when will it happen sins. pvp

I've seen a single sin take down a well geared barb. Sins are amazing and extremely OP. There's nothing we can do about it, so either roll a sin yourself or find some way to have fun. PWI doesn't give a **** about balance, fairness, or common sense. It's been this way for 4 years. Accept it or quit. Those are our only options unfortunately.

Welcome to PWI. Wait for EQ2 to come out.

PWI is a cash cow, so they cater to the paying customers. Everyone else needs to accept it.

PvP is not the only thing this game has to offer. PvP is **** in this game because every PWE game has always been 100% pay to win. Every game out of China is this way. You need an American or South Korean game developer to make a game that makes sense.

dont forget the cards..... rb2 S cards are not to be trifled with.

This thread again! Just in time for my morning coffee.

Hi, welcome to PWI, take a seat, have a drink and something to eat and enjoy the wild ride of sins are too OP.

The reason?

1. China doesn't have this problem, as they don't have massive amount of R9rr cashers
2. China doesn't give 2 flying ****s about our version and just give us what they have and some stuff to fill PWE's wallet in the mean time (like cashshop R9rr easy modo)

Outstanding defenses? The only "valid" point in there you are making is the ever so grinded MUH TIDAL point. Every class has outstanding defenses, hello primal passives? Name a class that doesn't have outstanding defenses, please.

devapathpain1229 wrote: »

Duskblade have good stunlocks, but they are more on term with bm u ****. As I said it is the damage of sins combined with their ability to stunlock and the many other advantages they have that make them op. Duskblade are weak to me I don't see them being a threat anywhere near as huge as sins even at end game.

Stormbringer are a joke. Yes their damage reduction buff is nice, but that is like having fox form or earth shield. They do not have those. Reaper form is short term and is not constant. They are very squishy and their damage is also nothing comparable to that of a sin.

Sins will remain the most op of the classes as usual. The new classes are a joke to me really.

Stormbringer are a joke? facepalm, facepalm, facepalm.
Ok atm we dont have all skills for stormbringer in the game but still they are the most OP atm.
Blood of the Nightshade

Reduce melee autoattack damage by 65%, melee skills damage by 25%.

-Demon: Increases critical chance by 1%.
-Sage: Reduces melee autoattack damage by 68%, melee skills damage by 26%.
And thats a passive.
Lunar Guidance
All squad members within 16 meters will receive a buff that reduces damage of melee attacks by 22%, lasting 30 minutes. [Generates 1 Ice Charge]

-Demon: Increases your defense level by 15, for 15 seconds.
-Sage: Has a 25% chance to gain 1 spark.

And they have alot of OP skill but the most OP skill atm is:
Electrostatic Discharge:
Deals 20% base magic attack and 624 metal damage for each meter the debuffed target moves, lasting 12 seconds. Being further away from the caster increases the damage, but it will only affect someone who is moving.

-Demon: Duration is increased by 1 second.
-Sage: Cooldown is reduced by 3 seconds.
And if you think that standing in place is a solution better think again. In mass pvp you cannot stand in place while having the flag in NW or pulling catas in TW. And in 1 vs 1 pvp the target that stand still will take dmg from other skills of stormbringer.
Im gonna copy paste a discusion that I had yesterday with Joe from Morai server about this skill so you have an idea how OP is the skill:

Me:In a situation sin vs stormbringer i wonder if the sin will take damage from Electrostatic Discharge if the sin uses shadow jump or shadow teleport while having discharge on him?
For shadow jump skill description have the word '' moving'' in it but I dont know about teleport
Joe:The sin will get dmg. If the debuff is applied then the target gets dmg for any pixel it moves. Why doesn't matter. Gaining hight also counts. so if you stand still just jumping you get dmg. You only prevent dmg if you stay right where you are and no centimeter away.
Me:But wouldnt that mean instant dead for sins? Electrostatic deals dmg for every meter the target moves and those sins skills make them jump 30 and 35m.
If its instant dead discharge is the most OP skill in the game atm.
Joe:I know. Thats why I praised it from the beginning xD

I just tested it with a sin my level. He was unbuffed and got 10k metal def.

My SB has: 23,5k-28k mag attack atm with 101 att lvls and 380 Spirit.

I applied the debuff and he used shadow teleport (35m) and got hit by 9,8k. While he moved in regular speed afterwards he got 4k ticks!

Now imagine double the attack stat, 140 att lvl and 1k spirit.

