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bloodedone87 wrote: »...
There are 2 types of people:
those that will be able to make money in this game no matter what changes.
those that will always complain about not being able to make money to survive.
You missed yet one type of people:
those, who pay for those "those that will be able to make money in this game no matter what changes.", because cash shop items must be bought originally using real money (including gold, which must be bought using zen before it become available at AH).0 -
LOL this thread got pathetic with losers who won't figure out how to play the game. It's fun watching the entitlement class freak out.I **** bigger than you...
Shut up and play the game.....Damn0 -
Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »LOL this thread got pathetic with losers who won't figure out how to play the game. It's fun watching the entitlement class freak out.
IKR.
PWI has brought this awesome instance Quicksand Maze with good gear that can be farmed fast for low lvls but they are just to stupid to see it.
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Welcome to the Mr.AlwaysNegetive (Mosz) and look down on others beacuse u have +10-12 JOSD/Vit/Attackstone shards guy on heaven's tear server...
Even if they have increased the reward from quests when lower lvls/new players come at higher lvl they do much alone and GOOD LUCK finding someone willing to help a lower lvl out if they can't solo a instance.
I made a new char from scratch without using my main char to help anything and i can just say that when i came to like bh39 or higher i had to spend 53mins (Yes i took time from when started to wcing the little i could and ask around in citys) to find 2 people who needed it aswell. Didn't get a single pm who wanted to help me.
I Would guess a new player wouldn't wanna stay around in the game how the game are like now days...
There are loads of people helping out new players, well at least on Morai, i myself have spent the last few days during 2x running TTs for new players in faction and without. Yah i know im prob a minority and lots of people are from the "what's in it for me mentality" but still i dont mind taking an hour or two outta my time to help people out.
Seriously tho if you want better gear then you really need a decent faction who are willing to help, ask if they do TT runs for some mats, run ws for the badges, if u r unseasoned or badly geared ask if you can go spare/duo a pav and learn how ur duo partner defends (good if ur the same class) - get the occasional mold for ur future G16. I spent a few months in TT90 gear because i couldn't get the coin to buy or the help to farm the mats. I joined a new faction and boom within 2 month im fully G16 and can comfortably solo most squad mode TTs.
1-3 squad mode is fairly easy and the mats sell well
Work on ur BS/Tailor, farm the mats to level those up.
Quite frankly the OP is right in a sense if you do the questing then chances are you aint gna retire soon on the proceeds, you really need to get the gear sorted out before your earning power increases sadly.
Do things that can help you make coin, AEU boxes sell well, open them and get books and they can sell better, you dont need awesome gear to run just a decent understandable squad.
I make a few million playing the AH, if u keep an eye on it and buy things when they go cheap, hang on till prices go up and bang a few k/10k/100k on it.
Tokens prices are good just now, buy a few and hold on to them or trade for crab/herb and sell for profit
There are ways to make the money but they all involve work.0 -
I don't think prices will go back up any time soon ICE. However you turn it, PWCN has eliminated one of the easiest pure coin generators (not coin movers like catshops and mat farming, but pure generate-coin-from-nothing generators) from the game. Botting is still viable, but it's income is only a fraction of what it was.
Result: Less coin being pumped into the economy while the demand remains more or less steady.
Result: Coin value goes up relative to gold/items.
Result: Gold prices and item prices drop. Gold is quicker in this due to the AH. Item prices have to follow, but some traders are a bit stubborn and still think you can sell a +10 orb for 100kk when gold is at 3kk and the things are actually on sale in the AH for 25 gold (translating to a ceiling price of 75kk).
Gold is the easiest barometer for the state of the economy. It's gone from 4kk solid for months to 3kk now... not half a month after the botting boon has ended. I expect it to go down further, which will pull token and pack prizes down along with it.
As for current means to generate coin from nothing:
- Jolly Jones. I don't see many people spamming this - probably all the pillbabies skipped right past it. Not wise. At 750K per day it is now a viable coingrinder again, but players consider Jolly tedious.
- Botting with low repair costs. Means you have to kill fast and not get hit much. Means fullmag arcane ideally. I ran some tests with it... a 4 hour botting bout makes about 400 to 700k (tested as partial G16 mystic versus Phoenix Violators). This is excluding potion, mat and jade sale. A melee character like a BM or Sin earns a little less due to repair costs.
- Spamming BH100 with multiple toons. If the reward probabilities on PWDatabase are still accurate, then a BH100 makes on average 650k per run (excluding sale of mirages/subs from trading the nirvana token).
