Seeker transposition glitch is legal?

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

Can we get stuck in terrain, yep. Can seekers switch locations with their enemies, yep. Was the skill implemented with full knowledge that we can get stuck in terrain, definitely yes.

While I appreciate your logic and the support for your statement I think there are a few key points missing.

-snip-. While the developers may have known that it’s possible to get yourself (inadvertently or on purpose) stuck in the graphics, they very likely were not aware that this would cause an entrapment for any player other than your own and therefore they believed there would be no point in exploiting this flaw in the game.

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

On the point of the part in the TOS where it's illegal to interfere with a players gameplay, that's kinda sketchy in PvP arenas like TW and NW.

Firstly, the exact wording of the TOS is: "using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players" (http://www.arcgames.com/en/about/terms)
While it is legal to affect other players through normal game play, it is not in alignment with the terms of service to exploit bugs or design flaws. As stated above.

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

By that logic spawn camping is also impeding a player's ability to play, and there's no strong persuasion to have that practice end. I'm not saying in any way that I approve of landscaping as a tactic, but it could be considered as much of a "tactic" as spawn camping is considered a "tactic" by some; unsportsmanlike as it is.

Spawn killing, though unpleasant, is legal because it can occur through normal controlled skills and movements within gameplay. I can spawn kill you by moving my character in the valid gameplay arena and use gameplay skills to spawn kill you. Developers know about this probability and this is why in NW we have a short IG effect to allow us time to have a charm tick/buff and get back to battle.
The reason transpositioning targets half way out of the gameplay area is illegal: it is NOT a normal part of game play. How do we know this? There is no way to get behind the graphics or through them without specific combinations of skills or movements to cause this “glitch”. There is also no way for a player to become completely trapped and immobilized for an infinite amount of time that is inescapable except for logging out or teleporting or dying any other way. This situation is the exception.
This situation points out that it most likely is possible for a seeker to entrap themselves in the terrain and theoretically transposition a target to become entrapped instead of themselves. While it is legal to trap yourself in terrain all you want, it becomes illegal the moment you are causing this effect on another player, specifically to benefit.

If we agree that becoming trapped in the graphics is not an intentional design of the game, (PWI, Free to Play, Free to get stuck in the ground and never move ever again!) then we can agree that making purposeful movements to trap others as a strategy is an exploit (definition: make full use of and derive benefit from [a resource]). I think it also goes without saying that having your opponents permanently unable to move is an advantage.

If we can agree that trapping other players purposefully to gain an advantage is an exploit, then looking at the what the TOS states, ("using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players") I am pretty sure we can agree that this action is against the TOS and therefore considered "illegal".

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

I doubt this issue will ever be on the PWI troubleshooting radar.

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

While the developers may have known that it’s possible to get stuck in the graphics…

This seems contradictory. And this subject already is on their radar. Please see this link. https://support.arcgames.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1644/p/2/c/387

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

By "Illegal" I'm assuming most people would define that in PWI terms as "Something that could get you banned", and based on the posts of others in this thread, things like this have been going on for years without action taken.

Yeah unfortunately this is the heart of it. While PWE has rules and a terms of service, (Meet these terms or we deny you service) they for whatever reason do not or are not able to enforce them, or do so only very rarely. They seem to push issues to Wanmei when in reality from a customer service stand point they should be handling the TOS issues as separate from game glitches.

It's an exploit. When it happens report it.

This thread's clearly moving away from that and people condoning the use of exploits need to stop. The forums aren't the game.