OP indeed.

PS: Att/Def lvl don't matter...but I wanted to say it anyways. Only attack and spirit matter and metal def ofc.

Edit: Triple sparked (43-51k mattack) he got hit by 17,6k (not full range of shadow teleport tho^^)

If this skill is part of the skills that get their range increased to 42m with the morai skill then say good night during NW while pulling the flag. The sb can just wait in the air for someone to dig the flag, apply the debuff and watch them die as they try to Holy path their way out...xDDD that will be hilarious
b:bye

So... 5 years later, the same thread huh...

ok, my main is a sin, but here's the thing people don't understand... If you know your class you can easily and I mean... EASILY kill a sin.

A sin can stunlock? Sure we can but endgame casters have a proc on their weapon that purifies them, gives them speed and makes them immune to stuns for a little bit... this procs a lot btw (I am guessing the same as zerk, so, 20% of the times). When fighting an endgame caster, elimination, life hunter and cursed jail are a no no... why? Since they hit several times, there's a higher chance it will make their weapon proc and trust me, if their weapon procs on the second hit of cursed jail for example, they will run away and have around 2 secs where you will still be using the skill and not damaging them (just the animation keeps going) making you vulnerable to their attacks.

Tidal is OP? Sure, evades 66% of negative status (if sage) for 30 seconds with a 60 second CD, meaning half the fight you have tidal, half the fight you don't (most sins stealth when they run out of tidal, use a revelation potion, strike when they are vulnerable, not that hard). But if you want to take BP or Tidal from sins then let's see...

- Barbs should lose the ability to invoke, I think it's too OP.
- Clerics should lose Plume shell, way too OP (lasts for 20secs and CD is 30 secs, meaning that they have it on 2/3 of the fight, more time than tidal)
- Mystics should lose their fast heals, their ability to pop sins out of stealth and that bubble skill that protects the whole squad for some time
- Psychics should lose Psychic's will, soul of stunning and white voodoo
- Archers should lose Blessing of the Condor and their leaps (Even though I think archers are the ones that are underpowered the most since their endgame weapon is pretty crappy)
- BMs (the class OP says that has less dmg) should lose Heaven's Flame and Buddha's guard
- Seekers should lose the 30 defense levels, too OP on a HA class, they should lose last stand and radiant sight too
- Venos should lose bramble guard and bramble hood, also amp and purge


This is obviously sarcasm, if you want to look at a class you always think they are OP... Each class has their strong points.

Are Sins OP? Yes. Are sins gamebreaking? **** no.

You are talking about a deity stone sin... Do you have any idea how much that sin spent on those deitys?LOL Of course they make him OP, giving him over 210 attack levels. You also talked about a JOSD psy, he was in black voodoo, if he was full JOSD he would have 48 defense lvls + 25 from r9 + 5 from the r9 ring = 78 defense levels... and then he loses 11 defense lvls from black voodoo.

78-11 = 67 def lvls... and the sin has 210+ attack lvls.

To add to this, maybe the sin has S max cards on spirit, making him a Deity sin with over 1000 spirit, which is, obviously, pretty deadly...

If the psy was smart he would take on such an opponent on WHITE voodoo and change to black whenever he had the chance (for example when the sin went to stealth as tidal runs out, he could change to black fast, use a revelation pot and cast earth vector, maybe try to stun lock him with occult ice and etc...)

This Deity sin you are talking about has at most 30-40 defense lvls, he will drop pretty fast (unless he is smart, has o'malley with him and r8r with def lvls, that's what i switch to when i flee).

Anyway, there are a lot of things you are not considering because you were too focused on the sin only.

BTW, like I said before, my main is a sin, yet I have a psy too (G16+5) and I easily killed a r9rr sin (+7) the other day LOL... Learn your class, sins are easy to kill because they are both predictable and squishy (Yes, even with r9... specially if they are Deity)

sin are only OP if they are end game with all skills +12 refines cashed the hell out.Other than that most are still 1-2 shots and make great NW pointsb:laugh

Depending on your class OP, I'd recommend using genie skills, and apoth.

Sins have long been need of some extensive time with the nerf bat...I can list some more capabilities of sins that you left out.

But, they haven't received that badly needed time with the nerf bat, so what you can do in the meantime is to apoth, and use genie skills.

Stealth detection pots can help too.

