*The maximum inventory size has been increased from 64 slots to 80.

Wolfxwood - Sanctuary · March 2015

*The maximum inventory size has been increased from 64 slots to 80. Note that due to a bug, players who have used a Super Inventory Stone will be unable to increase their inventory beyond 64 slots. This issue will be resolved in a future patch; the Super Inventory Stone has thus been temporarily removed from the store until that time."

if i used the super inventory stone before the update will i get the the 80 spots once its patched or do i need to buy more stones? later?

war34child · March 2015

Wolfxwood - Sanctuary wrote: »

*The maximum inventory size has been increased from 64 slots to 80. Note that due to a bug, players who have used a Super Inventory Stone will be unable to increase their inventory beyond 64 slots. This issue will be resolved in a future patch; the Super Inventory Stone has thus been temporarily removed from the store until that time."

if i used the super inventory stone before the update will i get the the 80 spots once its patched or do i need to buy more stones? later?

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=22351161&postcount=16

Tbh idc how they handle it, as long as they don't mess it up and delete accidentally items (which are stored in inventory) while upgrading.

zoner112012 · March 2015

war34child wrote: »

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=22351161&postcount=16

Tbh idc how they handle it, as long as they don't mess it up and delete accidentally items (which are stored in inventory) while upgrading.

This doesn't really answer the question OP asked. Sadly I don't believe there IS an answer yet for this question (or many other questions people have asked of GMs lately). I would like to hope that since I used a Super inventory stone in the past that I automatically get the new max inventory size. But knowing PWE....they will ask me to buy another item. If that is the case I will be submitting and ticket asking that they give me said item since I have already purchased an item from them stating that I will have the max bag size.

Zoldi - Morai · March 2015

I would obviously like if my bag is automatically upgraded to 80 without having to buy new items.
But I don't think it will be the case and I don't really see where would be the problem.
The people that bought the item knew they would get 64 slots and when PWE decided to sell the item (and chose it's price) it was for 64 slots not 80.
The price for the new (mega)super inventory stone will very probably be higher.

That being said, we need more space because of unstashable items or items that exist in 3 or 4 different versions. So this would be fair if PWE gives an inventory stone for free to every toon... (inventory should be bigger when the toon is created).

war34child · March 2015

zoner112012 wrote: »

This doesn't really answer the question OP asked.

You got it right, the answer is that there is no answer yet.

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

That being said, we need more space because of unstashable items or items that exist in 3 or 4 different versions. So this would be fair if PWE gives an inventory stone for free to every toon... (inventory should be bigger when the toon is created).

I'm sure they made 3-4 different version of the same item just for this reason: they WANT you to buy inventory and banker "stones" from boutique.
So many times I don't feel gifted and just annoyed about the "free" items you get (e.g. the attendance shieet. You always have to visit a NPC to get rid of this **** since it's even not droppable.

If they would like to do us a favor they would just decrease the cool down of the town portal skill to 1min instead of giving us a ton of different Teleport Incenses. Even the new daily event gives just another new version instead of a Teleport Stone which stacks with others.

zoner112012 · March 2015

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

I would obviously like if my bag is automatically upgraded to 80 without having to buy new items.
But I don't think it will be the case and I don't really see where would be the problem.
The people that bought the item knew they would get 64 slots and when PWE decided to sell the item (and chose it's price) it was for 64 slots not 80.
The price for the new (mega)super inventory stone will very probably be higher.

That being said, we need more space because of unstashable items or items that exist in 3 or 4 different versions. So this would be fair if PWE gives an inventory stone for free to every toon... (inventory should be bigger when the toon is created).

One could easily argue that the item you bought specifically says it increases it to the max size and therefor if they increase the max size we should also get said increase. I already paid PWE my money to get the item to increase my inventory to max size and if that changes I will argue that I want the increase too.

SerenityMare - Dreamweaver · March 2015

war34child wrote: »

Tbh idc how they handle it, as long as they don't mess it up and delete accidentally items (which are stored in inventory) while upgrading.