Anyway, if this change forces you from the game, then I'd say nothing of value has been lost. The game changes, but you still have ways to move ahead. Adapt or perish, as the Zerg would say (and Zerglings are jealous at the behaviour shown in that vid Kossy posted on page 1)...I'm so P.R.O... I Press Respawn Often.
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I didnt mean prices for everything as a whole, i was talking more item specifics, like I made a few million buying brothers of fear ws molds for 6m and selling for 7.5m on the AH. I know these things are rare occurences but people do make noob mistakes and miss a 0 or 2 when listing things. I know Morai is by far the most expensive server on game so it means you have to be a bit more enterprising when trying to generate coin.Evryn - Morai wrote: »I don't think prices will go back up any time soon ICE. However you turn it, PWCN has eliminated one of the easiest pure coin generators (not coin movers like catshops and mat farming, but pure generate-coin-from-nothing generators) from the game. Botting is still viable, but it's income is only a fraction of what it was.0 -
We didn't have this problem about dq until auto culti was put in the game.We didn't even have this bad even with the little known illegal bots in the game.Now I see hardly any bots going on where there used to be mass bots like in the water when you spawn in morai.Now those were smart people there,farm mobs that don't attack lol.
Come on PW yeah the game was made in china and china kept the international version different up till now..china keep your trash on your version and keep it off ours.0 -
I don't get it, been playing since 2009 and without cash 5-10% of my coin came from DQ drops. That means DQ is "Not" needed because it is not the only source of income lol. If see another "Well how can i repair my gear QQ" post i will cork ****, ninja flip, kick the moon in half. Not even going to bother explaining ways to get coin it would be a waste honestly. Get out the smart phones and think heck use the smart phone google something if you cant do that >_>b:bye0
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Noone put this question: Sin skill "Spoils of war" is useless now >>> they should make add atleast dq rewards backb:surrender0
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Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »That first link is such a troll. From 2008. LOL I didn't bother with the other 2. Just some comedic passages from 1st link.
That doesn't work anymore.
CTFU
Yea because ya know, them others aint needed!
The first link is old but still has some good advice in it. Like Fly places/use cube to get to Archo. Also the skill part is a good one for lower levels. instead of wasting money and spirit(we all know when u just start out spirit is harder to keep at nice numbers) on less then useful skills, it might be a viable option to put those at level 1 to continue the line of skills and move on. coming back later and maxing them when you have more coin to spare. The other two are more recent, so you should have given them a look.
One way that noone mentioned to get coin yet is Tigers. This is a EASY event every monday, that gives about 1mil coin, not including the possible rewards. Low level players can get celestial insignias which sell for about 45-75k, or socket stones which people do pay for. There are TONS of ways to make coin. For herbs, make the apoth. Dont have a high enough apoth level? No Problem, ask your faction if anyone does. Maybe cut them in on some free apoth if theyll make it for you, then when u have the coin or time, level your apoth up and cut them out.
Also, FSP. Make C packs and sell them. OR make pages, make books and sell them. OR make tradeable coins and sell them.Servers: Archosaur(PvE US West) and Harshlands (PvP US East)
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Im a returning player I havent played in well over a year been doing other games. I will give you my tolerably objective thoughts on the issue after being gone comming back and seeing huge changes that I can not fathom yet.
When and why did PW change like it did it deff did not change for the better.
When PWI first came OL KSing (kill stealing) was a bannable offence. Which was one of the HUGE things they held over most other MMORPGS. Now it is not only sanctioned but ecouraged with the new culti system. HUGE change there. Tried to do spiders up in harsh but you could no longer gather them and half the time if u were not quick enough another person on culti did the major dmg and took your kill and your drops. This ofc was in Nov before the mind boggling drop nerf.
The mind boggling drop nerf was jaw dropping. When I returned in Nov I was prepared to work hard as I always had. I am the one who never hypered never did frost for quick leving it isnt the way I work I enjoy a game when I play and play it completely or dont play at all. If that means grinding a lev so be it no biggie if I dint like smackin on things I would go play a jigsaw puzzle instead lol.
However I found that within the first 4 weeks I was dead broke I mean no mana/repair broke.. The drops were virtualy nonexistant for coin making. Tokens are astornomical to get. I was paying 200k a day for mana/repair. That might not seem like much but when you are at the dead area of 90+ its a HUGE hit.
