and their buffs nerfing archers to the ground, unless the archer out gears most of the server you're basically just going to be cannon fodder. If my archer wasn't like the second/third best geared on server I would reroll main, it's basically endgame with josd/deities and 1113 spirit with ink-dragons blood. There's nothing more I can do on it so I'm spending the coin I make on alts (r9rr sin working on deities and cards, and leveling a SB/DB most likely going r9rr on the DB)

The new classes are seriously game changing, a Stormbringer with r9rr+10 wep and basic A cards with a three skill combo can one shot my alt sin which has gear similar to your archer. In 1v1 sure you can react etc but SBs are pretty much built for mass pvp and generate more chi than even sins, 4 spark chi skill with a 90 second cooldown.. rip awaken.

Try out the new classes, because you'll need at least 7 billion coins if not more to get it to a level where you aren't just a ranged purger. Duskblades will be one of those classes that no one will know how to play properly for a while, and there are so many r9rr Stormbringers running around now, so I'm working on a leveling up a DB.

tl:dr If Archers weren't an obsolete class already they sure are now, and I would strongly advise against starting one or re-endgaming one.

Bhavyy - Raging Tide · April 2015

Hm just as I thought but this is still really sad to read.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Deities pretty much shout "please kill me first because I am squishy and deal a ton of damage if left alone". Besides, you can just buy dots if they're cheaper and convert deities into jades.

How else is an archer supposed to kill anything...
From what i've seen if yo ucan hit about 7K on people per hit you can usually drop them. Between 5-6K you should still be okay. Anything less and you probably struggle. Damage seems to be the main real issue I have with archers. Other than that I think it just comes down to self buffs.

Eoria - Harshlands · April 2015

Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »

How else is an archer supposed to kill anything...

DarkSkies basically already gave you your answer, but it's by out-gearing the **** out of everyone. b:surrender

@DarkSkies ~ DB feels like the mystic of this expansion while SB is the seeker, in terms of popularity and other things.

PatsyBanger - Archosaur · April 2015

Pwi has a way of eliminating the worth of toons.I myself like a good archer but i see duskblades point completely. Barbs are about the same way. They have done nothing for us to compete with the upgrades of other classes. In primal we got ganked for real and they gave us stand up skils. WTF how many barbs even use those unless in nw. Pwi needs to do a far better job of toon equality or we will all be duskblades and stormbringers

Eoria - Harshlands · April 2015

PatsyBanger - Archosaur wrote: »

Pwi has a way of eliminating the worth of toons.I myself like a good archer but i see duskblades point completely. Barbs are about the same way. They have done nothing for us to compete with the upgrades of other classes. In primal we got ganked for real and they gave us stand up skils. WTF how many barbs even use those unless in nw. Pwi needs to do a far better job of toon equality or we will all be duskblades and stormbringers

>complaining about primal barb skills, wutttttttttt

opkossy · April 2015

PatsyBanger - Archosaur wrote: »

Pwi has a way of eliminating the worth of toons.I myself like a good archer but i see duskblades point completely. Barbs are about the same way. They have done nothing for us to compete with the upgrades of other classes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

Bhavyy - Raging Tide · April 2015

PatsyBanger - Archosaur wrote: »

Barbs are about the same way. They have done nothing for us to compete with the upgrades of other classes.

No. Just no.
A barb with this kind of gear would not only be easy to play but would probably kill more people in PK.

CANUS_MAJOR - Archosaur · April 2015

PatsyBanger - Archosaur wrote: »

Pwi has a way of eliminating the worth of toons.I myself like a good archer but i see duskblades point completely. Barbs are about the same way. They have done nothing for us to compete with the upgrades of other classes. In primal we got ganked for real and they gave us stand up skils. WTF how many barbs even use those unless in nw. Pwi needs to do a far better job of toon equality or we will all be duskblades and stormbringers

Patsy I can't tell if your serious or not in regards to barbs b:shocked

Kuroimist - Archosaur · April 2015

PatsyBanger - Archosaur wrote: »