I'm not speaking from a R9rr point of view...speaking from a G16 cleric point of view, but most of the average sins aren't uber tough defense-wise. In NW, most of my kills are probably sins...especially aps sins. (They sacrifice defense for attack speed...so if you can blast them...they can't stand long.) Biggest problem is controlling them, and surviving their initial frenzy of attacks...since if they catch you off guard with stealth....you'll be initially on the defensive.

Just my two cents on it.

But yeah...sins are horribly cheap. I absolutely agree with you there.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

45k hp ain't much, and 45k pdef is garbage. A str barb in r9.3 with def passives should be rocking about 70k+ pdef.

And any sin with a str genie can easily drop that 60-50k.

All i hear is the story of a QQers that didn't work on their cards or passives and expects to be in the same league as someone who did. Please provide some evidence for your claims, otherwise we will dismiss them like all the other baseless idiotic assumptions.

You have failed to provide screenshots, video, or any numbers. Why should we take you seriously?

kekeke DD

lvl 10 passives here, lvl 80 inner evil set, demon stone barrier

endgame sin elimination is 6-8k each one of the 4 ticks on my def charms, i have 18k hp :-)

SB will get deleted by sins, they have no p res out of reaper form

bloodedone87 wrote: »

But SB have a passive that reduce the melee auto attack by65% and melee skill dmg by 25%.
And a buff that reduce the melee autoattack by 22%.
And to be deleted by sins they have to stand in one place and let themself catch by sins.
Good SB wont be deleted by sins. Dumb ones yes, they will be obliterated.

melee autoattacks wont affect endgame sage sins thatuse skills,

a 2spark elimination from stealth w\o having a p def self buff is a oneshot for them,

hell i almost get osed with 35k (89% dmg redux) base p res,

an SB will have something like 18-19k (81%) at endgame

thats like half the damage reduction a wizard has at endgame self buffs , add the 22%, yea you are getting 78% more damage respect what the wizard gets, that is pure OBLITERATION

theorically if i am getting 7k elimination ticks, SB will get 13k elimination ticks

Sins are too powerful on retail due to their gear. Everyone's too squishy and dies in 1 stun. Sins are much more balanced when chain stun and amps are necessary.

I don't understand what you just tried to prove...2 classes, same pdef, except one has an extra buff, and the one with an extra buff took less damage...?

A better predictor of how vulnerable SB will be at endgame against surprise sin buttsecks would be how well endgame psychics fare against sins right now.

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

yup thats a correct comparison, endgame psys out of psy will (even on white) are 1shots on self buffs, and struggle a lot on full buffs, i could whitness that many times

also endgame is very much different from "early" game let's call it like that,
and it's all the way around respect what you shown Joe
you can't really bring an argument around 10k resistance values and with an early game assassin damage,
also a debuff on such value will cause a much higher damage increase respect how that debuff will behave @ endgame resistance values

also clerics have plume shell, SB has no kind of physical damage reduction self buff besides the 25% passive that is almost nonsense since all the other classes have more or less buffs comparable to what it could be a 50-60% p damage reduction selfbuffs

trust me, you are hyped now, you will endgame your SB, you will prolly half josd half deity it, then you ll get osed by trinity or preist constantly in any situation, or even you will get osed by my blade tempests (since its ranged skill damage), you will quit and return on your barb xD

Ah we'll see, don't underestimate the passive/buff xD

All I know is that if end-game and in reaper form the SBs will be unkillable from physical dmg. I'm aiming for 25k Pdef selfbuffed on my SB so that should push me to around 55k pdef while being in Reaper-Form xD VS sins it's all about surviving the first elemination. Once that is done sins will have a hard time fighting SBs. Due to their anti-stun sins can hardly catch them w/o any sort of paralyze. Ah we'll see...but as long as PWE/CN doesn't move their butts and give us our r9rr, SBs will be a non-factor (in most cases) obviously.

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

25k self buffed excuse me? xD

i have 20k with an S card as a durability card part of the S set, you will reach 18k with a star's destiny ring and a lvl 80 S card

I'm going 16 garnet gems/8 josd cause I figured I'd need more pdef xDDD Not sure how it'll play out, but I'll go along with that for now. Plus I surely am going full EU-set again on the SB (2 cards down so far) that will give quite some def as well. Maybe I'll just end up at 23k but well that would be ok as well. Not really sure if I need that many josd as my primary targets will be sins with 190 Att lvl+. Kinda useless adding that many josd while fighting them.