Ofc there are other ways to make coin so being the stubborn person I am I set about to doing it!
I tried farming heaven/hell for mats to make wine. No one is buying them even though I dropped the prices over 40k lower then anyone else.
SO hit the herbage! I now know what they mean by farming bots o.O when did that happen??? Needless to say the coin was not there either.
Not willing to give in cause im a mean red head!! I decided to make a couple low lev chars becuase I had heard Jolly Jones quests for lower levs made decent coin ( is it me or does anyone else remember a time when you wanted a high lev to support the low lev? How contradictory hahhaha). I made 4 chars in all and leved the between 30 and 60 ( yay for 2xp an a 95 cleric to get er done ) they are nothing fancy jsut enough to accomplish the quests they need to. So far I have made around 700k on all of the chars. Some quests are glitched and will not let me complete for whatever reason. Drives me nutters but hey its only a game they are not worth getting upset over.
I now find I am spending all my time playing the low chars instead of the high so I can get coin hahahaha.
There are more negatives to the extreme now in game but I think I have pointed out enough.
On to the plus side! Yes there is one!!
I LOVE the illusion stone update. Truly!
I love how they gave you a beautiful flyer (barbs have my sympathy though lol) and an amazing array or freebies such as leving a char to 95 instanty to lev 80 gear (not TT but enough to get you going if you are in a decent faction).
I remember being a low lev when PWI first came out and for agesss like 2 or 3 years it was almsot imposs to get nice things without paying for it like fash and mounts so on. However after going through years of anni freebies like mounts and fash on halloween it was kinda lacking. Who needs a 6th mount lol. Its great for low levs though.
I love NW!! I was able to play it for the first and probably last time this weekend it was GREAT! No idea what the hell I was doing but was fun as hell and make me good coin I was thrilled. Unfortunatly I have kids and I do not think they will understand why mom isnt getting up in the am because she needs to make coin hahahhaa.
In the end I have decided if you want to get coin for your high lev u need to reverse your way of game play like PW reversed the game. Drop the high lev once you hit lev 80+ and play several low chars till you can get coin enough for gear and rep. then go for it on the high lev. Yes this will take awhile it might take a LONG while actually lol but if you like the game enough ....
So I guess there are good points and bad points all the way round in the game now. I just find the dissapointments very very dissapointing. Is it worth playing anymore? Yeah I think so...but not as a main game. Not unless you are willing to invest a great deal of your time and or rl money lol but to each thier own and everyone has thier own priorites in thier life.0 -
Right now, the gameplay for the lower levels is greatly improved, especially compared to the first years of PWI.
Last year I started a toon on Morai and I had so many goodies I didn't even know what to do with them. Dreamchaser packs gave me good gear that let me solo a lot of things. I got a lot of free teleport stones to make questing easier/faster. Unique Rewards gave me a bunch of goodies as well, and then we have all those Arc codes so my toon had free charms and event gold to use for whatever I need.I was basically given free gear, teleport stones, daily charms, flyer, fashion, orbs and refine aids to help refine my gear a little etc.
Now we even have the lower levels of Quicksand Maze that give great gear and some of the materials can be obtained from daily quests (or drops from bosses) in BH/FB instances that you'll be running anyway as part of your daily routine.
Quests were also made easier (less kills needed, higher drop rate). JollyJones gave me a good amount of coin. I also botted for EXP while picking up crafting materials I sold to catshops. I could/can make pots with divine quests after BHs and so on. At level 95, the Morai questline gives you free gear that is good for PvE, if you didn't have the opportunity to farm Quicksand Maze or TT at that point.
I think things get harder when you reach level 100 and you're suddenly able to join all those "endgame" instances without being prepared for them, but you can slowly work towards better gear. You can farm the higher grade Morai gear which is really great for PvE. G16 Nirvana is also farm-able.
If you join a good faction or make some good acquaintances that can help you out, you can start farming TT, Warsong etc. along with going to NW if possible to make Raptures/Uncannies either to sell for coin or to save for your gear.
Things just start getting bad when you're considering PvP. You can certainly grab a group of friends that have similar gear and PvP with them, but that does get boring at some point. PvP-level gear will require lots of time or money invested. However, PWI's community is partially at fault too. There are a number of people that rather run things with other R9s only and/or they look down on those with lesser gear. A lot of people don't want to help out unless they can benefit from it in a way or another. Then, there's a lot of people that look down on others for not doing PvP, not being good at PvP etc. which might cause some pressure on others thinking that they have to pursuit the PvP path, I think.
