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eland20 wrote: »

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1.8k personal credits? ahem.....

"GANK LIGHT!" much on your server's WC?b:chuckle

eland20 wrote: »

yes thats what you get when you are a noob and do 10 damage on other while receiving 100k hits

I highlighted the source of your issue. Even post New Horizons genuine low levels who aren't twinked out the wazoo can do okay in NW.... if the person behind the character knows the game very well and doesn't get in over their heads.

As for the map, yeah that's what happens when you let a nation get away with that. People tend to be blind to the obvious and only scramble to stop it near the end when it's already too late (if they bother at all). That has less to do with balance and more to do with how people are though. b:chuckle

Yeah your right we don't care because most of us have farmed or cashed for the stuff.And asking for balance between r9 and g16,good luck because your kinda like asking to make a racing motor bike go the same speed as a bicycle.

But yeah the NW numbers do look pathetic.NW should have been designed as a server vs server competition or have people join another order or have it a random order from some kinda quest to where you only join fire,light,dark and whatever else everytime you do NW.

bleh whocares I only do NW when I need to do it,wich is like maybe 1 time a month.

My barb is G16 +4-5 on armor and no refine on weapon, and i can still hold my own well enough to get 12-16k credit per NW. my cleric is only S2 +4 and manages 8k on a low average. Sin is APS build no refines and makes same points as cleric. Also i hardly ever use Jones or O'malleys blessing. even if your outgeared you do get points for dying.
The trick to make dying alot an advantage to get more points in NW is look for battles with more Pk in it as that will result in more points in the end, or if you are lucky enough to find one, go for a battle you know there wont be any enemies coming into cause it's blocked and attempt to solo it. Crystals or Capture the flag are good choices for the latter and i have made over 1k points in battles i soloed, but if you die alot you can make anywhere from 500 to over 1k points in battles with lots of pk in it.
the other factor in points and your ranking in the battle is determined by your Soulforce. to get more soulforce refine your gear.
hope this helps

OPKossy wrote: »

You notice how I mentioned post the recent expansion and actual LOW LEVELS in my post? That's because I still NW on sub-100 non RB characters and the lowest I'll get is 5k credits... if I join halfway through the NW, get in a bad nation, and decide I don't feel like trying much.

You're not gonna compete with endgame players blow for blow when you aren't endgame yourself... but that should be extraordinarily obvious to anyone using common sense. If you're going to attempt that, then you're already starting off on the wrong foot unless you're doing it just for the fun of it. On the other hand, if you're doing it just for fun you aren't going to expect to compete blow for blow and wouldn't consider failing to do so as a balance problem.
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Yep, I have a non-RB Psy that's around level 70. Mostly I go into the flag maps, stay on the edges, and pick off people running away from someone else. b:chuckle

Usually get around 9k credits on her, just wish I was awake more often for NW.

eland20 wrote: »

Yes i am a noob gear wise.
i used a level 101 none rb BM with aps armor and g16 weapons.
I strongly disagree with you about that someone with normal armor can compete with r9rr,
if you really beleive what you saying then i have to think that you didnt play in the last 2 years.

The problem is certain classes do fair a hell of a lot better than others do in the exact same gear. (Skills available, etc) - Though in the end it is true that each class can get decent personal credits if played right, I know I could get a decent 7kish personal credits on my bm when I did play it in nw.

One thing that I realize with my bm that I know I did NOT need to do with ANY other class despite being in similar gear... is that I didn't have to use apo for chi, and defenses just to get near every once in a while and to actually be able to do something other than just die as soon as my apo wears off due to not having any chi due to the fact I used defense apo to get near.

Obviously as OPK said we shouldn't expect to do as well as the r9rr's in rubbish gear, that still doesn't change the fact that the bm class is a difficult class to master, and having to use apo for both chi, and defense just isn't good at all, not when others can get away with just apo for defenses/chi. (Even with the primal update and all the sweet skills they got, getting chi can still be a bit of an issue.)

To make matters worse I played it during a time where purify proc --->HAD <---(keyword here!) erased everything a bm did, and giving how difficult it was to play a bm/maintain chi in mass pvp... it made that proc a insanely annoying thing to deal with/being on a bm quite unbearable hell it still can erase our debuffs <</all of our normal stuns. ;/ - Though forunately there are more and more ways of combating that pesky *** proc these days/there was one way back then, but it was still brutal being on a bm.


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Either way you can either tough it out on your bm or do what a significant number of bms did during that time, and reroll to a different class, fortunately that wasn't too difficult for me, as I had another char/account with similar gear, that I enjoyed much more for nw. (Though it still frustrates me to no end that I left behind my favorite class before nw came out/the proc became mainstream.. hell it still is my favorite class for pve purposes.) Hell I still don't see many bms in nw even these days, but meh, same can be said of veno's/wizards.

eeepsilon wrote: »

Now getting Tokens is one thing but making a nation win is something completely different.

Exactly. And there are even people that don't care about their personal credits but don't care about their nation as well.
People always talk about gears but you could have a full R9.3 squad in your nation that don't care about their nation and the win. In which case it's better to have G16 people instead.
(Not implying gears is not a factor at all though)

Sometimes I dont understand NW mechanics at all.
Exemple: I go in a territory battle., I stay there all the fight, Sometimes i get to kill someone( weaker than me ofcb:chuckle) But at the end I make 100-150 points, sometimes when there are no enemies i end up with lower than 100.
But than I go into another territory, I enter there, after 2-3 seconds get the message: Victory or Defeated and get 300-400 points.
I dont understand why I am getting more points on a territory were I stayed 2-3 seconds than on a territory where i stayed all battle.b:puzzled

PatsyBanger - Archosaur wrote: »

I personally wish they would not allow people to team until after they are in the instance and that would equal out the wars quite a bit.

I doubt that tbh. You will still have the disparity that the distribution system can't take into account. The system just sees gear and distribute accordingly, but in reality they are characters that can be all from 0-interest for the nation (afk-alts) to very helpfull guys with plenty of charger orbs, charms and all that even without being in a team. I would prefer if they did something about afk-alts and multi-client entering rather then disable friends to play together. It's horrible to be in a 30 vs 9, that you actually can win or draw out even though the 9 is a strong team, that ends up to be a 10ish vs 9 because you're with afk alts that just wack the npc.