Is PWI closing down soon?

I don't have much to contribute when it comes to if PWI is closing down soon, but i will share my thoughts...

Every game shuts down eventually and it sucks for everyone that plays the game when it happens. The most we can do is take our experiences with us, and by experiences I don't mean events in game, I mean the people we met and the friends we made. If it shuts down I'll probably use my faction site to grab a few numbers and maybe even start up a new MMO (got one in mind, actually) and continue being friends with anyone interested.

I've spent money on the game before, so I will feel like I lost something from it, but at the same time, I got what I paid for. I've stopped playing PWI on and off for a long time, even played some other PWE titles, but I've always come back because I just find this game to be fun, however anyone I was friends with in year 1 of playing sadly doesn't play anymore and I haven't heard from them since.

I guess what I'm trying to get across is eventually this game will shut down, that's a given, but when it does, suck it up and move on. Take your friends with you to other gaming experiences!

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

That has absolutely nothing to do with the game though. The game is developed by Wanmei in China. PWE is just a publisher.

The fact that the sites, Arc, and our localized management is in such poor shape is entirely on PWE's shoulders. PWE does not make the game. If you want to get really technical, they don't even manage the game servers; they merely provide the hardware.

A lot of folks need to learn to differentiate between PWI, the game, and PWE, the software publisher.

PWE does in fact have full access to update their own website. For instance sparkiesoft has tried multiple times with no avail to resolve the current database issue with our website erasing peoples icon's. He himself has access to this. So it does bring into question who's responsibility is it to actually update our website?

Tiramnia - Sanctuary wrote: »

Okay I want a few things cleared up.

1. Anything in regards to game content not being up to par is PWC AKA Wanmei issue, as in the owners of the game, including servers etc

2. Anything to do with Arc and these forums is PWEs problem.

3. If PWC doesn't give PWE updates and so on and so forth, PWE cant give us updates or content.

It could be a case of PWC not really keeping PWE in the loop and there for WE do not get what we want/should. Think of it like a pyramid and us being at the bottom. You could say that PWE is simply middle ground.

Okay now correct me on where I went wrong here, please and thank you!
This was more just speculation that probably looks like statements because I couldnt be bothered trying to make it all sound like questions...lolololol.

updated

tek1nig wrote: »

updated

Thank you ^.^

Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »

i think the piece of logic people are arguing is that even though you agree to the ToS, that is not protection from illegal actions regarding monetary transactions.

if the conduct of PWE violates those laws, the ToS is invalid in full. whether or not that is the case remains to be proven regardless of the expert testimony of these here forum posters.

Zen purchases, in this case, get around this. Purchases do not state in any way that you are buying the game or online functionality for any amount of time. You purchase Zen and you get it. This is what would have to be violated for consumer action, paying for Zen and not getting it or its functionality as a virtual currency disabled prior to it being consumed. Though, they can just as easily get around this, as Zen is not limited to PWI. It can be transferred to a different game, which would be their stand of it still having a function if the game shut down prior to someone being able to transfer to PWI.
If you were buying online functionality for xx amount of time and the game shut down prior to that time, then maybe you might be able to do something as you did not get what you paid for.
I think Zen purchasing is pretty solid in getting around any violations on the side of PWE.

Game going down I hope not for I like this game very much. Three of my characters are now above level 100 and Sage.

There are friends who do not play any more and I miss them in game and especially in the faction that I am in.

Of my characters they are all my favourites. Mind you I do find the limit of 8 characters not easy to cope with as I wish to have all 12 characters on the account.

Best wishes to all here b:pleased b:pleased b:pleased

sparkiesoft wrote: »

This is what I posted in the maintenance thread.

"I guess I should clarify a bit. There is no plans to kill the game, at least not to my knowledge. What I meant by Demon/Sage skills probably not coming, is that the devs have seem to put less emphasis on fixing things, or bringing in the new things that should have been added in awhile ago. Our QA team has busted their tails off to make sure everything is working on the test environment, but we haven't gotten any updates from China. I hope this issue is fixed within the next week or so, but there's also a few transitions going on here in the office (moving people to new tasks, etc) that will probably take priority over this for the time being.

I hope to have some good news soon, and when I do you will all be the first to know."

So no, the game is not going anywhere. Hope that helps. b:pleased

Hey sparkie got an idea for you. Just like every other game in existance you guys should open up the test servers to a few very experienced pwi oldies to help and speed up the testing process on the beta servers. Every game i've ever played has done with and have alsways been effective. This is a way that the player base can actually help the company for free with their tasks (cause you guys speak money).

sparkiesoft wrote: »

This is what I posted in the maintenance thread.

"I guess I should clarify a bit. There is no plans to kill the game, at least not to my knowledge. What I meant by Demon/Sage skills probably not coming, is that the devs have seem to put less emphasis on fixing things, or bringing in the new things that should have been added in awhile ago. Our QA team has busted their tails off to make sure everything is working on the test environment, but we haven't gotten any updates from China. I hope this issue is fixed within the next week or so, but there's also a few transitions going on here in the office (moving people to new tasks, etc) that will probably take priority over this for the time being.

I hope to have some good news soon, and when I do you will all be the first to know."

So no, the game is not going anywhere. Hope that helps. b:pleased

Thanks for the update Sparkie!!!!

Makes me feel much better, and appreciate you stepping up and letting us know. You rock! b:victory

Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »

i do not know much about all these virtual transactions to oppose your statement but i will say you seem to be speaking from the perspective that PWE's policies are not subject to the idea that a contract is invalid given that it certifies an illegal action. to me it remains to be seen if and how that question would be answered given a complaint.