Pwi has a way of eliminating the worth of toons.I myself like a good archer but i see duskblades point completely. Barbs are about the same way. They have done nothing for us to compete with the upgrades of other classes. In primal we got ganked for real and they gave us stand up skils. WTF how many barbs even use those unless in nw. Pwi needs to do a far better job of toon equality or we will all be duskblades and stormbringers

I think this its the theme song regarding barb primal skills, no offence. b:surrender

attackerv · April 2015

my two cents

1) in pwi, gear >> class. 10k-golds toon always beats 7k-golds toon. if u split 10k golds make two 5k-golds toons. both toons, no matter what class, will fail to 7k-golds toon. So, make all ur effort on one toon if u planning go OP.

2) To end-game class, In my opinion, archer is a best class in a big TW but worst class in west gate pvp. so depend on what to you want to do for ur main, TW? NW? 1.vs.1? west gate pvp?

3) In pwi, pvp is actually a gear race. all of what u really care is how to earn coin in game until ur heavy cashshop.

4) rerolling an toon, u need consider 105X3 lvl, primary and morai daily, collecting all skills, r9rr mold et al. It is a timing consume. those time, may be worth another 1k gold.

XXHotXx - Morai · April 2015

archer fell so behind respect other classes cause their DPS got overnerfed and their anti-CC got overnerfed as well

i really don't get all this hype around DBs and SBs, duskblades have a nice shotcalling potential in mass pvp but they are ridicolously squishy, they can't do the "shotcalling" job safely like barbs do therefore they are kind of relegated to buff hoes

SBs are ranged mag DPS class, the DPS is nice but not as good as mystics or clerics or psys, and they are terribly squishy to any other class with clues

consider that all their "perhaps-op" CC debuff amp spam doesn't work on sage tidal, well still sins >all of them

returning in topic, if you really love your elf, go for a card set but consider that imo archer role now is full josd to sustain "aps-celestial sword spam" "purge-poke" support so not sure if worth

and alone can't kill ****, but still you got wog IG barrage in TWs which is nice

if you want to reroll you can choose any other class and it would be better, but consider that anything at endgame with less than 55k base damage struggles to kill target

Evryn - Morai · April 2015

For PvP roll a storm or dusk. Or wait a year and a half until the seventh race makes those obsolete. Sarcasm? Nope, just observing the trend...

Slewdem - Dreamweaver · April 2015

join the rest make one of the new class when you go out west it will basically be that class out there looking for pvp..b:laugh or thug it out with your archer.. if you got the patience to relevel do dailies, titles and meridians go for itb:surrender

attackerv · April 2015

when very OP, class difference only worth about 500-1k golds, depend on what gear lvl and situation.

However, a close-to-endgame toon should be about 8k-10k golds, consider time consume. Class difference is nothing.

Like me, I making a full +12 buff psy for my archer. it worths about 2.5-3K golds.

anyway, go OP have to focus on 1 toon, class is nothing.

Your toon is about 2K golds ( considering time consume). if u invest another 2K golds to reroll a new class, won't be better than your archer , if u put ur 2k golds to make a 4K-golds worth archer.

if u just want 1.vs.1, archer is bad. u may give up.

But if for TW, u should keep going archer. For NW, archer is still ok.

For PVE, R9 is a waste, unsaying endgame...

Sint - Harshlands · April 2015

attackerv wrote: »

when very OP, class difference only worth about 500-1k golds, depend on what gear lvl and situation.

However, a close-to-endgame toon should be about 8k-10k golds, consider time consume. Class difference is nothing.

Like me, I making a full +12 buff psy for my archer. it worths about 2.5-3K golds.

anyway, go OP have to focus on 1 toon, class is nothing.

Your toon is about 2K golds ( considering time consume). if u invest another 2K golds to reroll a new class, won't be better than your archer , if u put ur 2k golds to make a 4K-golds worth archer.

if u just want 1.vs.1, archer is bad. u may give up.

But if for TW, u should keep going archer. For NW, archer is still ok.

For PVE, R9 is a waste, unsaying endgame...