LOL, it really has come to that... hoping they're not so bad at their jobs to the point where they might do that. I won't even be surprised if that happens. b:laugh

Misturo - Sanctuary · March 2015

SerenityMare - Dreamweaver wrote: »

LOL, it really has come to that... hoping they're not so bad at their jobs to the point where they might do that. I won't even be surprised if that happens. b:laugh

Keep the most important things in bank if you can before they patch and that way you may not lose at least the most important things.. let's hope we'd lose nothing. I already got annoyed by losing the crystals from events. Oh well..

ovenusarmanio · March 2015

zoner112012 wrote: »

One could easily argue that the item you bought specifically says it increases it to the max size and therefor if they increase the max size we should also get said increase. I already paid PWE my money to get the item to increase my inventory to max size and if that changes I will argue that I want the increase too.

You did receive the max size at time of purchase. The latest iphone will only be the latest til the new one comes out, but any advertising now saying you can have all the latest stuff would not be dishonest. Same difference, the item didn't say it would be max size in perpetuity. Whether or not they give us the upgrade remains to be seen. Past items it did work, such as the geography map. So chances aren't that bad that those of us who purchased the super inventory stone will get the 80 eventually. But I doubt they will hand them out to us via ticket if doesn't work out that way.

alexanade · March 2015

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

You did receive the max size at time of purchase. The latest iphone will only be the latest til the new one comes out, but any advertising now saying you can have all the latest stuff would not be dishonest. Same difference, the item didn't say it would be max size in perpetuity. Whether or not they give us the upgrade remains to be seen. Past items it did work, such as the geography map. So chances aren't that bad that those of us who purchased the super inventory stone will get the 80 eventually. But I doubt they will hand them out to us via ticket if doesn't work out that way.

uhm...odd reference , cuz after a lot of time(2 years...3 maybe) can say we bought the final product(super inv stone) but i see your point , hope they give us something b:chuckle

Reliea - Sanctuary · March 2015

Unfortunately I feel I assumed that they would increase the basic size of the inventory bag, pre-inventory expansion stone, to compensate for the plethora of extra non tradeable non stashable items the game has now, and that the error came from the game not taking into consideration the players who used an advanced inventory stone item already.
I didn't consider that they might want us to buy another cash shop item to take advantage of it, or require us to buy the same cash shop item again to update it to the currently increased status.
Shame on me b:cry

Father_gold - Sanctuary · March 2015

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

You did receive the max size at time of purchase. The latest iphone will only be the latest til the new one comes out, but any advertising now saying you can have all the latest stuff would not be dishonest. Same difference, the item didn't say it would be max size in perpetuity. Whether or not they give us the upgrade remains to be seen. Past items it did work, such as the geography map. So chances aren't that bad that those of us who purchased the super inventory stone will get the 80 eventually. But I doubt they will hand them out to us via ticket if doesn't work out that way.

i would agree but your example doesnt make good sense to this scenario. the item states that it increases storage to the maximum allowed slots, it doesnt specify a specific number of slots. it does mention what the current max is but that has no bearing on the description as printed. if they change what the max is, it is unfair and pretty wrong to force us to buy more items to expand.

my stance this depends regarding how they plan to implement it. if they expect us to buy a new max stone that works the same for us as much as theirs without maxed inventory then i will rant and rage to high hell. if we will be required to use normal invnetory stone to reach max 80 i will be also very mad unless they discounted that item temporarily and even then i wil still be grumpy.

i have expanded inventory on all 8 toons on my account and 2 on my shop, any remedy would have to be able to detect max inventories as the normal one per account is not adequate. just giving us those extra 2 rows for free would be the most reasonable ( however least profitable) remedy. (or maybe allowing for free rows via bank quest but again that is even less profitable)

all in all the new max stone will probably have fixed verbiage to prevent this sort of argument but the old item can't be so easily swept under the rug. i definitely will be making a ticket regarding this if they choose to stick us with an unfair option to achieve max storage.