I did not say that PWE's policies are not subject to contractual ideas. I am saying you, and others, are extending the purchase of Zen beyond what it actually is. You would need actual proof of agreement from PWE that the purchase of Zen enables you a certain allotment of time online in PWI.
Zen purchases do not do this. Zen is not even limited to PWI. It is a virtual currency across all of PWEs game line-up. It's easy to say they violated you and would be subject to legal action when you feel entitled.....but no one has provided the basis for this legal action. No one has paid for the game. No one has paid for online functionality, no one can even find any place where real money purchases are supposedly part of some agreement to keep PWI online functions. Without this, there is no case. No illegal actions have been taken. PWE would hav to violate the terms of a Zen purchase, which would be very hard to do, since even without PWI, Zen retains its function other games. This is why is laughable and ridiculous that anyone would think they could get a refund, let alone sue, for a product they purchased and already consumed, with no agreement of either party that the purchase meant or is involved in any more than that.

Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I did not say that PWE's policies are not subject to contractual ideas. I am saying you, and others, are extending the purchase of Zen beyond what it actually is. You would need actual proof of agreement from PWE that the purchase of Zen enables you a certain allotment of time online in PWI.
Zen purchases do not do this. Zen is not even limited to PWI. It is a virtual currency across all of PWEs game line-up. It's easy to say they violated you and would be subject to legal action when you feel entitled.....but no one has provided the basis for this legal action. No one has paid for the game. No one has paid for online functionality, no one can even find any place where real money purchases are supposedly part of some agreement to keep PWI online functions. Without this, there is no case. No illegal actions have been taken. PWE would hav to violate the terms of a Zen purchase, which would be very hard to do, since even without PWI, Zen retains its function other games. This is why is laughable and ridiculous that anyone would think they could get a refund, let alone sue, for a product they purchased and already consumed, with no agreement of either party that the purchase meant or is involved in any more than that.

Not to mention, that if PWI actually were to shut down, any Zen you had in your balance would just be able to be transferred to a different game. They may even give you a minor gratuity, but they are not required to.

As for what you already spent your hard-earned money for in-game.... you got the pixels, you got to use them. Nothing says they are yours forever.b:chuckle

here it the fees section from Rules of Conduct. read paragraph 24.2




24. Fees

24.1We may charge fees to access and acquire certain game items or participate in game activities through the Service and may allow the purchase of in game “points” that may be applied to the purchase of in game items or activities (“Zen”). After the purchase you will directly have the right to use Zen and be able to it in the way as is stipulated.

24.2ANY APPLICABLE ZEN, FEES AND OTHER CHARGES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND NON REFUNDABLE. ZEN HAVE NO MONETARY VALUE AND CANNOT BE REDEEMED FOR CASH. ZEN AND THE RIGHT TO USE APPLICABLE ZEN ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE, IN WHOLE OR PART. THE RIGHT TO USE ZEN IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE LICENSE TO USE THE SERVICE AND GAME.

24.3You explicitly acknowledge and agree that the a right to use (license) Zen starts from the moment fees have been paid and that you are able from that moment to use Zen for the intended purpose. You explicitly acknowledge and agree that you lose the right to withdraw from the purchase of Zen.

24.4We may, from time to time, modify, amend, or supplement our fees, billing methods and terms applicable to Zen or to any purchases, and post those changes in these Terms, in separate Terms of Sale or in other terms or agreements posted on the Website or Service or otherwise provided to you by us. Such modifications, amendments, supplements or Terms of Sale shall be effective immediately upon posting on the Website or Service and shall be incorporated by reference into these Terms. If any change is unacceptable to you, you may terminate your account at any time.

24.5If you claim a chargeback for any reason, we have the right to investigate and dispute such chargeback. If we believe that your chargeback requirement is spurious, unreasonable, or invalid, we may take the dispute to court. If your chargeback is deemed invalid in court, you agree to pay for all fees and costs resulting from the disputed chargeback, including but not limited to legal fees and expenses, damages, monies lost due to non-operation, and chargeback fees, or if applicable mandatory law dictates otherwise, to the maximum amount permitted.

24.6You may pay for any applicable fees and charges or for Zen by major credit card, PayPal® or other such methods authorized by us.

24.7 We are not liable for “hacking” or lost of your virtual goods from your account, however, we may, in our sole discretion, reimburse virtual goods or Zen upon proof that such loss was not due to your inappropriate use. We may limit the quantity of any item or refuse to provide you with any virtual good. Verification of certain information applicable to a transaction may be required prior to our acceptance of your payment. Price and availability of virtual goods are subject to change with no notice. We have no liability with respect to virtual goods or Zen that is gifted to you or provided as an incentive.

iperen wrote: »

Joe, regardless the fact that your reasoning is more then flawed to start with, do you really think that they would announce shutting down PWI in this way ? Do you think that the CM would be informed more then 5min before he's told to give the official announcement ?

You should refrain from posting such a lacking reasoning though. You better stick with your usual disks, this one topic obviously isn't your genre.

-best kind of correct-

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Joe - Morai wrote: »

Sparkiesoft. Please. Could you clarify this for us? It's not like this isn't important and all. I honestly don't wanna waste another 2 months waiting on updates that'll never come and people surely don't wanna spend loads of money in a game that is long gone. Even tho PWE tends to give back all the Zen spend the last 6 motnhs, you can only spend that on other games and I already mentioned that they are not an option for most people.

When a game is about to close, they try to take a max of money with a lot of sale!! Then they generally close 1-2 months after those sales ( i hope PWI will close soon so i will laugh at all those rich and greedy players that will be NOTHING! )

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=22330631&postcount=69

this

if they will do it like that, i'll go after them to get my 40 pages of transactions back :-)

Any CSer is welcomed to join me just in case... the more we are the stronger it will be in court

This is why i never buy in game stuffs with real life money! So i 'm not sad when the game close (any game will close 1 day) b:laugh