Give me a 5k gold barb/bm/sin/SB/DB/wiz/psy/seek/maybe cleric/mystic and I'll wreck every 10k gold archer I can find.

The difference between 10k and 5k, barring really good luck, is simply a greater likelihood of having a 4S card set.

attackerv · April 2015

Sint - Harshlands wrote: »

Give me a 5k gold barb/bm/sin/SB/DB/wiz/psy/seek/maybe cleric/mystic and I'll wreck every 10k gold archer I can find.

The difference between 10k and 5k, barring really good luck, is simply a greater likelihood of having a 4S card set.

u don't consider basic toon value. the difference between 5kgold toon and 10k toon is not 4S card set. it is （full josd/deity + full exp S cards). .VS. (trash shards + free A cards ). It is far beyond class difference.

5kgold, u can't reroll a decent new pvp toon at all. unsaying 3X105, median, full sky lvl, cele, morai skill, nuema those need about half year (1 hour each day) to finalize them.

5k-gold toon is very weak atm.

R9rr (500)+full12refine (350*10)+NW tome(1k)=5k.

if 3k more

G16 NW necklace (400) + G16 NW ring(100) +fulldeity/josd(2400)+NWr9ring(100) =3k

2k more

each S card is 200gold, full exp need 100gold. average, 2k gold can get 4 right slot S and full exp. other 2 slot just wrong S. if lucky, full exp S card.

Therefore, 10kgold toon = old endgame toon+full exp S, that is basical a top gear toon in server

5kgold toon = full+12 R9rr+NW tome,

Poopinpanto - Heavens Tear · April 2015

b:chuckle I still laugh at the amount of money people put in this daily quest game.b:pleased

Sint - Harshlands · June 2015

attackerv wrote: »

u don't consider basic toon value. the difference between 5kgold toon and 10k toon is not 4S card set. it is （full josd/deity + full exp S cards). .VS. (trash shards + free A cards ). It is far beyond class difference.

5kgold, u can't reroll a decent new pvp toon at all. unsaying 3X105, median, full sky lvl, cele, morai skill, nuema those need about half year (1 hour each day) to finalize them.

5k-gold toon is very weak atm.

R9rr (500)+full12refine (350*10)+NW tome(1k)=5k.

if 3k more

G16 NW necklace (400) + G16 NW ring(100) +fulldeity/josd(2400)+NWr9ring(100) =3k

2k more

each S card is 200gold, full exp need 100gold. average, 2k gold can get 4 right slot S and full exp. other 2 slot just wrong S. if lucky, full exp S card.

Therefore, 10kgold toon = old endgame toon+full exp S, that is basical a top gear toon in server

5kgold toon = full+12 R9rr+NW tome,

You're not counting promo timing/ merching in the half year I'll be busy with lvling and farming anyway, and the fact that, if it's an alt, you can recycle some of the most expensive pieces. Your upgrade order is also hands down ****.

With promo timing, 5k gold = about 67 free 10*s and 100 S Packs, + enough event gold to do your basic refining pretty much for free. So yes, I can get a full +11 Jaded barbarian with decent cards for 5k gold, and it will own a 10k gold archer each, every and all day.

Eirghan - Sanctuary · June 2015

Sint - Harshlands wrote: »

, I can get a full +11 Jaded barbarian with decent cards for 5k gold, and it will own a 10k gold archer each, every and all day.

Come to sanctuary. We need cata barbs b:pleased

Sint - Harshlands · June 2015

Eirghan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Come to sanctuary. We need cata barbs b:pleased

I don't actually CS, and I don't actually play a barb. Don't plan to start doing either. As we've been pointing out ad nauseam in one of the other threads somewhere, archers are just ridiculously gimpy. (Duskblades appear to have been made specifically to hardcounter archers, and just about everything that isn't AA is a default win if even close to equal gear.) Which is one of the reasons you can beat top rank archers with much less money in gear. The other reason is simply that gear improvement suffers from diminishing returns. Quite obviously, unless you're particularly obtuse, you'll start spending at the cheapest improvement per dollar spent. As you carry on doing this, only the expensive upgrades are left.

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