Overall, PWI's not a game I'd recommend to new people but that's mostly because of PWE (and Wanmei's) poor management and the rather bad community at this point. For pure PvE, PWI's still great I think but for PvP, not so much.
Well, there's always the option to go on..those other servers..
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I agree to a point
It stops the botters mass hauling dp's for coins. HOWEVER, why nerf gear prices? I understand doing the one, but not the other. Gear/weapon drops aint that frequent & they pay for repairs so why do both?0 -
For those that think is useless to pick up items on the ground its not.
You can always decompose it and make genie food or other things.0 -
bloodedone87 wrote: »For those that think is useless to pick up items on the ground its not.
You can always decompose it and make genie food or other things.
just dont repair the stuff, its displayed wrong, the repair prices are actually the old values0 -
Falinfy - Heavens Tear wrote: »Im a returning player I havent played in well over a year been doing other games. I will give you my tolerably objective thoughts on the issue after being gone comming back and seeing huge changes that I can not fathom yet.
When and why did PW change like it did it deff did not change for the better.
When PWI first came OL KSing (kill stealing) was a bannable offence. Which was one of the HUGE things they held over most other MMORPGS. Now it is not only sanctioned but ecouraged with the new culti system. HUGE change there. Tried to do spiders up in harsh but you could no longer gather them and half the time if u were not quick enough another person on culti did the major dmg and took your kill and your drops. This ofc was in Nov before the mind boggling drop nerf.
The mind boggling drop nerf was jaw dropping. When I returned in Nov I was prepared to work hard as I always had. I am the one who never hypered never did frost for quick leving it isnt the way I work I enjoy a game when I play and play it completely or dont play at all. If that means grinding a lev so be it no biggie if I dint like smackin on things I would go play a jigsaw puzzle instead lol.
However I found that within the first 4 weeks I was dead broke I mean no mana/repair broke.. The drops were virtualy nonexistant for coin making. Tokens are astornomical to get. I was paying 200k a day for mana/repair. That might not seem like much but when you are at the dead area of 90+ its a HUGE hit.
Ofc there are other ways to make coin so being the stubborn person I am I set about to doing it!
I tried farming heaven/hell for mats to make wine. No one is buying them even though I dropped the prices over 40k lower then anyone else.
SO hit the herbage! I now know what they mean by farming bots o.O when did that happen??? Needless to say the coin was not there either.
Not willing to give in cause im a mean red head!! I decided to make a couple low lev chars becuase I had heard Jolly Jones quests for lower levs made decent coin ( is it me or does anyone else remember a time when you wanted a high lev to support the low lev? How contradictory hahhaha). I made 4 chars in all and leved the between 30 and 60 ( yay for 2xp an a 95 cleric to get er done ) they are nothing fancy jsut enough to accomplish the quests they need to. So far I have made around 700k on all of the chars. Some quests are glitched and will not let me complete for whatever reason. Drives me nutters but hey its only a game they are not worth getting upset over.
I now find I am spending all my time playing the low chars instead of the high so I can get coin hahahaha.
There are more negatives to the extreme now in game but I think I have pointed out enough.
On to the plus side! Yes there is one!!
I LOVE the illusion stone update. Truly!
I love how they gave you a beautiful flyer (barbs have my sympathy though lol) and an amazing array or freebies such as leving a char to 95 instanty to lev 80 gear (not TT but enough to get you going if you are in a decent faction).
I remember being a low lev when PWI first came out and for agesss like 2 or 3 years it was almsot imposs to get nice things without paying for it like fash and mounts so on. However after going through years of anni freebies like mounts and fash on halloween it was kinda lacking. Who needs a 6th mount lol. Its great for low levs though.
I love NW!! I was able to play it for the first and probably last time this weekend it was GREAT! No idea what the hell I was doing but was fun as hell and make me good coin I was thrilled. Unfortunatly I have kids and I do not think they will understand why mom isnt getting up in the am because she needs to make coin hahahhaa.
In the end I have decided if you want to get coin for your high lev u need to reverse your way of game play like PW reversed the game. Drop the high lev once you hit lev 80+ and play several low chars till you can get coin enough for gear and rep. then go for it on the high lev. Yes this will take awhile it might take a LONG while actually lol but if you like the game enough ....