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Deceptistar - Sanctuary · March 2015

wait so when is this applied? >.>

Father_gold - Sanctuary · March 2015

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

wait so when is this applied? >.>

apparently the inventory max size is active but if you used the old max inventory stone you are unable to surpass 64, that is why they removed the max inv stone. the only way to get there is with the normal inv stones currently but that is not economical

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · March 2015

Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »

apparently the inventory max size is active but if you used the old max inventory stone you are unable to surpass 64, that is why they removed the max inv stone. the only way to get there is with the normal inv stones currently but that is not economical

does it matter if you used the old max inventory stone before OR after that supposed maintenance??

or is it that if you used the max inventory anytime past or present then your f@@ked till they put in the 'fix' bazillion years later?

Zoldi - Morai · March 2015

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

does it matter if you used the old max inventory stone before OR after that supposed maintenance??

or is it that if you used the max inventory anytime past or present then your f@@ked till they put in the 'fix' bazillion years later?

This was not possible to use the old stone after last update because they removed it. But if you used it in the past you can't increase more for the moment.
One GM said on this forum that they're working on it.

zoner112012 · March 2015

Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »

i would agree but your example doesnt make good sense to this scenario. the item states that it increases storage to the maximum allowed slots, it doesnt specify a specific number of slots. it does mention what the current max is but that has no bearing on the description as printed. if they change what the max is, it is unfair and pretty wrong to force us to buy more items to expand.

my stance this depends regarding how they plan to implement it. if they expect us to buy a new max stone that works the same for us as much as theirs without maxed inventory then i will rant and rage to high hell. if we will be required to use normal invnetory stone to reach max 80 i will be also very mad unless they discounted that item temporarily and even then i wil still be grumpy.

i have expanded inventory on all 8 toons on my account and 2 on my shop, any remedy would have to be able to detect max inventories as the normal one per account is not adequate. just giving us those extra 2 rows for free would be the most reasonable ( however least profitable) remedy. (or maybe allowing for free rows via bank quest but again that is even less profitable)

all in all the new max stone will probably have fixed verbiage to prevent this sort of argument but the old item can't be so easily swept under the rug. i definitely will be making a ticket regarding this if they choose to stick us with an unfair option to achieve max storage.

Very well said +1

Father_gold - Sanctuary · March 2015

to me it is part of my gripe of how PWE handles customer service. i understand the playerbase kind of takes advantage of any sort of kindness from PWE but I feel in a sense of professionalism and customer service, PWE support is severely lacking in having an intention to perform their jobs in a fashion that cultivates and encourages positive feedback from their customers (mostly cash shoppas, but free players too)

we know the game is not perfect but there is a reason it has lasted and continues. pointing at ToS and defending unfair policies with ToS increases negative feedback and ppls' recklessness in violating ToS.

if support and those who make marketing decisions made decisions to manage customer relations and not just look for money.... they would make more money.

like this scenario, accept that implementation of the item is screwy and use a tactic that cheats the players less, and in response the players will spend more because it is to their advantage to do so.

history however, proves that decisions often lean more towards a situation that forces players into transactions they dont want in order to obtain things they want, meaning players closer to dealing without are more likely to actually deal without.

it seems i can apply this logic to almost any PWE <-> customer interaction, which is sad.

Evryn - Morai · March 2015

Cool it guys. Knowing PWE they'll probably do the same thing like what happened for people who've used that waypoint map gimmick - as more waypoints get added, the people who've used it in the past automatically get those too.
I bet you'll automatically get the extra inventory extension with an automatic "followup quest" method if you've used the super stone in the past. They'll have to do it that way since you can't use a super stone twice, the quest for it is a one-time item.

Father_gold - Sanctuary · March 2015

that is not a guarantee though.

but what you said is exactly what i hope will happen.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · March 2015

thats like.... seriously about what 3/4th of the server used super expansion stones -.-

surtr · March 2015

sontzu wrote: »

I'm also curious to know how this will affect super inventory/cage stones bought but not yet used. I would be quite cross if these items suddenly became unusable

It would increase your inventory/pet bag to the old maximum size and render you unable to increase it past that, just as if you'd used it before the patch.