So I guess there are good points and bad points all the way round in the game now. I just find the dissapointments very very dissapointing. Is it worth playing anymore? Yeah I think so...but not as a main game. Not unless you are willing to invest a great deal of your time and or rl money lol but to each thier own and everyone has thier own priorites in thier life.
Just 700k with JOJ chars? Clearly you doing something wrong if starting from november till now you made only 700k with JOJ chars.
Or you made jsut 700k coins on all your chars doing normal quests? Im a little confuse here. Anyway you still doing something wrong.
3 acounts with a jolly char lvl71 on each in a month ( skipping The quests were yu need to kill mobs) you should make around 40milion coins.0 -
Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »just dont repair the stuff, its displayed wrong, the repair prices are actually the old values
And what that has to do with what you just quoted?b:puzzled0 -
bloodedone87 wrote: »And what that has to do with what you just quoted?b:puzzled
everything....its pretty clear
you say: drops arent worthless theyre cheap genie food when decomped
i say: yes they are just dont waste coin repairing the drops because the repair price is displayed wrong and you would end up with pretty expensive chi stones0 -
wow jolly farming..such a great tactic.People need to apply themselves more.0
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really guys? you serious? o.o
you know back in my days when i started playing i was too lazy to pick up anything and managed to repair my gear and gear up and buy **** and have fun and back then coins was way more important than it is now gold was at 200k at expensive days.
now don't tell me you can't make money cos DQ is 1 coin now you can make money you just can't make money botting which why your repair is more than what you gain.
if you do quests it will give you enough coins to boost you with reparis and even buying better gears you just don't want to do you now? you jsut wanna afk all day or sleeping without playing the game and make money.
its funny i never heard of a game give you bot system not bannable that make you make money when you not even playing, i'm sure bot system here wasn't meant for that in first place its just to do your quests or gain some nice exp if you too lazy to even play the game. you know some games even kick you out of the game if you been afk for while so stop complaining about not able to repair cos you not making enough just complain about can't make money while boting and you asleep well you know you not suppose to anyway.
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Notgood - Raging Tide wrote: »really guys? you serious? o.o
you know back in my days when i started playing i was too lazy to pick up anything and managed to repair my gear and gear up and buy **** and have fun and back then coins was way more important than it is now gold was at 200k at expensive days.
now don't tell me you can't make money cos DQ is 1 coin now you can make money you just can't make money botting which why your repair is more than what you gain.
if you do quests it will give you enough coins to boost you with reparis and even buying better gears you just don't want to do you now? you jsut wanna afk all day or sleeping without playing the game and make money.
its funny i never heard of a game give you bot system not bannable that make you make money when you not even playing, i'm sure bot system here wasn't meant for that in first place its just to do your quests or gain some nice exp if you too lazy to even play the game. you know some games even kick you out of the game if you been afk for while so stop complaining about not able to repair cos you not making enough just complain about can't make money while boting and you asleep well you know you not suppose to anyway.
heck you can even just stand outside TT and get 100k for few sec just going in and out helping ppl opening.
Do you still play?
Do you have a low level toon?
Do you not have several other 100+ toons to grind with, just the one you're trying to level?
These are the people having issues with money. They want to do the quests, and play with their friends. They don't want to stand outside TT for a hour waiting for someone to WC for openers (which will go away once 2x goes away). They don't want to try to merch the useless drops they get, or be one of the 300 people trying to merch TT mats. Some of 'em just want to play.
I don't know the answer to the botting problem, but I can see that punishing the botters is hurting the poorer players more. Maybe modify the bot so it can only pick up coins? Return the DQ to its prices? That way you don't end up with a bot full of stacks of DQ, "**** up the economy"?
I guess eliminating that one pull-down option from the bot menu was too difficult.
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Idk, my lvl 5x Stormbringer has already over 2 mil coin without getting anything from my other toons or doing JOJ....
Havent even sold the mats I've picked up.Leader of Cyanure on Valonsurma and a proud member of Vertu
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Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »psst where do you think that coin came from? from peopel botting hardcore- there were plenty of people running multi bots all damn days generating insane amounts of coin therefore driving prices up
Doesnt help when PWI is given both thru ticket and the forums, video proof of someone using a 3rd party bot, and do absolutely nothing about it. The person is still very much active and still very much uses the 3rd party bot across multiple accounts/toons.
Now as for the OP. ya it sucks, but there are other things you can grind to make coin. Will it get you that r9rr set? In about 7 years yes. But not anytime soon. The even nerfed the price of dropped equipment.0
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