Zoldi - Morai · March 2015

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

Cool it guys. Knowing PWE they'll probably do the same thing like what happened for people who've used that waypoint map gimmick - as more waypoints get added, the people who've used it in the past automatically get those too.
I bet you'll automatically get the extra inventory extension with an automatic "followup quest" method if you've used the super stone in the past. They'll have to do it that way since you can't use a super stone twice, the quest for it is a one-time item.

We'll see once it will be fixed (would be great to get some updates on that by the way), but you can't really compare the case of inventory slots and geographical maps in my opinion. Without even mentionning that this map is now free in the golden chest.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · March 2015

Surtr wrote: »

It would increase your inventory/pet bag to the old maximum size and render you unable to increase it past that, just as if you'd used it before the patch.

you could mention to your co-staff that there would be a good number of pple that would pay gold to expand our storages bank/inventory/accnt stash to like say 100? >_>

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Father_gold - Sanctuary · March 2015

sontzu wrote: »

I'm confused... are you saying this will be the case even after a future patch to "unlock" the new maximum size for people who have previously used these items?

that is exactly what he is saying. they removed the old super inventory stone because the item prevents expanding storage to the new max. they are going to release a *NEW* item, probably with a slightly diff name ( i think they already said it in a news post) that will work correctly. so if you have a stone do no use it.

somebody else mentioned the associated quests, so it seem they need to play around with quests to address both problems. they can use a quest to capture all the people who have already used a stone, and increase those inventories already "maxed". they can also just make a new quest to hit max straight from unaltered inventory size( or just for those who have not used a max stone)

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StellaNova - Raging Tide · March 2015

Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »

that is exactly what he is saying. they removed the old super inventory stone because the item prevents expanding storage to the new max. they are going to release a *NEW* item, probably with a slightly diff name ( i think they already said it in a news post) that will work correctly. so if you have a stone do no use it.

somebody else mentioned the associated quests, so it seem they need to play around with quests to address both problems. they can use a quest to capture all the people who have already used a stone, and increase those inventories already "maxed". they can also just make a new quest to hit max straight from unaltered inventory size( or just for those who have not used a max stone)

so basicly pwe/china just screws everyone who ever paid for and used a super inventory stone on a account. "Nice" way to make more dollars of the same ppl. Wont win any popularity contest for sure b:surrender

@sontzu
yup, kinda sounds like my thoughts the last months... do i want to pay for the next thing broken...

Father_gold - Sanctuary · March 2015

StellaNova - Raging Tide wrote: »

so basicly pwe/china just screws everyone who ever paid for and used a super inventory stone on a account. "Nice" way to make more dollars of the same ppl. Wont win any popularity contest for sure b:surrender

@sontzu
yup, kinda sounds like my thoughts the last months... do i want to pay for the next thing broken...

actually no, that is not the case.

if they were going to **** us then they would have already done so, but the statement as it goes is that they pulled the item so more people would not use it and be in the same predicament. it is a matter of bad coding so to speak.

i am normally very skeptical about anything PWE but this situation is kind of hopeful at best, they have to release a different item for us in order to reach the max 80 in one shot. the door is still open to "fix" the issue of the old item not being compatible with the change. in fact, it is more likely they will correct the issue without us having to buy the new item and we have already speculated on the possible avenues to do that since we know what the problem is.

surtr · March 2015

sontzu wrote: »

I'm confused... are you saying this will be the case even after a future patch to "unlock" the new maximum size for people who have previously used these items?

I'm saying that if you currently have an unused Super Inventory Stone or Super Cage, that's what would happen if you used it now.

We still don't have anything to announce regarding the details of our future plans, but as soon as we do I'll be sharing it.

*The maximum inventory size has been increased from 64 slots to 80.

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